Bloody theory its the boring bit.

Just on that subject – I passed the theory and practical over the weekend. It’s only starting to sink in. I’ve been wondering all day why I can’t stop grinning! I actually found the theory pretty easy (mid 90’s) but then I’d put a lot of time into it. I guess that’s the answer – lotsa late nights with the books open in front of you. I got away with nothing on the practical, and that heightens the sense of achievement. — Sam

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snip< Thanks Brian the GFPT is 3 hours how long is the PPL The weight lift thrust is ok its weight and balance pressure height etc. I can fly its just the exams I have 400 hours gliding and about 80 power now. Had thyroid cancer so my memory was stuffed until the Thyroid came out its like night and day now. I have done 4 practice tests so far just passing so far between 75% and 80%. snip

Mal You are on track.  Draw a picture for the pressure and density height questions and you will blitz them.  The human brain does wonders handling calculations supported by a little piccie. All through, use simple checks eg mental arithmetic of rounded out numbers to verify your answers.  Likewise when you move back and forward on T/O & LDG charts look at the effect of the move and check this is what you expect – if H/W is there what do you expect on TOD or LD. And, if it is 32 degrees and a QNH of 999 would you expect the density height to be subterranean or not? W&B and T/O & LDG.  Practice and use a sharp pencil that rubs out easy (HB or F).  Look for the climb weight limitation / prop. Alpha should be a soda, it is real follow the dots stuff but watch out for the scale changes. Bravo & Charlie are just practice.  In all the W&B and T/O & LDG make sure you track the lines properly, usually two answers are given close and you need to be accurate. Know your 1:60 and particularly the return to track.  Draw the pix again. Try and draw roughly to scale, that helps also. This all sounds simplistic but hope it helps. Not sure how long the PPL is, I think about 3. Brian

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bloody theory its the boring bit. Just on that subject – I passed the theory and practical over the weekend. It’s only starting to sink in. I’ve been wondering all day why I can’t stop grinning! I actually found the theory pretty easy (mid 90’s) but then I’d put a lot of time into it. I guess that’s the answer – lotsa late nights with the books open in front of you. I got away with nothing on the practical, and that heightens the sense of achievement. — Sam

Congratulations, well done. Brian

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A friend put me on to the method of taping all the questions to tape and playing them back its really working well I spend a bit of time driving in the car. Friends have given me every book there is Tait, D and H and Trevor Thom I am doing GFPT (BAK) PPL then CPL any other helpful tips. Does anyone have a online test much like the CASA exams. I did my MR licence to drive a bus I found that by using the RTA website questions I got 100% Bloody theory its the boring bit. Mal Mal Don’t know re online test.  As you study the BAK work on understanding the theory behind the learning, not parroting the answers.  Draw plenty of pictures particularly the weight/lift/drag/thrust ones.  Get a balsa wood $2 aircraft and simulate the manoeuvres.  Then, find the issues you still cannot work thru and get on to an instructor to prove them to you (and I have found many who cannot so persevere).  If you don’t get it right for PPL, the CPL will be hard yakka.  When you get to exam time, remember the psychologists deliberately murk the questions to test your comprehension. At exam time, rip thru the 1 pointers you know, then the 2 pointers, then the three pointers.  Stop and work out how many questions left and how much time to run then prioritise your time on getting more points. Brian

Thanks Brian the GFPT is 3 hours how long is the PPL The weight lift thrust is ok its weight and balance pressure height etc. I can fly its just the exams I have 400 hours gliding and about 80 power now. Had thyroid cancer so my memory was stuffed until the Thyroid came out its like night and day now. I have done 4 practice tests so far just passing so far between 75% and 80%.

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A friend put me on to the method of taping all the questions to tape and playing them back its really working well I spend a bit of time driving in the car. Friends have given me every book there is Tait, D and H and Trevor Thom I am doing GFPT (BAK) PPL then CPL any other helpful tips. Does anyone have a online test much like the CASA exams. I did my MR licence to drive a bus I found that by using the RTA website questions I got 100% Bloody theory its the boring bit. Mal

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -A friend put me on to the method of taping all the questions to tape and playing them back its really working well I spend a bit of time driving in the car. Friends have given me every book there is Tait, D and H and Trevor Thom I am doing GFPT (BAK) PPL then CPL any other helpful tips. Does anyone have a online test much like the CASA exams. I did my MR licence to drive a bus I found that by using the RTA website questions I got 100% Bloody theory its the boring bit. Mal

Mal Don’t know re online test.  As you study the BAK work on understanding the theory behind the learning, not parroting the answers.  Draw plenty of pictures particularly the weight/lift/drag/thrust ones.  Get a balsa wood $2 aircraft and simulate the manoeuvres.  Then, find the issues you still cannot work thru and get on to an instructor to prove them to you (and I have found many who cannot so persevere).  If you don’t get it right for PPL, the CPL will be hard yakka.  When you get to exam time, remember the psychologists deliberately murk the questions to test your comprehension. At exam time, rip thru the 1 pointers you know, then the 2 pointers, then the three pointers.  Stop and work out how many questions left and how much time to run then prioritise your time on getting more points. Brian

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi ((((((((((((ASAPM))))))))))))))))) It’s jut me, the slackster!  Been busy with my dog, and then my computer got sick over the weekend when I planned to poke my nose in here and catch up. How are all of you?  I hope all is well in your lives!!! I’ve been having lots of breakthrough anxiety.  I don’t know if I should up the Lexapro, or keep taking Ativan and wait it out.  I know my doc doesn’t want me to risk side effects with the Lexapro, because he’s been through about all med options with me!  I know the added stress in my life isn’t helping my condition. Beezy is doing pretty well.  She’s on her prednisone now and starting to come back.  She’s still not quite herself, but she’s been a very sick little dog. My mother started radiation and it’s making her quite tired.  They also found nodules and a mass INSIDE her thyroid, and a nodule on her lung…things don’t look good. I thank you all for your support through these trying months.  You are such a great group of people…and I can’t tell you how much you mean to me! (((((((((((((Moderators)))))))))))))))  Thank you for keeping this a safe haven for us!!! Much love, Gigglz

Good to see you Gigz! I’ve been keeping Beezy in my thoughts and I will now add your Mother to them! I will also add a thought of you. My brain is now all used up! Take good care of you Gigz. You’re a special person! Love from Caz x —   Group info and charter at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Always in my thoughts Giggz. Sorry you’ve been having such tough times. Great news about Beezy. I didn’t know about your mother, I will keep her in my prayers. I’m doing really well and went to work on a sunny day without any anxiety, a huge achievement for me. Vanessa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi ((((((((((((ASAPM))))))))))))))))) It’s jut me, the slackster!  Been busy with my dog, and then my computer got sick over the weekend when I planned to poke my nose in here and catch up. How are all of you?  I hope all is well in your lives!!! I’ve been having lots of breakthrough anxiety.  I don’t know if I should up the Lexapro, or keep taking Ativan and wait it out.  I know my doc doesn’t want me to risk side effects with the Lexapro, because he’s been through about all med options with me!  I know the added stress in my life isn’t helping my condition. Beezy is doing pretty well.  She’s on her prednisone now and starting to come back.  She’s still not quite herself, but she’s been a very sick little dog. My mother started radiation and it’s making her quite tired.  They also found nodules and a mass INSIDE her thyroid, and a nodule on her lung…things don’t look good. I thank you all for your support through these trying months.  You are such a great group of people…and I can’t tell you how much you mean to me! (((((((((((((Moderators)))))))))))))))  Thank you for keeping this a safe haven for us!!! Much love, Gigglz — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hello all, I have posted here before. I have been having some weird sleep related breathing issues, among other problems. I have thyroid cancer for which I am being treated. My thyroid levels are where my docs want them to be- besides this problem occurs whether I am hyper, hypo or normal. i had a sleep study done- both night and day time. These are the results: 1. I just had 4 apneas for the entire night! 2. I apparently had periods of fast breathing when I was asleep but it did not wake me up 3. During the daytime naps- I had fast breathing during sleep onset 4. My O2 saturation did not go below 98% for the entire night. The doctor said I had "respiratory instability" and she has no idea what is causing this- instead chosing to concentrate on the fact that I fell asleep in 30 seconds to 1.5 mts on every nap. BUT I did not have ANY REM sleep in the naps. Can any of you think of what could be causing this respiratory instability ? I dont know if this is of any relevance, but my CO2 in blood (not aterial blood gas) has increased to 33 from 26 (normal range being 26-30 and 26-32 in some cases) in the past few months, since my breathing sleep weirdness started. I am also EXTREMELY  fatigued and have heavy breathing with very little exertion. Thanks Anita

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Anita, is there any chance that you have some form of atrial fibrillation? I have it, but not very badly. Those that have it more severly often complain of fatigue with very little exertion. A-fib is an irregular heart beat that takes many different forms in different people – anything from fast heart rate to skipped beats and extra beats. It can be difficult to detect on an EKG, because for most of us sufferers, it is not always happening. Your fast breathing and fatigue might be an indicator. (I don’t know.) Maybe you could ask your doctor to have a cardiologist read your EKG from your sleep tests. We have a forum on Yahoo; just lookup Atrial Fibrilation or Afib or A-fib. Chuck

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I am at a loss to what the problem could be… If this is an HIV/AIDS-related question, it is probably the anti-retrovirals you’re taking.  Your doctor SHOULD know that already! If it isn’t HIV-AIDS-related, you might be better off asking in sci.med, or sci.med.cardiology. Could be nothing except genetics.

