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Here is the undeniable and documentable proof that everything that I have written up to now is 100% correct!! That naturally scares the hell out of the Pro-Med faction of the Medical-Industrial Complex and it’s enforcers: The Iron-Fist Autocrats. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Forced Drugging is Unconstitutional. Read the Truth About Psychiatric Drugs. -==( Proof Psychiatric Drugs Shorten Life Span )==- http://www.donet.com/~moser/index.htm/PsychiatryKills.htm For the shocking evidence click the above links and prepare to be enlightened.

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<sigh Artie, can’t you come up with anything new? You’ve posted this before. The site that you post as "proof" that psychiatric drugs shorten life span is nothing more than the personal page of some poor, disturbed soul. You’re only decreasing your already negative credibility by posting "proof" like this. How low can you go?! Nancy Unique, like everyone else

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Wrong, wrong, wrong, and also wrong. No, I have NOT posted that before and I have the privilege to do it now. For the record, everything I have ever posted has been accurate and eventually proven to be true. Everything Probert and his "pals" have posted have been called into question by those who are concerned with getting the facts right. The site that you post as "proof" that psychiatric drugs shorten life span is nothing more than the personal page of some poor, disturbed soul.

I do not agree that the person is disturbed or that he has some ax to grind. It seems a very well documented, reasoned and balanced presentation. You’re only decreasing your already negative credibility by posting "proof" like this. How low can you go?!

My credibility with those that matter is very high, thank you very much. Please remember, this is a support group and not some kind of pro-militaristic, nazi-state totalitarian grou that Mr. Probert would want. Maybe he will get World War 3 that he is lusting for and all people will be losers. I for one plan to work for a non-violent solutions to our problems, which includes so-called spin-dromes. Nancy Unique, like everyone else

Artio

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is the undeniable and documentable proof that everything that I have written up to now is 100% correct!! That naturally scares the hell out of the Pro-Med faction of the Medical-Industrial Complex and it’s enforcers: The Iron-Fist Autocrats. Forced Drugging is Unconstitutional. Read the Truth About Psychiatric Drugs. -==( Proof Psychiatric Drugs Shorten Life Span )==- http://www.donet.com/~moser/index.htm/PsychiatryKills.htm For the shocking evidence click the above links and prepare to be enlightened. <sigh Artie, can’t you come up with anything new? You’ve posted this before. Wrong, wrong, wrong, and also wrong. No, I have NOT posted that before

Oh, sure you did, Artie! On 01-11-2002 at 22:45:30 PST, you posted the following on ASAD: Proof Psychiatric Drugs Shorten Life-Span http://www.donet.com/~moser/index.htm/PsychiatryKills.htm For the never refuted facts about Psychiatric Drugs then see this link. What everyone should know about psychiatric drugs.

I’d start worrying about those memory gaps if I were you, Artie. When you post something less than a month ago, then forget you did it, why, that should be real cause for concern, IMO. Next you’ll forget who you are and start posting under names that aren’t your own. and I have the privilege to do it now. For the record, everything I have ever posted has been accurate and eventually proven to be true.

LOL! Why make such a statement when it’s easy enough for anyone to go into the google archives and check out your posting history and see that nothing you have posted has been accurate or true. I mean, if you’re going to lie, Artie, you ought to lie about something that can’t be so easily checked out. Everything Probert and his "pals" have posted have been called into question by those who are concerned with getting the facts right.

Well, that let’s you out. You’ve never been concerned about getting the facts right. And, you haven’t gotten one right yet, AFAICR. The site that you post as "proof" that psychiatric drugs shorten life span is nothing more than the personal page of some poor, disturbed soul. I do not agree that the person is disturbed or that he has some ax to grind. It seems a very well documented, reasoned and balanced presentation.

Of course, you would feel that way, Artie. Your deficient reading comprehension and lack of acumen has been amply demonstrated over the last five years in ASAD. You’re only decreasing your already negative credibility by posting "proof" like this. How low can you go?! My credibility with those that matter is very high,

You mean these individuals: Jerry Kolnick, Dr. Richard X. Frager, Art Wholeflaffer, Sir Arthur Wholeflaffer, Joseph Wholeflaffer, The Wholeflaffer Continuum and Sir Artio Wholeflafferio? I can’t imagine who else you might mean. thank you very much. Please remember, this is a support group and not some kind of pro-militaristic, nazi-state totalitarian grou that Mr. Probert would want. Maybe he will get World War 3 that he is lusting for and all people will be losers. I for one plan to work for a non-violent solutions to our problems, which includes so-called spin-dromes.

