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A long time ago, in a newsgroup far, far away… "Andy" <don…@springnet1.com> wrote: >1.  There is no convincing evidence that global warming is occurring.

Speaking strictly based on observations, there has been an increase in global temperature recently. While this may be attributed to several things, it seems to have occured concurrently with the increase of greenhouse gases. >2.  There is no convincing evidence that there is any connection between >global warming and greenhouse gases (including carbon dioxide).

That’s the point of greenhouse gases. Based on observations of these substances, it is found that they prevent heat from being radiated outside of the atmosphere. >3.  The greenhouse gases are a fundamental part of the biosphere, necessary >to all life, and industrial activity generates less than five percent of >them (maybe much less).

But small increases do have large effects on chaotic systems like climate. And small changes in climate has a huge effect on ecosystems. >4.  In the past, the place where I live has at times been under the polar >ice cap and at times been a tropical sea.  Geologists guess there have been >as many as twenty ice ages in the past and there may be as many as fifty >more in the future.

That doesn’t negate the possible damage done by means of global warming. >What did the ozone hole look like in the year 1000, when the earth was >warmer than it is now?  What did it look like 20,000 years ago, during the >last major ice age?  Who knows?

But the chemistry shows that the ozone layer can be destroyed by other chemicals and that there has been increased use of these chemicals which correspond to the worsening of the ozone depletion. >Why do we think 1965 or whatever is somehow the norm for the earth’s >climate?

Because we always need reference points to compare the state conditions in any system. Since we can’t go back to millions of years ago, we can only take a reference point that has been observed well enough. — Qui-Gon Jinn & Tonic It will be a hard life. One without reward, without remorse, without regret. A path will be placed before you, The choice is yours alone. Do what you think you cannot do. It will be a hard life. But you will find out… who you are. – Qui-Gon Jinn

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"Oxidation" <rusty1…@my-deja.com> writes: > "Andy" <don…@springnet1.com> wrote in message > news:Vqwy6.33958$K4.2538324@e420r-sjo2.usenetserver.com… > > I don’t like to get away from shyness, but in fairness to > > Mr. Bush, if you peek behind the Wizards of Oz who are creating > > the global warming hysteria and look at the actual science, you’ll > > notice some peculiar things. > "80% of all pollution is caused by trees" — Ronald Reagan, the > great ‘comedian’

Most frightening is the fact that his advisors actually thought, probably correctly, that the public was scientifically illiterate enough not to realize immediately the blatant absurdity of such a statement. > "Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant" — GW Bush > I’m not trying to start a flame war or anything, but anyone who > actually believes this ultra-rightwing propaganda is naive.  These > are the same people that believe the Holocaust didn’t happen.

What are your sources for these quotes, btw?  They don’t seem *too* far-fetched, but, you know, if you got them in a forwarded email or something they were probably just made up.  (Just checking). — I will play tetherball with your spleen.

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