I thought I had heard that a side-effect of the various AIDS drugs was EXTREMELY high cholesterol, and I would assume high triglycerides as well.  One report I read said they took blood from such an AIDS patient and it came out milky white as it had so much cholesterol in it.  This does not happen to everyone though.  My brother has been on the drugs 8 years and AFAIK his cholesterol is relatively normal.  I don’t have AIDS but my cholesterol and triglycerides are very high (from both diet and genetics).

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Thanks, Mr. Mailman.  My head wasn’t in the right place, I thought aids=medicinal aids, not AIDS=AutoImmunoDeficincy Syndrome.  Didn’t know where else to post.  Sorry.

Eh, not a biggie. As George says, try carnitine or high-dose niacin.  But do consult with a health professional before embarking on that. Speaking of which, George is also right about getting diagnoses from strangers on the ‘Net.  You might want to consider a second opinion or a referral to a cardiologist as well as nutritionist/dietician. B/

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I received my results from my cholesterol panel: HDL is 22 LDL is unknown TRIGLYCERIDES 1,165 My doc said that the triglyceride levels are so high, that it obscured my LDL reading.  She has prescribed to me "Tricor." I am a non steroid using body builder and jogger/runner.  I run two miles every other day and weight lift six days a week.  I do not use supplements, except a store bought multivitamin.  I am 31 years old Hispanic male, weigh 235 lbs at 5′8", but my body fat is approximately 11-12%, which I had measured through hydrostatic weighing.  I have been exercising since I was 14 years old. There is a history of diabetes type 1 on my maternal side and a history of thyroid cancer on my fathers side. I am at a loss to what the problem could be and my doctor just wants me to take the prescription medicine but doesn’t have an answer to what is causing this.  Is there anyone out there with a suggestion on possible causes, any specialists I should see or any other tests I should take?

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Thanks, Mr. Mailman.  My head wasn’t in the right place, I thought aids=medicinal aids, not AIDS=AutoImmunoDeficincy Syndrome.  Didn’t know where else to post.  Sorry.

It’s OK. People make that error all the time…. One thing you might try is getting a prescription for Carnitor, which is the amino acid, carnitine. It may help bring down the TGs. Of course, it is essential to have a more complete profile that may help get at why the TGs were so high!! HIV or no, you cannot get that kind of insight from the internet–only a good physician can.                 George M. Carter ]*** CATIE News 31 July 2001 <boldCarnitine for high triglycerides</bold Carnitine is an amino acid that is used to help move fatty substances to places inside cells where they can be burnt to release energy. The parts of a cell where this energy release takes place are called mitochondria. Carnitine can also act as an antioxidant and appears to play a role in maintaining the health of nerves and protecting the liver and kidneys from the toxicity of drugs. Carnitine exists in several forms; the two most commonly used are L-carnitine and L-acetyl-carnitine. A number of studies have found that people with HIV/AIDS (PHAs) may have less-than-normal levels of carnitine. Signs/symptoms of carnitine deficiency include the following:         higher-than-normal levels of triglycerides         weak and/or tired muscles As some PHAs can develop high triglyceride (TG) levels in their blood – whether or not they are taking anti-HIV drugs – research teams in Montreal and Rome have found that supplements of this nutrient may be helpful for PHAs. The Montreal team recently conducted a small study to observe the effect of carnitine supplements on high TG levels in people with HIV. Study details Researchers enrolled 16 adult subjects who had the following profile at the start of the study:         1 female, 15 male         average age – 43 years         all but one were using protease inhibitors         average viral load – 2,500 copies         average CD4+ count – 218 cells         average TG level – 5.67 mmol/Litre (normal range 0.5 to 2)         average cholesterol – 5.6 mmol/Litre (normal range 2 to 5.2)         average glucose – 5.3 mmol/Litre (normal range 3.6 to 6.1) Subjects received 3 grams of L-carnitine daily for an average of nine months. Results One month after entering the study TG levels had decreased by an average of 39% – a significant decrease from their pre- study levels. This decrease was maintained throughout the study. According to the researchers, "near-normal TG levels (3 mmol/Litre or lower)" were seen in 54% of subjects after two months of L-carnitine use, and in 69% of subjects after their last lab test. There were no significant changes in cholesterol or glucose levels during the study. No serious side effects from L-carnitine were reported and, at a dose of 3 grams/day, L-carnitine appears to be relatively safe. The results of this pilot study will be used to plan a larger more complex trial. Carnitine is sold in North America as the prescription drug Carnitor. L-carnitine and L-acetyl-carnitine are also available from some health food stores, particularly in the United States.<smaller REFERENCES 1. Loignon M and Toma E. L-carnitine for the treatment of highly active antiretroviral therapy-related hypertriglyceridemia in HIV-infected adults. AIDS 2001;15(9):1194-1195 2. Famularo G and De Simone C. Carnitine stands on its own in HIV infection treatment. Archives of Internal Medicine 1999;159:1143-1144. 3. Famularo G. Alternative strategies other than growth hormone for the treatment of immune diseases. Trends in Immunology 2001;22(1):14-15. 4. Bohan TP, Helton E, McDonald I, et al. Effect of L-carnitine treatment for valproate-induced hepatotoxicity. Neurology 2001;56:1405-1409. 5. Myers CD. Carnitine – updated. 1998 available at: http://www.catie.ca/myers.nsf. Last accessed on 27 July, 2001. *** Clin Ther. 2003 May;25(5):1429-39.  Related Articles, Links   The effect of L-carnitine on plasma lipoprotein(a) levels in hypercholesterolemic patients with type 2 diabetes mellitus. Derosa G, Cicero AF, Gaddi A, Mugellini A, Ciccarelli L, Fogari R. Department of Internal Medicine and Therapeutics, University of Pavia, BACKGROUND: A previous study has demonstrated that L-carnitine reduces plasma lipoprotein(a) (Lp[a]) levels in patients with hypercholesterolemia. OBJECTIVE: To test a tolerable Lp(a)-reducing agent in diabetic patients, we assessed the effect of a dietary supplementation of L-carnitine on plasma lipid levels, particularly Lp(a), of patients with type 2 diabetes mellitus (DM) and hypercholesterolemia. METHODS: In this 6-month, randomized, double-masked, placebo-controlled clinical trial, patients were enrolled, assessed, and followed up at the Diabetic and Metabolic Diseases Center of the Department of Internal Medicine and Therapeutics at the University of Pavia, Pavia, Italy. All study patients had newly diagnosed type 2 DM that was managed through dietary restriction alone throughout the study, as well as hypercholesterolemia. Patients were randomized to 1 of 2 groups. One group received L-carnitine, one 1-g tablet BID. The other group received a corresponding placebo. We assessed body mass index, fasting plasma glucose, postprandial plasma glucose, glycosylated hemoglobin, fasting plasma insulin, total cholesterol, low-density lipoprotein cholesterol, high-density lipoprotein cholesterol, triglycerides, apolipoprotein (apo) A-I, apo B, and Lp(a) at baseline and at 1, 3, and 6 months of treatment. RESULTS: This study included 94 patients. The treatment group included 24 men and 22 women (mean [SD] age, 52 [6] years). The placebo group included 23 men and 25 women (mean [SD] age, 50 [7] years). The baseline characteristics of the groups did not differ significantly. The mean (SD) body weight, height, and body mass index were 78.2 (5.8) kg, 1.70 (0.04) m, and 27.3 (2.5) kg/m(2), respectively, in the L-carnitine group and 77.6 (6.4) kg, 1.71 (0.05) m, and 26.8 (2.2) kg/m(2), respectively, in the placebo group. In the treatment group, Lp(a) was significantly reduced at 3 and 6 months compared with baseline (P < 0.05) and P < 0.01, respectively). We observed a significant improvement after 6 months (P < 0.05) in the Lp(a) value in patients taking L-carnitine compared with those taking placebo. Between-group differences in other variables did not reach a level of significance at months 3 and 6. No drug-related adverse events were reported or observed. CONCLUSION: In this preliminary study, after 3 and 6 months, L-carnitine significantly lowered the plasma Lp(a) level compared with placebo in selected hypercholesterolemic patients with newly diagnosed type 2 DM.

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I am at a loss to what the problem could be…

If this is an HIV/AIDS-related question, it is probably the anti-retrovirals you’re taking.  Your doctor SHOULD know that already! If it isn’t HIV-AIDS-related, you might be better off asking in sci.med, or sci.med.cardiology. Could be nothing except genetics. B/

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Thanks, Mr. Mailman.  My head wasn’t in the right place, I thought aids=medicinal aids, not AIDS=AutoImmunoDeficincy Syndrome.  Didn’t know where else to post.  Sorry.

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I’m an author writing a humorous, informative book on American healthcare.  I’m working on a chapter entitled "100 Things You Need To Know", designed to give readers/healthcare consumers 10 pieces of useful (or funny) information in each of 10 categories:  doctors, nurses, hospitals, lawyers, insurance companies, medical bills, entrepreneurs, prescriptions, medical devices and the healthcare industry in general.  Would welcome your suggestions, contributions and anecdotes in any of these categories.  Any contributions used will be acknowledged in the book.  Thanks very much. Timothy Charles Smith

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I’m an author writing a humorous, informative book on American healthcare. Diabetes isn’t funny, it’s a Killer.  Not much to laugh at.