I’m leaving this in simply for its humor value. You really are too, too funny, Artie. But you need to get some new material. This is getting old. Nancy Unique, like everyone else

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is the undeniable and documentable proof that everything that I have written up to now is 100% correct!! That naturally scares the hell out of the Pro-Med faction of the Medical-Industrial Complex and it’s enforcers: The Iron-Fist Autocrats. Forced Drugging is Unconstitutional. Read the Truth About Psychiatric Drugs. -==( Proof Psychiatric Drugs Shorten Life Span )==- http://www.donet.com/~moser/index.htm/PsychiatryKills.htm For the shocking evidence click the above links and prepare to be enlightened. <sigh Artie, can’t you come up with anything new? You’ve posted this before. Wrong, wrong, wrong, and also wrong. No, I have NOT posted that before Oh, sure you did, Artie! On 01-11-2002 at 22:45:30 PST, you posted the following on ASAD: Proof Psychiatric Drugs Shorten Life-Span http://www.donet.com/~moser/index.htm/PsychiatryKills.htm

Talk about someone who really pays attention, well done, although it could just as easily be one of the many "phony posts" that my detractors posted. I stand by my statement, although I will double check my sources and let you know if your were right, which I seriously doubt. For the never refuted facts about Psychiatric Drugs then see this link. What everyone should know about psychiatric drugs. I’d start worrying about those memory gaps if I were you, Artie. When you post something less than a month ago, then forget you did it, why, that should be real cause for concern, IMO.

Thank you for your concern, but after all, this is a support newsgroup. Next you’ll forget who you are and start posting under names that aren’t your own.

That is an interesting hypothesis. and I have the privilege to do it now. For the record, everything I have ever posted has been accurate and eventually proven to be true. LOL! Why make such a statement when it’s easy enough for anyone to go into the google archives and check out your posting history and see that nothing you have posted has been accurate or true.

I encourage it, because like ex-Gov. of NY, Al Smith used to say, "Let’s look at the record." And of course, my record on ADD in exemplary. I mean, if you’re going to lie, Artie, you ought to lie about something that can’t be so easily checked out.

Let us not get down to the gutter level, please. Just because you are part of the Pro-Med crowd and I am not does not make either you or I a liar. And you are setting yourself up as some kind of neutral arbitrator, please!! Everything Probert and his "pals" have posted have been called into question by those who are concerned with getting the facts right. Well, that let’s you out. You’ve never been concerned about getting the facts right. And, you haven’t gotten one right yet, AFAICR.

Wrong, but that is your opinion, and the facts show everything I previously wrote on this group has come true! The site that you post as "proof" that psychiatric drugs shorten life span is nothing more than the personal page of some poor, disturbed soul. I do not agree that the person is disturbed or that he has some ax to grind. It seems a very well documented, reasoned and balanced presentation. Of course, you would feel that way, Artie. Your deficient reading comprehension and lack of acumen has been amply demonstrated over the last five years in ASAD.

Again another falsehood. My reading comprehension is suburb and my insights into this and other matters is profound and perceptive. You’re only decreasing your already negative credibility by posting "proof" like this. How low can you go?! My credibility with those that matter is very high, You mean these individuals: Jerry Kolnick, Dr. Richard X. Frager, Art Wholeflaffer, Sir Arthur Wholeflaffer, Joseph Wholeflaffer, The Wholeflaffer Continuum and Sir Artio Wholeflafferio?

Very funny. You should be in comedy. I can’t imagine who else you might mean.

Those that take an honest look at these matters and not an ultra-cynical one like yourself. thank you very much. Please remember, this is a support group and not some kind of pro-militaristic, nazi-state totalitarian grou that Mr. Probert would want. Maybe he will get World War 3 that he is lusting for and all people will be losers. I for one plan to work for a non-violent solutions to our problems, which includes so-called spin-dromes. I’m leaving this in simply for its humor value. You really are too, too funny, Artie. But you need to get some new material. This is getting old.

Fine, be that way if you must. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Nancy

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Of course it’s unconstitutional! Unless you’re a psychotic killer. IT’s either forced drugging or the proverbial foot. -==( Proof Psychiatric Drugs Shorten Life Span )==- http://www.donet.com/~moser/index.htm/PsychiatryKills.htm For the shocking evidence click the above links and prepare to be enlightened.

I generally don’t trust a document that tells me it’s shocking and espouses its many reasons for being valid within the first paragraph or two. It’s like a bad lie. Oooh…and it is.

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You’ve posted this before. The site that you post as "proof" that psychiatric drugs shorten life span is nothing more than the personal page of some poor, disturbed soul.