        Geez, don’t be such a grouch.  THere’s something funny in everything. Ever hear of gallows humor?                                         E

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m an author writing a humorous, informative book on American healthcare. Diabetes isn’t funny, it’s a Killer.  Not much to laugh at.     Geez, don’t be such a grouch.  THere’s something funny in everything. Ever hear of gallows humor?

Heh. An acquaintance of mine, facing serious open heart surgery, was asked by me how he felt about black humor. Since he’d been making bad jokes himself, and said he didn’t mind such humor, I pointed out he had nothing to worry about unless the surgeon showed up with a dish of melted butter, because they were gonna crack him like a lobster. The look was *prize*. Weeks of steeling up, serious "focus" development, etc., all shot to hell in seconds. Then I said "welcome to my life", mentioned I’d been facing this kind of thing since before I was 10, and bought him another beer…

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This isn’t related to diabetes…. but when I was treated for thyroid cancer, and to a lesser extent when I have my checkup scans, I was a walking "dirty bomb". Thycans really do joke about "glowing in the dark". bj

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you have any cites for this? Something I could read? Google alt.support.diabetes for the topic. Alt.support.diabetes is as good as a cite in Misc.health.diabetes, that is to say worthless. I would appreciate a controlled medical study. It’s there.  Just google for it.  I’m not going to do your homework for you. What a fucking winner you are. YOU come and ask a question EXPECTING someone to help YOU, but YOU won’t do anything to help US help you. Why not just eat like a pig and get the doc to scrip you something when you weigh half a ton with BG’s through the roof?

I didn’t ask any question.  Sounds like you’re confusing me with the OP.   I merely added my own experience to the converstion in the thread.   My suggestion to you is to get some help with anger management. Priscilla — Did you know that green beans are the new noodles?

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Do you have any cites for this? Something I could read? Google alt.support.diabetes for the topic. Alt.support.diabetes is as good as a cite in Misc.health.diabetes, that is to say worthless. I would appreciate a controlled medical study. It’s there.  Just google for it.  I’m not going to do your homework for you.

What a fucking winner you are. YOU come and ask a question EXPECTING someone to help YOU, but YOU won’t do anything to help US help you. Why not just eat like a pig and get the doc to scrip you something when you weigh half a ton with BG’s through the roof? My second comment is that I made a deal with my doctor when I first went to him (I was on Rezulin and then Actos) that is I could maintain low BGs I could get away from medicine. I maintain them with diet and exercise not and am happy to have one less medicine to hurt my system. The side effects of the meds are real and documented in studies. OK.  Good luck.  Personally, I’d rather not have a heart attack.

No, you’d obviously rather eat your way through Wal-Marts and gobble down meds to allow it. Enjoy it while it lasts. Beav

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Also, if my doctor ever told me that I could get control with diet alone, I’d look for another doctor. My internist won’t let me have metformin because I’ve got down to such good numbers with diet (and a little exercise) alone.  That’s why I’ve now got an appointment with a diabetologist and am looking for a new internist. I’m a little intrigued Priscilla. Do you WANT to take meds in favour of NOT? Seems a little odd to me that you’re looking for a new diabetologist/specialist/endoist who’ll hand you meds when your numbers are "so good" that your current guy doesn’t think meds are necessary. What are they btw? Yeah, I want meds.  I want them to counter the insulin resistence which may be attacking my arteries despite how tight I keep my numbers controlled. But if your numbers are Ok, why should the resistance be causing artery problems? It seems to me the resisitance isn’t so great that the resistance itself should cause a problem. Maybe it’s just me, but I can’t fathom anyone who actually WANTS to take meds.

But IR does damage your arteries, regardless of BG control.  I can’t explain the motivation, and it may seem to you that it doesn’t make sense, but it’s true. Priscilla

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Also, if my doctor ever told me that I could get control with diet alone, I’d look for another doctor. My internist won’t let me have metformin because I’ve got down to such good numbers with diet (and a little exercise) alone.  That’s why I’ve now got an appointment with a diabetologist and am looking for a new internist. I’m a little intrigued Priscilla. Do you WANT to take meds in favour of NOT? Seems a little odd to me that you’re looking for a new diabetologist/specialist/endoist who’ll hand you meds when your numbers are "so good" that your current guy doesn’t think meds are necessary. What are they btw? Yeah, I want meds.  I want them to counter the insulin resistence which may be attacking my arteries despite how tight I keep my numbers controlled. But if your numbers are Ok, why should the resistance be causing artery problems? It seems to me the resisitance isn’t so great that the resistance itself should cause a problem. Maybe it’s just me, but I can’t fathom anyone who actually WANTS to take meds. But IR does damage your arteries, regardless of BG control.

Ok, let’s eximine that a bit more closely. If resistance does damage your arteries, but YOUR resistance is such that healthy eating reduces it to the point where your BG is fine, where’s the problem? I rather believe that it’s the high levels of sugar in your blood which causes the damage. However….. I could be wrong, although it’s the first time I’ve ever heard of it.  I can’t explain the motivation, and it may seem to you that it doesn’t make sense, but it’s true.

Do you have any cites for this? Something I could read? I worry that IF you get on meds to address your resistance, you’re going to run into the problem of having hypo’s, or you’re going to ignore the healthy eating and suffer the consequences. Beav

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Also, if my doctor ever told me that I could get control with diet alone, I’d look for another doctor. My internist won’t let me have metformin because I’ve got down to such good numbers with diet (and a little exercise) alone.  That’s why I’ve now got an appointment with a diabetologist and am looking for a new internist. I’m a little intrigued Priscilla. Do you WANT to take meds in favour of NOT? Seems a little odd to me that you’re looking for a new diabetologist/specialist/endoist who’ll hand you meds when your numbers are "so good" that your current guy doesn’t think meds are necessary. What are they btw? Yeah, I want meds.  I want them to counter the insulin resistence which may be attacking my arteries despite how tight I keep my numbers controlled. But if your numbers are Ok, why should the resistance be causing artery problems? It seems to me the resisitance isn’t so great that the resistance itself should cause a problem. Maybe it’s just me, but I can’t fathom anyone who actually WANTS to take meds. But IR does damage your arteries, regardless of BG control. Ok, let’s eximine that a bit more closely. If resistance does damage your arteries, but YOUR resistance is such that healthy eating reduces it to the point where your BG is fine, where’s the problem?

Low carbing does not affect my insulin resistence.  I remain just as resistent, I’m just requiring less insulin, so the resistence is noticed yet. I rather believe that it’s the high levels of sugar in your blood which causes the damage. However….. I could be wrong, although it’s the first time I’ve ever heard of it.

I imagine a google would set you straight. I can’t explain the motivation, and it may seem to you that it doesn’t make sense, but it’s true. Do you have any cites for this? Something I could read?

Google alt.support.diabetes for the topic.   I worry that IF you get on meds to address your resistance, you’re going to run into the problem of having hypo’s, or you’re going to ignore the healthy eating and suffer the consequences.

Metformin does not generally cause hypos, nor does Starlix.  These are the meds I’m requesting. Priscilla

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Starlix and Prandin are in the same class of drugs and they both can definately cause hypos.  I’ve gone as low as 40 when taking it.  I usually only use it at breakfast now because that’s when I handle carbs the poorest. I will also take it when I go out to eat. No, Starlix is not in the same class of drugs as Prandin.  It’s in an entirely different category. Check out Rick Mendosa’s piece on it at http://www.mendosa.com/starlix.htm There’s only a low occurrence of mild hypoglycemia with it because it appears to sense when insulin is no longer needed and stop the production.

"Low occurence of hypo" "Appears" to sense? That FILLS me with confidence. Beav

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Why? I had good control with dietandexercise within weeks of diagnosis, and am happy to keep it that way. The only thing that might interest me about taking meds is metformin for heart protection and an occasional Starlix/Prandin for special occasions. But on the whole I’d rather avoid meds if I can; they do have their own set of side effects/problems/timing/etc which need to be considered — in _addition to_ the d&e I’m already doing! bj – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Also, if my doctor ever told me that I could get control with diet alone, I’d look for another doctor. My internist won’t let me have metformin because I’ve got down to such good numbers with diet (and a little exercise) alone.  That’s why I’ve now got an appointment with a diabetologist and am looking for a new internist. Priscilla

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Starlix and Prandin are in the same class of drugs and they both can definately cause hypos.  I’ve gone as low as 40 when taking it.  I usually only use it at breakfast now because that’s when I handle carbs the poorest. I will also take it when I go out to eat.

No, Starlix is not in the same class of drugs as Prandin.  It’s in an entirely different category. Check out Rick Mendosa’s piece on it at http://www.mendosa.com/starlix.htm   There’s only a low occurrence of mild hypoglycemia with it because it appears to sense when insulin is no longer needed and stop the production. Priscilla

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Do you have any cites for this? Something I could read? Google alt.support.diabetes for the topic.  

Alt.support.diabetes is as good as a cite in Misc.health.diabetes, that is to say worthless. I would appreciate a controlled medical study. My second comment is that I made a deal with my doctor when I first went to him (I was on Rezulin and then Actos) that is I could maintain low BGs I could get away from medicine. I maintain them with diet and exercise not and am happy to have one less medicine to hurt my system. The side effects of the meds are real and documented in studies. — See ya, –Ray B.      Live near Des Moines, IA, USA

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Do you have any cites for this? Something I could read? Google alt.support.diabetes for the topic.   Alt.support.diabetes is as good as a cite in Misc.health.diabetes, that is to say worthless. I would appreciate a controlled medical study.

It’s there.  Just google for it.  I’m not going to do your homework for you. My second comment is that I made a deal with my doctor when I first went to him (I was on Rezulin and then Actos) that is I could maintain low BGs I could get away from medicine. I maintain them with diet and exercise not and am happy to have one less medicine to hurt my system. The side effects of the meds are real and documented in studies.

OK.  Good luck.  Personally, I’d rather not have a heart attack. Priscilla — Did you know that green beans are the new noodles?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But IR does damage your arteries, regardless of BG control. Ok, let’s eximine that a bit more closely. If resistance does damage your arteries, but YOUR resistance is such that healthy eating reduces it to the point where your BG is fine, where’s the problem? Low carbing does not affect my insulin resistence.  I remain just as resistent, I’m just requiring less insulin, so the resistence is noticed yet. I rather believe that it’s the high levels of sugar in your blood which causes the damage. However….. I could be wrong, although it’s the first time I’ve ever heard of it. I imagine a google would set you straight.

I imagine it wouls, but I also imagined that you, being in full possesion of the facts, could point me to where YOU discovered this fact. Seems like I was wrong. I can’t explain the motivation, and it may seem to you that it doesn’t make sense, but it’s true. Do you have any cites for this? Something I could read? Google alt.support.diabetes for the topic.

I don’t want another NG discussion where anecdotes are the norm, I want something concrete. I worry that IF you get on meds to address your resistance, you’re going to run into the problem of having hypo’s, or you’re going to ignore the healthy eating and suffer the consequences. Metformin does not generally cause hypos, nor does Starlix.  These are the meds I’m requesting.

Metofrmin interferes with digestion so food isn’t absorbed probery (efficently), and it stops the liver from dumping sugar when your BG drops too low. That’s a hypo from where I’m sitting. Beav

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Low carbing does not affect my insulin resistence.  I remain just as resistent, I’m just requiring less insulin, so the resistence is noticed yet.

Make that "less." Priscilla

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Starlix and Prandin are in the same class of drugs and they both can definately cause hypos.  I’ve gone as low as 40 when taking it.  I usually only use it at breakfast now because that’s when I handle carbs the poorest. I will also take it when I go out to eat. c – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Also, if my doctor ever told me that I could get control with diet alone, I’d look for another doctor. My internist won’t let me have metformin because I’ve got down to such good numbers with diet (and a little exercise) alone.  That’s why I’ve now got an appointment with a diabetologist and am looking for a new internist. I’m a little intrigued Priscilla. Do you WANT to take meds in favour of NOT? Seems a little odd to me that you’re looking for a new diabetologist/specialist/endoist who’ll hand you meds when your numbers are "so good" that your current guy doesn’t think meds are necessary. What are they btw? Yeah, I want meds.  I want them to counter the insulin resistence which may be attacking my arteries despite how tight I keep my numbers controlled. But if your numbers are Ok, why should the resistance be causing artery problems? It seems to me the resisitance isn’t so great that the resistance itself should cause a problem. Maybe it’s just me, but I can’t fathom anyone who actually WANTS to take meds. But IR does damage your arteries, regardless of BG control. Ok, let’s eximine that a bit more closely. If resistance does damage your arteries, but YOUR resistance is such that healthy eating reduces it to the point where your BG is fine, where’s the problem? Low carbing does not affect my insulin resistence.  I remain just as resistent, I’m just requiring less insulin, so the resistence is noticed yet. I rather believe that it’s the high levels of sugar in your blood which causes the damage. However….. I could be wrong, although it’s the first time I’ve ever heard of it. I imagine a google would set you straight. I can’t explain the motivation, and it may seem to you that it doesn’t make sense, but it’s true. Do you have any cites for this? Something I could read? Google alt.support.diabetes for the topic. I worry that IF you get on meds to address your resistance, you’re going to run into the problem of having hypo’s, or you’re going to ignore the healthy eating and suffer the consequences. Metformin does not generally cause hypos, nor does Starlix.  These are the meds I’m requesting. Priscilla

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Also, if my doctor ever told me that I could get control with diet alone, I’d look for another doctor. My internist won’t let me have metformin because I’ve got down to such good numbers with diet (and a little exercise) alone.  That’s why I’ve now got an appointment with a diabetologist and am looking for a new internist. I’m a little intrigued Priscilla. Do you WANT to take meds in favour of NOT? Seems a little odd to me that you’re looking for a new diabetologist/specialist/endoist who’ll hand you meds when your numbers are "so good" that your current guy doesn’t think meds are necessary. What are they btw?

Yeah, I want meds.  I want them to counter the insulin resistence which may be attacking my arteries despite how tight I keep my numbers controlled.  And I want them so I can occasionally relax my control. My last A1c was 5.6, with a fasting BG of 105.  That’s the entirety of the information she had, along with a letter spelling out exactly why I wanted to try metformin and a small number of Starlix a month.  Nope.  My numbers are excellent, so I don’t need them.  End of story.  Totally dismissed my concern about the effects of insulin resistence and my stated need for some more wiggle room in my diet.  Nope.  Gotta suck it up.  No meds for me!  Bah.  She’s fired. Priscilla

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Why? I had good control with dietandexercise within weeks of diagnosis, and am happy to keep it that way. The only thing that might interest me about taking meds is metformin for heart protection and an occasional Starlix/Prandin for special occasions.

That’s what I want.  If insulin resistence is going to damage my arteries no matter how tight my BG control is, I want to fight that insulin resistence.  I am being forbidden to even SEE if metformin agrees with me.   Not acceptable. But on the whole I’d rather avoid meds if I can; they do have their own set of side effects/problems/timing/etc which need to be considered — in _addition to_ the d&e I’m already doing!

OK, but to not be allowed to even try them?   Priscilla

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I see what you mean. And IMO you ought to have the choice to try. I was even thinking about asking my endo about this — but he’s leaving town (BIG sob from numerous of his thyca patients!). He was only incidentally "treating" my diabetes (write strip scrips, add blood tests when I went in for thyroid tests) but is in tune with my "obsession" about lotsa testing. I’ll have to see how my new endo turns out on this (I’ll stay where I am for thyca followup — if you think it’s hard finding an endo for dm, try finding one who knows what s/he’s doing about thyroid cancer!). And I’m pretty sure my internist wouldn’t understand my thinking on this at all, given her bafflement about how much I (want to) test. She’d just tell me to run the idea by my endo, as she did about increasing my test strips. Meanwhile, it is nice to know that I *can* control at least my bg with d&e only. Good luck to both of us! bj – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …. But on the whole I’d rather avoid meds if I can; they do have their own set of side effects/problems/timing/etc which need to be considered — in _addition to_ the d&e I’m already doing! OK, but to not be allowed to even try them? Priscilla

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Also, if my doctor ever told me that I could get control with diet alone, I’d look for another doctor. My internist won’t let me have metformin because I’ve got down to such good numbers with diet (and a little exercise) alone.  That’s why I’ve now got an appointment with a diabetologist and am looking for a new internist. I’m a little intrigued Priscilla. Do you WANT to take meds in favour of NOT? Seems a little odd to me that you’re looking for a new diabetologist/specialist/endoist who’ll hand you meds when your numbers are "so good" that your current guy doesn’t think meds are necessary. What are they btw? Yeah, I want meds.  I want them to counter the insulin resistence which may be attacking my arteries despite how tight I keep my numbers controlled.

But if your numbers are Ok, why should the resistance be causing artery problems? It seems to me the resisitance isn’t so great that the resistance itself should cause a problem. Maybe it’s just me, but I can’t fathom anyone who actually WANTS to take meds.  And I want them so I can occasionally relax my control. Ahhh, so a rider to my last sentence…… unless they haven’t the necessary disciplne. My last A1c was 5.6, with a fasting BG of 105.  That’s the entirety of the information she had, along with a letter spelling out exactly why I wanted to try metformin and a small number of Starlix a month.  Nope.  My numbers are excellent, so I don’t need them.

With an A1c of 5.6, I’d tend to agree.  End of story.  Totally dismissed my concern about the effects of insulin resistence

Your resistance isn’t a problem if you eat well. It’s like asking a doc for anti fat pills so you can scoff a bucketful of chocolate with no consequences.  and my stated need for some more wiggle room in my diet.

She’s likelt to see that "need" as more like a desire than a need. Docs rarely prescibe meds to satisfy anyones desires.  Nope.  Gotta suck it up.  No meds for me!  Bah.  She’s fired.

I can imagine she would be. I can also imagine you having some trouble finding  REAL doctor who’ll prescribe you metformin just so you can eat the things you like. If you’re REALLY in the mood for eating food that’s obviously not good for you, why not buy OTC insulin and inject yourself into a whole new weight arena? I believe Regular insulin is non prescription in most states. Beav

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Also, if my doctor ever told me that I could get control with diet alone, I’d look for another doctor.