I have always wondered about this one….since none of us actually know how long our lives are "supposed" to be, how can we know if a certain action is decrease/increasing it? I would think that something that helps lessen ADHD would actually prolong the lives of individuals who are prone to risk-taking activities, who are prone to acting before thinking (yeah, looking both ways *before* crossing/pulling out into traffic will lessen chances of an early death)… I.e., my dad died before reaching 50, and he did not take any psychiatric drugs….I have aunts that did take antidepressants who are in their 80s…given "waffle’’s logic, then taking these meds extend life spans… (fwiw, Dad died of skin cancer) — Buny ——"Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal." ~ Albert Camus ——One size does NOT fit all, heck, one size don’t even fit MOST!

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Sounds like she is showing concerns for someone who is exhibiting inattentiveness (forgetting you posted something a month ago), impulsivity, (posting it again so soon), short fuse (angrily insisting that she is wrong that you did not-oops, you did post it last month)…all symptoms of ADHD…. — Buny ——"Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal." ~ Albert Camus ——One size does NOT fit all, heck, one size don’t even fit MOST!

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Thank you. I usually do have an excellent memory. although it could just as easily be one of the many "phony posts" that my detractors posted.

I am as certain as I can be that the 01-11-02 post is yours. After all, why would one of your detractors post information that you think is great? Seems to me that if they were trying to discredit you, they’d post information that you wouldn’t agree with. I stand by my statement, although I will double check my sources and let you know if your were right, which I seriously doubt.

You keep saying, "I’ll get back to you" in response to some of my questions and comments to you, but you never do. Why is that? For the never refuted facts about Psychiatric Drugs then see this link. What everyone should know about psychiatric drugs. I’d start worrying about those memory gaps if I were you, Artie. When you post something less than a month ago, then forget you did it, why, that should be real cause for concern, IMO. Thank you for your concern, but after all, this is a support newsgroup.

I am not a medical expert, but I think your posts, especially your more recent ones, show definite reasons for concern. I know I would be gravely concerned for a member of my own family if he/she had made similar posts. Seriously. Why don’t you print out your posts over the last several months and take them to your doctor? Next you’ll forget who you are and start posting under names that aren’t your own. That is an interesting hypothesis.

You don’t think this is a possibility? and I have the privilege to do it now. For the record, everything I have ever posted has been accurate and eventually proven to be true. LOL! Why make such a statement when it’s easy enough for anyone to go into the google archives and check out your posting history and see that nothing you have posted has been accurate or true. I encourage it, because like ex-Gov. of NY, Al Smith used to say, "Let’s look at the record." And of course, my record on ADD in exemplary.

ROTFL and L and L. Good one! What a great sense of humor! You know, Art, I think part of the problem with how you are received in ASAD is some people think you are serious about what you post. But based on comments like the last one, I am growing more and more sure that you’re just "pulling our legs" because you cannot be serious. I mean, if you’re going to lie, Artie, you ought to lie about something that can’t be so easily checked out. Let us not get down to the gutter level,

I hardly think expecting someone to post with integrity, and calling them on it when they don’t, is getting down to the gutter level. I’m trying to raise your moral standards to a respectable level. please. Just because you are part of the Pro-Med crowd

I’m not "pro-med," I’m pro-correct information. If you or anyone else can post information that would convince me that medication is not generally safe and effective in the treatment of ADHD, I’d change my opinion about medications. But that hasn’t happened yet. and I am not does not make either you or I a liar.

Ah, being anti-med doesn’t make you a liar. But lying about the results of studies, making up statistics, lying about other posters, claiming professional credentials for yourself you don’t have, those things make you a liar. And you are setting yourself up as some kind of neutral arbitrator, please!!

I am neutral in the sense that I am willing to look critically at all the information presented WRT ADHD and its treatment before I make a reasoned choice about whether it exists or how it should best be treated. Everything Probert and his "pals" have posted have been called into question by those who are concerned with getting the facts right.

There are probably few people as concerned with "getting the facts right" as I am. I am a stickler for factual accuracy. After verifying the information posted, I have found information posted by Mr. Probert to be accurate, but I have found information presented by you to be inaccurate. Well, that let’s you out. You’ve never been concerned about getting the facts right. And, you haven’t gotten one right yet, AFAICR. Wrong, but that is your opinion, and the facts show everything I previously wrote on this group has come true!