My internist won’t let me have metformin because I’ve got down to such good numbers with diet (and a little exercise) alone.  That’s why I’ve now got an appointment with a diabetologist and am looking for a new internist. Priscilla

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was diagonosed with type 2 diabetes about 1.5 years ago.  After a year on a low carb diet and consistently good BGL (blood glucose levels) my doctor has suggested I get of the glucophage and stay on the low carb diet. However as a condition I must buy a monitor and test daily. Here is my problem:  I am unable to stick myself.  This is not a problem with pain or with blood…it is a problem with "twitching" away from an approaching sharp object.  I cannot even watch a nurse stick me as I will flinch away at the last instant.  I am looking for a system that would stick me automatically and take the blood all at once. Does a system like this exist? I have also read about a watch that will measure my Glucose w/o requiring a blood sample (using electrical resistance I believe)……and another system that requires no actual blood but uses a microscopic abrasion with a laser to draw tiny droplets of blood.  Do these work and are they reliable? If there are no system that are what I need….which  "other" systems are the best out there? Also I heard of a monitor that will measure Cholesterol as well as Glucose at the same time….am intrigued by this.  ANy thoughts on it?

I have seen the Cholesterol monitoring devices, but as far as I saw they only measured the Cholesterol, not the glucose at the same time. I also saw something that intrigued me at a store, an A1 monitor! They seemed quite expensive and the strips were like 5 in a box!! I will have to look into it further. Good luck! Cat – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks Alok

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was diagonosed with type 2 diabetes about 1.5 years ago.  After a year on a low carb diet and consistently good BGL (blood glucose levels) my doctor has suggested I get of the glucophage and stay on the low carb diet. However as a condition I must buy a monitor and test daily. Here is my problem:  I am unable to stick myself.  This is not a problem with pain or with blood…it is a problem with "twitching" away from an approaching sharp object.  I cannot even watch a nurse stick me as I will flinch away at the last instant.  I am looking for a system that would stick me automatically and take the blood all at once. Does a system like this exist? I have also read about a watch that will measure my Glucose w/o requiring a blood sample (using electrical resistance I believe)……and another system that requires no actual blood but uses a microscopic abrasion with a laser to draw tiny droplets of blood.  Do these work and are they reliable? If there are no system that are what I need….which  "other" systems are the best out there? Also I heard of a monitor that will measure Cholesterol as well as Glucose at the same time….am intrigued by this.  ANy thoughts on it? Thanks Alok

You will get over that fear reaction after a week or two.  Just do it. There is no real alternative.    Practice till you get it right. Another thing is that you should be sticking yourself on the SIDE of the finger, not the tip.  It hurts less that way.   There is a pen that I got with my meter that allows you to set the pin to different depths.  I find I get just enough blood when I set it for 3.   I started by using a lower level, but didn’t get enough blood to test. You can overcome that fear by just doing it. Regards, Evelyn

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Also, if my doctor ever told me that I could get control with diet alone, I’d look for another doctor. My internist won’t let me have metformin because I’ve got down to such good numbers with diet (and a little exercise) alone.  That’s why I’ve now got an appointment with a diabetologist and am looking for a new internist.

I’m a little intrigued Priscilla. Do you WANT to take meds in favour of NOT? Seems a little odd to me that you’re looking for a new diabetologist/specialist/endoist who’ll hand you meds when your numbers are "so good" that your current guy doesn’t think meds are necessary. What are they btw? Beav

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Here is my problem:  I am unable to stick myself.  This is not a problem with pain or with blood…it is a problem with "twitching" away from an approaching sharp object.

My daughter kept cringing from this, until she stopped using the automatic device.  Now she uses BD ultrafine lancets by themselves.  It gives her more of a feeling of control.   Try that. BL BL "As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed.  There is a hologram of the rock within the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then there’s a reflected wave back."   Ralph Abraham   "I’d like to learn to windsurf."  BL

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I was diagonosed with type 2 diabetes about 1.5 years ago.  After a year on a low carb diet and consistently good BGL (blood glucose levels) my doctor has suggested I get of the glucophage and stay on the low carb diet. However as a condition I must buy a monitor and test daily. Here is my problem:  I am unable to stick myself.  This is not a problem with pain or with blood…it is a problem with "twitching" away from an approaching sharp object.  I cannot even watch a nurse stick me as I will flinch away at the last instant.  I am looking for a system that would stick me automatically and take the blood all at once. Does a system like this exist? I have also read about a watch that will measure my Glucose w/o requiring a blood sample (using electrical resistance I believe)……and another system that requires no actual blood but uses a microscopic abrasion with a laser to draw tiny droplets of blood.  Do these work and are they reliable? If there are no system that are what I need….which  "other" systems are the best out there? Also I heard of a monitor that will measure Cholesterol as well as Glucose at the same time….am intrigued by this.  ANy thoughts on it? Thanks Alok

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Here is my problem:  I am unable to stick myself.  This is not a problem with pain or with blood…it is a problem with "twitching" away from an approaching sharp object.  I cannot even watch a nurse stick me as I will flinch away at the last instant.

Been there, done that.  Honestly, it’s only hard the first few times. You will get over it.  You’ll even get the knack of it.  However, eventually it’ll also become a boring nuisance.  Be on guard for that attitude change.  Don’t let yourself fall into the trap of either not testing when you should or only testing at times when the results are not particularly respresentative.  If you want to do minimum testing, test only at the times of day when your doctor tells you that you should and also whenever you feel odd and are curious.  Personally I test when I get up in the morning, two hours after every meal unless I know exactly from past experience what that exact meal is going to do to me under my current circumstances (hence a test would just show me what I already know, so I don’t bother), and before I go to bed at night. That usually ends up as four tests a day at most.  Some days even just two. If you don’t get over it within a dozen pricks or so, then you need psychiatric help. Also, if my doctor ever told me that I could get control with diet alone, I’d look for another doctor. – Dan

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I was diagonosed with type 2 diabetes about 1.5 years ago.  After a year on a low carb diet and consistently good BGL (blood glucose levels) my doctor has suggested I get of the glucophage and stay on the low carb diet. However as a condition I must buy a monitor and test daily.

You’re joking.  Right?  If not, run.  Do not walk to another Dr.!  You should have been testing yourself all along.  If you don’t test, you have no way of knowing how your BG is doing.  You say it has been consistenltly good.  But how would you know this?  An A1c won’t tell you this. Here is my problem:  I am unable to stick myself.  This is not a problem with pain or with blood…it is a problem with "twitching" away from an approaching sharp object.  I cannot even watch a nurse stick me as I will flinch away at the last instant.  I am looking for a system that would stick me automatically and take the blood all at once. Does a system like this exist?

I don’t know if there is such a system.  I too used to have the same problem you did.  I got over it.  I realized I had no choice. I have also read about a watch that will measure my Glucose w/o requiring a blood sample (using electrical resistance I believe)……and another system that requires no actual blood but uses a microscopic abrasion with a laser to draw tiny droplets of blood.  Do these work and are they reliable?

It doesn’t work well.  And it doesn’t replace finger sticks.  They must still be done.  The reason for this device was to alert people of hypos. But it doesn’t work well at all. If there are no system that are what I need….which  "other" systems are the best out there? Also I heard of a monitor that will measure Cholesterol as well as Glucose at the same time….am intrigued by this.  ANy thoughts on it?

Haven’t heard of that one. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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permanently into the ether: Hi, Gramma!  I’ve sometimes not remembered if I’ve taken my meds or not, and I’m not about to take them if there’s a chance I already have, so I just wait till the next morning—if I’m dizzy, light-headed and slightly nauseated, I know I did indeed forget them the day before!  So I take them that second morning and lie down for about an hour if I can; that usually does it.  I’m only taking Effexor, though, since I’m dealing with chronic depression and not BP.  That would be so much more complicated!  I’d probably get one of those weekly pill containers to be sure of my accuracy. I mean, we take the danged things so often, we can visualize ourselves taking them whether we actually did or not! My best to you!   Kathy

I put out my medications and supplements two weeks at a time.  I have one of those weekly pill holders with 7 holders for each day.  Each day has four time slots–and I take pills 5 times/day–so one slot serves double duty. If I did not do this–I’d never take anything at the proper time! LOL  also, it helps me to figure out when I need to order refills, so I never run out.  Well, almost never. <grin Nancy administrator/creator/moderator alt.med.fibromyalgia.recovery.info (moderated) alt.support.depression.manic.moderated to email me from news groups, just remove the Z.

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Hi, Gramma!  I’ve sometimes not remembered if I’ve taken my meds or not, and I’m not about to take them if there’s a chance I already have, so I just wait till the next morning—if I’m dizzy, light-headed and slightly nauseated, I know I did indeed forget them the day before!  So I take them that second morning and lie down for about an hour if I can; that usually does it.  I’m only taking Effexor, though, since I’m dealing with chronic depression and not BP.  That would be so much more complicated!  I’d probably get one of those weekly pill containers to be sure of my accuracy. I mean, we take the danged things so often, we can visualize ourselves taking them whether we actually did or not! My best to you!   Kathy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kathy, This is truly an amazing group of people!! For some reason known only to the pill demons, I didn’t take my meds right on time last night, and then compounded it today by doing the same thing this morning. As a consequence, I am now so fuzzy headed, and crabby, and fragile that I honestly don’t know what I want to do. And then I drop in here and check the posts, and here is the two great posts from you. And while they didn’t cause miracles, they did remind me that things have been better, and they will get better again. That is something I have to believe to keep on going. As for making mistakes, I have made some doozies in my time. Too depressing to recount, but just suffice it to say that I am an expert at that. Your suggestion about a phone visit with the therapist is an excellent one. One thing I have learned is nothing ventured, nothing gained. So I will arrange that after I know about the job, and it should make the aprehension much less. I am at the point today, where I am writing everything down that I need to make decisions on, and doing it tomorrow, or sometime later when I am not so fuzzy. I haven’t felt like this in quite some time, but then I haven’t messed with my meds in quite some time. Why do I do this? I know better, but it was just like I couldn’t help myself. As for losing someone to death, it seems like the people that you think you can count on the most, are the ones most likely to let you down. I am trying to learn that the only one I can count on is myself, but that is really a tall order. Especially when I can’t decide what to have for lunch!!  ;-) Sometimes I really get into this funk and wonder what I ever did to have this happen to me. Mentally I know better, but emotionally it is very hard to reconcile sometimes. Enough of my maudlin rambling today. Suffice it to say it is great to know that you are all here for me when I need it the most. Gramma Gramma, I’m a grandmother, too, and have thought about the idea of a move to be closer to my kids and grandchildren–aren’t grandchildren marvelous?!–but my children aren’t necessarily living where they’ll settle, so I’m not pulling up my roots yet. What about having a phone visit with the new therapist before you move? That might ease some of your fears about many things.  And, remember, you can always change your mind if you don’t like the way things work out in the new area!  We’re always growing, improving, learning, and deciding; some of what makes life fresh and new is the possibility of making a mistake and then using it to go a new direction. Let us know how things proceed!  And welcome to this group; it’s a great bunch of people. Warmly,  Kathy The doc I feel is most important is my therapist, and he has a friend in the town I want to move to, who he says practices a lot the way he does. He has talked to him, and has everything set up for when I make the move. The pdoc is going to be a referral that the therapist feels comfortable working with. Sometimes I feel like I just fall into stuff that is too good to be true. In the past though, there has always been a pretty big price to pay. Sure hope that doesn’t happen again. Gramma

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – etched permanently into the ether: My doctors are already anticipating that everything is going to work out to plan, so they have contacted collegues of theirs to get referrals. Makes the whole thing seem a little less scarey. But what if I get over there and I don’t have the same rapport with the new docs??? Life has been unbearable all these years, and I just couldn’t face the thought of going back to that again!! That sounds really great!  Hopefully, your doctors have information that leads them to believe that their referrals will be doctors with similar treatment philosophies.  You will have to express these concerns to your new treatment team–be honest with them and you should reap the rewards. Nancy administrator/creator/moderator alt.med.fibromyalgia.recovery.info (moderated) alt.support.depression.manic.moderated to email me from news groups, just remove the Z.

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Kathy, This is truly an amazing group of people!! For some reason known only to the pill demons, I didn’t take my meds right on time last night, and then compounded it today by doing the same thing this morning. As a consequence, I am now so fuzzy headed, and crabby, and fragile that I honestly don’t know what I want to do. And then I drop in here and check the posts, and here is the two great posts from you. And while they didn’t cause miracles, they did remind me that things have been better, and they will get better again. That is something I have to believe to keep on going. As for making mistakes, I have made some doozies in my time. Too depressing to recount, but just suffice it to say that I am an expert at that. Your suggestion about a phone visit with the therapist is an excellent one. One thing I have learned is nothing ventured, nothing gained. So I will arrange that after I know about the job, and it should make the aprehension much less. I am at the point today, where I am writing everything down that I need to make decisions on, and doing it tomorrow, or sometime later when I am not so fuzzy. I haven’t felt like this in quite some time, but then I haven’t messed with my meds in quite some time. Why do I do this? I know better, but it was just like I couldn’t help myself. As for losing someone to death, it seems like the people that you think you can count on the most, are the ones most likely to let you down. I am trying to learn that the only one I can count on is myself, but that is really a tall order. Especially when I can’t decide what to have for lunch!!  ;-) Sometimes I really get into this funk and wonder what I ever did to have this happen to me. Mentally I know better, but emotionally it is very hard to reconcile sometimes. Enough of my maudlin rambling today. Suffice it to say it is great to know that you are all here for me when I need it the most. Gramma

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gramma, I’m a grandmother, too, and have thought about the idea of a move to be closer to my kids and grandchildren–aren’t grandchildren marvelous?!–but my children aren’t necessarily living where they’ll settle, so I’m not pulling up my roots yet. What about having a phone visit with the new therapist before you move? That might ease some of your fears about many things.  And, remember, you can always change your mind if you don’t like the way things work out in the new area!  We’re always growing, improving, learning, and deciding; some of what makes life fresh and new is the possibility of making a mistake and then using it to go a new direction. Let us know how things proceed!  And welcome to this group; it’s a great bunch of people. Warmly,  Kathy The doc I feel is most important is my therapist, and he has a friend in the town I want to move to, who he says practices a lot the way he does. He has talked to him, and has everything set up for when I make the move. The pdoc is going to be a referral that the therapist feels comfortable working with. Sometimes I feel like I just fall into stuff that is too good to be true. In the past though, there has always been a pretty big price to pay. Sure hope that doesn’t happen again. Gramma etched permanently into the ether: My doctors are already anticipating that everything is going to work out to plan, so they have contacted collegues of theirs to get referrals. Makes the whole thing seem a little less scarey. But what if I get over there and I don’t have the same rapport with the new docs??? Life has been unbearable all these years, and I just couldn’t face the thought of going back to that again!! That sounds really great!  Hopefully, your doctors have information that leads them to believe that their referrals will be doctors with similar treatment philosophies.  You will have to express these concerns to your new treatment team–be honest with them and you should reap the rewards. Nancy administrator/creator/moderator alt.med.fibromyalgia.recovery.info (moderated) alt.support.depression.manic.moderated to email me from news groups, just remove the Z.

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Bonnie, Aren’t grandkids just the neatest things ever invented? Gramma

: )  They sure are! Bonnie

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Gramma, I’m a grandmother, too, and have thought about the idea of a move to be closer to my kids and grandchildren–aren’t grandchildren marvelous?!–but my children aren’t necessarily living where they’ll settle, so I’m not pulling up my roots yet. What about having a phone visit with the new therapist before you move? That might ease some of your fears about many things.  And, remember, you can always change your mind if you don’t like the way things work out in the new area!  We’re always growing, improving, learning, and deciding; some of what makes life fresh and new is the possibility of making a mistake and then using it to go a new direction. Let us know how things proceed!  And welcome to this group; it’s a great bunch of people. Warmly,  Kathy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The doc I feel is most important is my therapist, and he has a friend in the town I want to move to, who he says practices a lot the way he does. He has talked to him, and has everything set up for when I make the move. The pdoc is going to be a referral that the therapist feels comfortable working with. Sometimes I feel like I just fall into stuff that is too good to be true. In the past though, there has always been a pretty big price to pay. Sure hope that doesn’t happen again. Gramma etched permanently into the ether: My doctors are already anticipating that everything is going to work out to plan, so they have contacted collegues of theirs to get referrals. Makes the whole thing seem a little less scarey. But what if I get over there and I don’t have the same rapport with the new docs??? Life has been unbearable all these years, and I just couldn’t face the thought of going back to that again!! That sounds really great!  Hopefully, your doctors have information that leads them to believe that their referrals will be doctors with similar treatment philosophies.  You will have to express these concerns to your new treatment team–be honest with them and you should reap the rewards. Nancy administrator/creator/moderator alt.med.fibromyalgia.recovery.info (moderated) alt.support.depression.manic.moderated to email me from news groups, just remove the Z.

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permanently into the ether: My doctors are already anticipating that everything is going to work out to plan, so they have contacted collegues of theirs to get referrals. Makes the whole thing seem a little less scarey. But what if I get over there and I don’t have the same rapport with the new docs??? Life has been unbearable all these years, and I just couldn’t face the thought of going back to that again!!

That sounds really great!  Hopefully, your doctors have information that leads them to believe that their referrals will be doctors with similar treatment philosophies.  You will have to express these concerns to your new treatment team–be honest with them and you should reap the rewards. Nancy administrator/creator/moderator alt.med.fibromyalgia.recovery.info (moderated) alt.support.depression.manic.moderated to email me from news groups, just remove the Z.

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The doc I feel is most important is my therapist, and he has a friend in the town I want to move to, who he says practices a lot the way he does. He has talked to him, and has everything set up for when I make the move. The pdoc is going to be a referral that the therapist feels comfortable working with. Sometimes I feel like I just fall into stuff that is too good to be true. In the past though, there has always been a pretty big price to pay. Sure hope that doesn’t happen again. Gramma

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – etched permanently into the ether: My doctors are already anticipating that everything is going to work out to plan, so they have contacted collegues of theirs to get referrals. Makes the whole thing seem a little less scarey. But what if I get over there and I don’t have the same rapport with the new docs??? Life has been unbearable all these years, and I just couldn’t face the thought of going back to that again!! That sounds really great!  Hopefully, your doctors have information that leads them to believe that their referrals will be doctors with similar treatment philosophies.  You will have to express these concerns to your new treatment team–be honest with them and you should reap the rewards. Nancy administrator/creator/moderator alt.med.fibromyalgia.recovery.info (moderated) alt.support.depression.manic.moderated to email me from news groups, just remove the Z.