No!? Really? You predicted things like: The recent Johns Hopkins study for the State of Maryland showing that a much smaller percentage of children have been diagnosed with ADHD than people like you claim? The studies which concluded that ADHD might be underdiagnosed? The NIMH multimodal treatment study which concluded that ADHD children who were treated with medication had better outcomes than children who received intensive behavioral modification treatments but no medication? The scientific studies WRT "ADHD genes"? The site that you post as "proof" that psychiatric drugs shorten life span is nothing more than the personal page of some poor, disturbed soul. I do not agree that the person is disturbed or that he has some ax to grind. It seems a very well documented, reasoned and balanced presentation. Of course, you would feel that way, Artie. Your deficient reading comprehension and lack of acumen has been amply demonstrated over the last five years in ASAD. Again another falsehood. My reading comprehension is suburb and my insights into this and other matters is profound and perceptive.

So, when you chronically misstate the conclusions of studies or articles, or misquote or misuse statistics, you do so not because of a comprehension problem, but as a result of a deliberate intent to deceive? You’re only decreasing your already negative credibility by posting "proof" like this. How low can you go?! My credibility with those that matter is very high, You mean these individuals: Jerry Kolnick, Dr. Richard X. Frager, Art Wholeflaffer, Sir Arthur Wholeflaffer, Joseph Wholeflaffer, The Wholeflaffer Continuum and Sir Artio Wholeflafferio? Very funny. You should be in comedy.

You’re not the only one who can be funny, Art! I can’t imagine who else you might mean. Those that take an honest look at these matters and not an ultra-cynical one like yourself.

Is my newsreader not picking up all the posts in support of you? Because I don’t see any. Nancy Unique, like everyone else

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is the undeniable and documentable proof that everything that I have written up to now is 100% correct!! That naturally scares the hell out of the Pro-Med faction of the Medical-Industrial Complex and it’s enforcers: The Iron-Fist Autocrats. Forced Drugging is Unconstitutional. Read the Truth About Psychiatric Drugs. -==( Proof Psychiatric Drugs Shorten Life Span )==- http://www.donet.com/~moser/index.htm/PsychiatryKills.htm For the shocking evidence click the above links and prepare to be enlightened. <sigh Artie, can’t you come up with anything new? You’ve posted this before. Wrong, wrong, wrong, and also wrong. No, I have NOT posted that before and I have the privilege to do it now. For the record, everything I have ever posted has been accurate and eventually proven to be true. Everything Probert and his "pals" have posted have been called into question by those who are concerned with getting the facts right.

Scared by the truth, eh? Cannot handle facts, eh? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The site that you post as "proof" that psychiatric drugs shorten life span is nothing more than the personal page of some poor, disturbed soul. I do not agree that the person is disturbed or that he has some ax to grind. It seems a very well documented, reasoned and balanced presentation. You’re only decreasing your already negative credibility by posting "proof" like this. How low can you go?! My credibility with those that matter is very high, thank you very much. Please remember, this is a support group and not some kind of pro-militaristic, nazi-state totalitarian grou that Mr. Probert would want.

You mean a Jew, such as myself, would want a Nazi state? Hmmm? Were you dropped on your head by a midwife?

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Let us not get down to the gutter level, please. Just because you are part of the Pro-Med crowd and I am not does not make either you or I a liar.

True. What makes you a liar is the content of what you type. Not one fact. And you are setting yourself up as some kind of neutral arbitrator, please!! Everything Probert and his "pals" have posted have been called into question by those who are concerned with getting the facts right. Well, that let’s you out. You’ve never been concerned about getting the facts right. And, you haven’t gotten one right yet, AFAICR. Wrong, but that is your opinion, and the facts show everything I previously wrote on this group has come true!

To paraphrase, You ain’t no Nostradamus… The site that you post as "proof" that psychiatric drugs shorten life span is nothing more than the personal page of some poor, disturbed soul. I do not agree that the person is disturbed or that he has some ax to grind. It seems a very well documented, reasoned and balanced presentation. Of course, you would feel that way, Artie. Your deficient reading comprehension and lack of acumen has been amply demonstrated over the last five years in ASAD. Again another falsehood. My reading comprehension is suburb and my insights into this and other matters is profound and perceptive.

*P*rofound and *p*erceptive. Sorry Artie, you cannot join the P culb.. You’re only decreasing your already negative credibility by posting "proof" like this. How low can you go?! My credibility with those that matter is very high, You mean these individuals: Jerry Kolnick, Dr. Richard X. Frager, Art Wholeflaffer, Sir Arthur Wholeflaffer, Joseph Wholeflaffer, The Wholeflaffer Continuum and Sir Artio Wholeflafferio? Very funny. You should be in comedy.

You thinks your altered egos are funny? I can’t imagine who else you might mean. Those that take an honest look at these matters and not an ultra-cynical one like yourself.