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Bonnie, Aren’t grandkids just the neatest things ever invented? Gramma

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I have been reading through the posts here for the last several days, and feel like I have found a home. I had almost given up hope that I could find anyone who could really understand what I am going through being Bi-Polar. Welcome Gramma!  This is certainly the place for you if you are looking for others that understand.  That is one of the best things about this group to me, plue the fact that there are some really great people here. Even now, after over a year, it is a foreign diagnosis to me, although I have lived with it for most of my 56+ years. I have been in therapy and have been seeing a pdoc for the last year, but I have always had the feeling that they only understand what is going on because of what they have read and heard, not what they really know and feel. Unless your pdoc has BP I don’t think they could possibly *really* understand.  I think it helps if you have one you can relate to well and then stay with that same one so they can get to know you. There is so much I would like to share about myself, because I really feel that I will be understood. I will try not to be a bore, if I can just join the group.  – GrammaOfNine It would be great for you to join us.  I hope we hear from you a lot more. Bonnie PS I’m Gramma of two and love it!  Nine is quite a group there! Congratulations!

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Thank you all for such a warm welcome! It has been a long time (if ever) since I felt totally accepted from people who actually knew that I had a problem.

This is the only place (other than with my immediate family) that I feel accepted.  We all need that. A little bio…..I have spent years having doctors tell me that I was crazy, had panic attacks, was not right with God (yep, a MD told me that), that it was all in my head, and that’s just to recite a few. It wasn’t until a little over a year ago when I crashed big time that I went to a pdoc and was actually diagnosed.

What a relief to finally get a diagnosis.  I’m glad that you found a pdoc that could help you. I don’t know if I am a I or a II. I am not all that versed in all the ramifications of it, but I know that it is complicated by the fact that I had thyroid cancer (complete thyroidectomy in 1980) and lymphatic cancer, so my meds to crazy at times. Synthroid just doesn’t do the same as the real thing. I then had cancer again in 1982, and sit scared of it every day

now. I’m so sorry to hear about your health problems.  Cancer certainly is a very frightening thing.  It scares me to death also.  If your last cancer was in 1982 then I would hope that is long enough to be able to celebrate being a survivor of it but I do know in reality that it is hard to not be scared. My mother lost a kidney to it and later died from bone cancer and now my brother has mantel cell lymphoma and is in stage 4 of that so it doesn’t look good.  Right after my brother was diagnosed I had some problems with my ovaries and they think there is a chance of cancer.  I had a series of tests last month and now they want me to wait until the first of Feburary and then redo the tests before they resort to surgery.  I kind of feel like I’m sitting on pins and needles in the meantime.  Still, I know I’m very fortunate compared to many others. I have managed to keep on working by playing a game of pretend. I know that the people that I am the closest with at work know that I have a "problem" and they have learned to walk gently when I am "not myself". But I do a good job and they are willing to forgive my downfalls so far.

It’s great that they are understanding.  I play that game of pretend at my job.  There are times that I think that is what some of us must do to survive in this world. I am terrified that I will some day go over the deep end and not be able to get back, so I am a fanatic about taking my meds. I am on Lyvoxyl, prozac, trileptal, zantac, propronolol (for tremor side effects), and trazadone for sleep. In the grand scheme of things it doesn’t sound like much compared to some of what I have read here, but I am grateful that I can still function.

We all have our individual trials to deal with and we all can help one another in one way or another since we have all this in common. In fact, I have climbed out on a limb and have applied for a job in another state (where most of my kids live), and it looks like I have a good chance of getting it. I feel kind of guilty when I read how difficult it is for some of the group right now. I was terrified that this move was a manic thing that I wouldn’t be able to carry through on, but the pdoc says it is a good thing. Guess I gotta trust someone, cause I sure can’t trust myself.

It sounds like that could be a good move for you.  Keep us posted on how it goes.  I’m sure it would be nice to be close to your kids. My pdoc and therapist have had me on a very strick schedule, therapy three times a week, and pdoc once a month for the last year. I panic if one of them is gone.

My pdoc and therapist keep reminding me of how important a strict schedule is for those of us with BP and not just for appointments but also in our everyday life.  I have a hard time keeping a good sleep schedule but I keep trying. Thanks for listening and letting me share, Gramma

Thank you for joining us. Bonnie

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Hi, I have been reading through the posts here for the last several days, and feel like I have found a home. I had almost given up hope that I could find anyone who could really understand what I am going through being Bi-Polar.

Welcome Gramma!  This is certainly the place for you if you are looking for others that understand.  That is one of the best things about this group to me, plue the fact that there are some really great people here. Even now, after over a year, it is a foreign diagnosis to me, although I have lived with it for most of my 56+ years. I have been in therapy and have been seeing a pdoc for the last year, but I have always had the feeling that they only understand what is going on because of what they have read and heard, not what they really know and feel.

Unless your pdoc has BP I don’t think they could possibly *really* understand.  I think it helps if you have one you can relate to well and then stay with that same one so they can get to know you. There is so much I would like to share about myself, because I really feel that I will be understood. I will try not to be a bore, if I can just join the group.  – GrammaOfNine

It would be great for you to join us.  I hope we hear from you a lot more. Bonnie PS I’m Gramma of two and love it!  Nine is quite a group there! Congratulations!

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My doctors are already anticipating that everything is going to work out to plan, so they have contacted collegues of theirs to get referrals. Makes the whole thing seem a little less scarey. But what if I get over there and I don’t have the same rapport with the new docs??? Life has been unbearable all these years, and I just couldn’t face the thought of going back to that again!!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – etched permanently into the ether: In fact, I have climbed out on a limb and have applied for a job in another state (where most of my kids live), and it looks like I have a good chance of getting it. I feel kind of guilty when I read how difficult it is for some of the group right now. I was terrified that this move was a manic thing that I wouldn’t be able to carry through on, but the pdoc says it is a good thing. Guess I gotta trust someone, cause I sure can’t trust myself. My pdoc and therapist have had me on a very strick schedule, therapy three times a week, and pdoc once a month for the last year. I panic if one of them is gone. It sure sounds like you have a good treatment program and a plan for the next few years of your life!  Be proud!  It isn’t easy for us to do that!  When you move, I hope your pdoc and therapist can recommend new docs for you–so the transition is as smooth as possible for you.  :) The key to continue working, IMO, is to reduce stress and keep that schedule! You GO Gramma! Nancy administrator/creator/moderator alt.med.fibromyalgia.recovery.info (moderated) alt.support.depression.manic.moderated to email me from news groups, just remove the Z.

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permanently into the ether: In fact, I have climbed out on a limb and have applied for a job in another state (where most of my kids live), and it looks like I have a good chance of getting it. I feel kind of guilty when I read how difficult it is for some of the group right now. I was terrified that this move was a manic thing that I wouldn’t be able to carry through on, but the pdoc says it is a good thing. Guess I gotta trust someone, cause I sure can’t trust myself. My pdoc and therapist have had me on a very strick schedule, therapy three times a week, and pdoc once a month for the last year. I panic if one of them is gone.

It sure sounds like you have a good treatment program and a plan for the next few years of your life!  Be proud!  It isn’t easy for us to do that!  When you move, I hope your pdoc and therapist can recommend new docs for you–so the transition is as smooth as possible for you.  :) The key to continue working, IMO, is to reduce stress and keep that schedule! You GO Gramma! Nancy administrator/creator/moderator alt.med.fibromyalgia.recovery.info (moderated) alt.support.depression.manic.moderated to email me from news groups, just remove the Z.

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Thank you all for such a warm welcome! It has been a long time (if ever) since I felt totally accepted from people who actually knew that I had a problem. A little bio…..I have spent years having doctors tell me that I was crazy, had panic attacks, was not right with God (yep, a MD told me that), that it was all in my head, and that’s just to recite a few. It wasn’t until a little over a year ago when I crashed big time that I went to a pdoc and was actually diagnosed. I don’t know if I am a I or a II. I am not all that versed in all the ramifications of it, but I know that it is complicated by the fact that I had thyroid cancer (complete thyroidectomy in 1980) and lymphatic cancer, so my meds to crazy at times. Synthroid just doesn’t do the same as the real thing. I then had cancer again in 1982, and sit scared of it every day now. I have managed to keep on working by playing a game of pretend. I know that the people that I am the closest with at work know that I have a "problem" and they have learned to walk gently when I am "not myself". But I do a good job and they are willing to forgive my downfalls so far. I am terrified that I will some day go over the deep end and not be able to get back, so I am a fanatic about taking my meds. I am on Lyvoxyl, prozac, trileptal, zantac, propronolol (for tremor side effects), and trazadone for sleep. In the grand scheme of things it doesn’t sound like much compared to some of what I have read here, but I am grateful that I can still function. In fact, I have climbed out on a limb and have applied for a job in another state (where most of my kids live), and it looks like I have a good chance of getting it. I feel kind of guilty when I read how difficult it is for some of the group right now. I was terrified that this move was a manic thing that I wouldn’t be able to carry through on, but the pdoc says it is a good thing. Guess I gotta trust someone, cause I sure can’t trust myself. My pdoc and therapist have had me on a very strick schedule, therapy three times a week, and pdoc once a month for the last year. I panic if one of them is gone. Thanks for listening and letting me share, Gramma

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – etched permanently into the ether: Hi, I have been reading through the posts here for the last several days, and feel like I have found a home. I had almost given up hope that I could find anyone who could really understand what I am going through being Bi-Polar. Even now, after over a year, it is a foreign diagnosis to me, although I have lived with it for most of my 56+ years. I have been in therapy and have been seeing a pdoc for the last year, but I have always had the feeling that they only understand what is going on because of what they have read and heard, not what they really know and feel. There is so much I would like to share about myself, because I really feel that I will be understood. I will try not to be a bore, if I can just join the group. Welcome Gramma! Glad to see new faces around here all the time!  Post what you want–just protect your identity–this is a public place.  We have an understanding that most professionals do not have–but we are not a substitute for medical attention! I look forward to getting to know you better! Nancy administrator/creator/moderator alt.med.fibromyalgia.recovery.info (moderated) alt.support.depression.manic.moderated to email me from news groups, just remove the Z.

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We welcome you with open arms.  It’s a good group of people here with a lot of different points to share.  We’ve all been in the trenches and have our war wounds.  Keep posting. colleen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I have been reading through the posts here for the last several days, and feel like I have found a home. I had almost given up hope that I could find anyone who could really understand what I am going through being Bi-Polar. Even now, after over a year, it is a foreign diagnosis to me, although I have lived with it for most of my 56+ years. I have been in therapy and have been seeing a pdoc for the last year, but I have always had the feeling that they only understand what is going on because of what they have read and heard, not what they really know and feel. There is so much I would like to share about myself, because I really feel that I will be understood. I will try not to be a bore, if I can just join the group. — GrammaOfNine

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permanently into the ether: Hi, I have been reading through the posts here for the last several days, and feel like I have found a home. I had almost given up hope that I could find anyone who could really understand what I am going through being Bi-Polar. Even now, after over a year, it is a foreign diagnosis to me, although I have lived with it for most of my 56+ years. I have been in therapy and have been seeing a pdoc for the last year, but I have always had the feeling that they only understand what is going on because of what they have read and heard, not what they really know and feel. There is so much I would like to share about myself, because I really feel that I will be understood. I will try not to be a bore, if I can just join the group.

Welcome Gramma! Glad to see new faces around here all the time!  Post what you want–just protect your identity–this is a public place.  We have an understanding that most professionals do not have–but we are not a substitute for medical attention! I look forward to getting to know you better! Nancy administrator/creator/moderator alt.med.fibromyalgia.recovery.info (moderated) alt.support.depression.manic.moderated to email me from news groups, just remove the Z.

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Hi, I have been reading through the posts here for the last several days, and feel like I have found a home. I had almost given up hope that I could find anyone who could really understand what I am going through being Bi-Polar. Even now, after over a year, it is a foreign diagnosis to me, although I have lived with it for most of my 56+ years. I have been in therapy and have been seeing a pdoc for the last year, but I have always had the feeling that they only understand what is going on because of what they have read and heard, not what they really know and feel. There is so much I would like to share about myself, because I really feel that I will be understood. I will try not to be a bore, if I can just join the group. — GrammaOfNine

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Hi, I have been reading through the posts here for the last several days, and feel like I have found a home. I had almost given up hope that I could find anyone who could really understand what I am going through being Bi-Polar. Even now, after over a year, it is a foreign diagnosis to me, although I have lived with it for most of my 56+ years. I have been in therapy and have been seeing a pdoc for the last year, but I have always had the feeling that they only understand what is going on because of what they have read and heard, not what they really know and feel. There is so much I would like to share about myself, because I really feel that I will be understood. I will try not to be a bore, if I can just join the group.

Welcome to the group.Its better to talk with people that have bipolar because doctors only understand what they are taught and read.There is a great book written by a psychiatrist that has bipolar called " An Unquiet Mind". Not sure if quiet is spelled write i have problems with that word. Haha!

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I was diagnosed this past February with stage 4 Pappilary Thyroid cancer. I had my thyroid remover in April. I was just wondering if any other people have found it difficult to get adjusted to the meds after surgery? By the way I am a 49 yar old Male. I understand this puts me on the worse side of the disease.Any information taht you could send me woulf be greatly appreciated. Mike

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Mike, You shouldn’t have to much trouble getting ajusted to the meds.You will however have to get your blood work done to make sure you are gettting the right amount of thyroid hormone. I’m 38 years old and had my thyroid my throid removed. The cancer spread into my lymph system. About a 1 1/2 years ago, I had more cancer removed from my neck. About a 1 1/2 months ago I noticed more swelling in my neck. At that time they found a mass 1.5 cm round in my neck. Thursday I go to see the surgeon.. My reason for telling you all this is you will need to stay informed about your cancer. I watch my neck for any changes. And thats how I noticed the lump, sometimes they can’t be seen. My voice also stared to crack. After they removed my thyroid, they said that I needed to have radio-active iodione to kill any residule thyroid tissue. I have had 2 mega doses in this time period, neither worked. I had 150 mc the first time and 200 mc the second time. If you have to have this done, please go and read up on this to inform yourself. I hope this helps you. And keep in mind I lived with this for 8 years. But keep in mind it is papillary cancer and can spread, so freind go see your Doctors, get your blood work done and keep yourself inform about your cancer. Good luck and God Bless. And If  I can help you with more info please feel free to ask. Jill

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Jill, I am sorry I did not get back to you sooner and thank you for your words. Sometimes I feel that the doctors do not give you the full story which is why I asked about it here. Thanks again and have a nice holiday

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike, You shouldn’t have to much trouble getting ajusted to the meds.You will however have to get your blood work done to make sure you are gettting the right amount of thyroid hormone. I’m 38 years old and had my thyroid my throid removed. The cancer spread into my lymph system. About a 1 1/2 years ago, I had more cancer removed from my neck. About a 1 1/2 months ago I noticed more swelling in my neck. At that time they found a mass 1.5 cm round in my neck. Thursday I go to see the surgeon.. My reason for telling you all this is you will need to stay informed about your cancer. I watch my neck for any changes. And thats how I noticed the lump, sometimes they can’t be seen. My voice also stared to crack. After they removed my thyroid, they said that I needed to have radio-active iodione to kill any residule thyroid tissue. I have had 2 mega doses in this time period, neither worked. I had 150 mc the first time and 200 mc the second time. If you have to have this done, please go and read up on this to inform yourself. I hope this helps you. And keep in mind I lived with this for 8 years. But keep in mind it is papillary cancer and can spread, so freind go see your Doctors, get your blood work done and keep yourself inform about your cancer. Good luck and God Bless. And If  I can help you with more info please feel free to ask. Jill I was diagnosed this past February with stage 4 Pappilary Thyroid cancer. I had my thyroid remover in April. I was just wondering if any other people have found it difficult to get adjusted to the meds after surgery? By the way I am a 49 yar old Male. I understand this puts me on the worse side of the disease.Any information taht you could send me woulf be greatly appreciated. Mike

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Yellow Dye #5 is a toxic food additive that is literally INDUSTRIAL WASTE. It has been linked to eczema, hyperactivity, lupus, and thyroid cancer. There is currently a petition to have this substance banned in the United States and I am working to get as many people as possible to send comments to the FDA in support of the petition. For more information and links to the petition, visit: http://tartrazine.tripod.com Thank you, Margaret

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Yellow Dye #5 is a toxic food additive that is literally INDUSTRIAL WASTE. It has been linked to eczema, hyperactivity, lupus, and thyroid cancer.

What’s worse, many industrial processes produce DHMO. There is currently a petition to have this substance banned in the United States and I am working to get as many people as possible to send comments to the FDA in support of the petition.

Ditto for DHMO. — | I’m old enough that I don’t have to pretend to be grown up.|

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"Kit" <ma…@on.aibn.com> wrote in message

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Hi, Kit. Yes–as you probably know, surgery on the thyroid can be very risky to the nearby vocal cords, which are sometimes cut. Jackie

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My mom’s vocal chords were cut when she had surgery a few years ago.  She had to retrain herself to talk and her once-booming voice is now soft.  It was just the anesthesia tube that keeps your breathing clear, according to reports. –Jane "Jackiejj(nospam)@mindspring.com" <jacki…@mindspring.com> wrote in message

news:960gl6$5r1$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Kit" <ma…@on.aibn.com> wrote in message > news:t2Mg6.215843$f36.8680724@news20.bellglobal.com… > > He was operated on for thyroid cancer and I seen him on Letterman tonight > he > > sang a song and is doing well! He is retraining his vocal cord’s.What a > > fabulous surgeon he had! > > Kit > Hi, Kit. Yes–as you probably know, surgery on the thyroid can be very risky > to the nearby vocal cords, which are sometimes cut. > Jackie

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He was operated on for thyroid cancer and I seen him on Letterman tonight he sang a song and is doing well! He is retraining his vocal cord’s.What a fabulous surgeon he had! Kit

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