You would not recognize honesty. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thank you very much. Please remember, this is a support group and not some kind of pro-militaristic, nazi-state totalitarian grou that Mr. Probert would want. Maybe he will get World War 3 that he is lusting for and all people will be losers. I for one plan to work for a non-violent solutions to our problems, which includes so-called spin-dromes. I’m leaving this in simply for its humor value. You really are too, too funny, Artie. But you need to get some new material. This is getting old. Fine, be that way if you must.

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I stand by my statement, although I will double check my sources and let you know if your were right, which I seriously doubt. You keep saying, "I’ll get back to you" in response to some of my questions and comments to you, but you never do. Why is that?

Artie cannot find the way back. Too complicated.

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GET REAL. Get some professional help or something you’re fucking insane ok. Hell I don’t live my life perfectly and I don’t want to be perfect either. I’m just like any other person but I have to take my meds to manage in this life ok. I’m not thrilled about taking a mind altering drug either because of how my last med scared the shit out of me. Why don’t you pull your head out your ass and go irritate the education officials rather than bothering a bunch of struggling parents who are wondering what is going to happen to their kids eventually trying to help them with their homework make sure they eat properly and enough work to put clothes on their backs and shoes on their feet and then you go and tell them that they aren’t doing enough. Keeping yourself from wringing their necks when the school calls about something they did wrong is hard enough without adding inexperienced tired and overworked teachers that don’t get paid enough to put up with your bullshit or anyone’s for that matter. Add politicians who don’t give a fuck about anyone except themselves and their reelection campaign and you see why education is a mess. Here is the undeniable and documentable proof that everything that I have written up to now is 100% correct!! That naturally scares the hell out of the Pro-Med faction of the Medical-Industrial Complex and it’s enforcers: The Iron-Fist Autocrats. Forced Drugging is Unconstitutional. Read the Truth About Psychiatric Drugs. -==( Proof Psychiatric Drugs Shorten Life Span )==-

No it only seems longer without meds because it’s utter fucking torture.:) http://www.donet.com/~moser/index.htm/PsychiatryKills.htm For the shocking evidence click the above links and prepare to be enlightened.

No hope of that coming from a useless waste of space that despite the fact this person managed to acquire education we have yet to see this person put it to good use. In fact I doubt we ever will see an intelligent post from this person. — -Justyn Waters I never went to kindergarden so all I needed to know I learned from Shakespeare. You won’t survive long if you live in a Shakespearian tragedy. There are few human problems which can not be solved with the jucicious application of high explosives. (And if that doesn’t work, try duct tape) Reach out and byte someone:) -Compass Media

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As soon as you get some teachers that can teach then once they start teaching for a while then start bitching they are under paid. Teaching is supposed to be a community volunteer thing in the first place. Bi-Lingual Education is a total rip-off to the students and tax payer. Keep them oppressed keep them speaking wetback Spanish.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – GET REAL. Get some professional help or something you’re fucking insane ok. Hell I don’t live my life perfectly and I don’t want to be perfect either. I’m just like any other person but I have to take my meds to manage in this life ok. I’m not thrilled about taking a mind altering drug either because of how my last med scared the shit out of me. Why don’t you pull your head out your ass and go irritate the education officials rather than bothering a bunch of struggling parents who are wondering what is going to happen to their kids eventually trying to help them with their homework make sure they eat properly and enough work to put clothes on their backs and shoes on their feet and then you go and tell them that they aren’t doing enough. Keeping yourself from wringing their necks when the school calls about something they did wrong is hard enough without adding inexperienced tired and overworked teachers that don’t get paid enough to put up with your bullshit or anyone’s for that matter. Add politicians who don’t give a fuck about anyone except themselves and their reelection campaign and you see why education is a mess. Here is the undeniable and documentable proof that everything that I have written up to now is 100% correct!! That naturally scares the hell out of the Pro-Med faction of the Medical-Industrial Complex and it’s enforcers: The Iron-Fist Autocrats. Forced Drugging is Unconstitutional. Read the Truth About Psychiatric Drugs. -==( Proof Psychiatric Drugs Shorten Life Span )==- No it only seems longer without meds because it’s utter fucking torture.:) http://www.donet.com/~moser/index.htm/PsychiatryKills.htm For the shocking evidence click the above links and prepare to be enlightened. No hope of that coming from a useless waste of space that despite the fact this person managed to acquire education we have yet to see this person put it to good use. In fact I doubt we ever will see an intelligent post from this person. — -Justyn Waters I never went to kindergarden so all I needed to know I learned from Shakespeare. You won’t survive long if you live in a Shakespearian tragedy. There are few human problems which can not be solved with the jucicious application of high explosives. (And if that doesn’t work, try duct tape) Reach out and byte someone:) -Compass Media

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