Talk Cancer

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Not right or wrong.  Just a perspective.

Ha!   The troll is trolled.   Cool! It looks like you share with an inner circle of trusted friends and family  your castings.

Not really.   They read my stuff and wander off muttering under their breath.   Sometimes they’ll make me a cup of tea.   I think that’s a sign of their approval, don’t you? It also appears that your professional circle has placed on your shoulders a cloak of respectibility and a straitjacket of professional propriety.

That’s as good a definition of ‘a profession’ as I’ve ever come across.   I shall include that in a presentation someday, unattributed of course. Not that it matters to you, I wonder:  Would your professional peers look at you differently or judge you differently for the fun you’re having at rec.running?

Absolutely. Has your professional community been the recipient of your written or verbal repartee?

Oh yes.  People hate me in the Real World too. Only knowing the "per sonae" you speak through,  I don’t know if you’re retired and have this large amount of time to correspond with rec.running and other venues; or if you’re so organized and orderly that these free moments are refreshing and a rejuvenation to go back to your work renewed; or is it a Socratic journey of knowing yourself; or are you brilliant and need an outlet to share it with others so that they can be dazzled…and blinded….by your light?  I am reminded that when one is in the limelight, one is blinded to themself.

Apart from the retired element, a bit of all the others I guess. It’s not so much a question of ‘knowing yourself’, after all, what good is ‘knowing myself’ going to do me?   Could my love for self be any stronger? It’s more to do with finding out how I perform in new environments.   Where is the challenge in being an honest, worthy, contributor?   Someone called ‘Oz’ has that base covered.  So I try to make a home for myself as a troll that doesn’t use foul language, that attempts to argue sensibly using his chosen persona, that admits to his mistakes, and that works hard using all his resources to be the ‘most damned annoying’ troll on Usenet. I’m not there yet.   Mastering alt.support.childfree is my goal, rec.running my training ground.   Matters went badly awry in asc on my last two visits. Nice people got hurt, honourable souls were misused.   I can and will do better.   My ultimate goal is to take *one* person from connection through hatred and back to connection again, from being my friend prior to my trolling, through hating me as a troll, back to a working friendship. *If*, and it’s a big if, I can achieve that, then all the time and effort I’ve spent here over the past two years will have been worthwhile. There you are!   An answer to your question (or is it an answer to mine?). It’s all about manipulating relationships conducted by words alone. I end where it really begins:  my view of you is not  you; and your view of me is not me.

Oh, I think it is.   We all think ‘we’ are different from our external image, but are we really?   It’s entirely possible that the creature ‘Roger’ is indeed the most realistic expression of my personality I’ve ever permitted to appear.   Eeeew!   Scary! The arrival of the marine layer has started to clear away the smoky aftermath of confligration. While the fires continue to rage now being pushed up into the mountains and towards the desert,  Southern California begins to measure the aftermath.

Is that a cleverly worded analogy for recent events on rec.running or were you really referring to the firestorms? From the news coverage in the UK looks like you guys had a particularly nasty time.  I hope those you care about came through OK. Roger.

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What’s the point?  My webpage is listed in my signature, and it, and my posts, paint a pretty comprehensive picture.

Oh, OK. Hate to burst your bubble but I’d never visited your site until this morning, nor have you made any particular impact upon my memory via your posts.   So it would have been a genuine guess. However, having skimmed your site, I will confess to a deep and abiding resentment that you have somehow acquired the most stunning girl I have ever seen.   Not only is she amazingly beautiful, but she has a dress sense that would impress an inhabitant of Rome. May I make a suggestion?   If you do nothing else with your life, make sure you stick like glue to that woman.   Whatever her personality, I would live with the most evil woman in the world if she looked like that. You are a HORRIBLY fortunate man.   I envy you.   Deeply. Roger.

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Good point.  By the way, I recommend that you troll on some online games instead.  You get instant reaction, hence gratification.  This newsgroup trolling is so last century.

I am old.   My reaction speed is low.   I can barely keep up with the rec.runners. On and off for about 1 year or so with different identities.  I assume that your other handle is Bill Roger?  Yeah, you managed to troll me about 3 times I think.  You must have a lot of free time.

I’m not Bill Rodgers.  I prefer to call him Wobbot, a derivation of one of his previous personalities, "Mr Robottow".   He’s a rather strange character but in many ways quite likeable.   He does, however, possess a potty mouth. Frankly, I am not bothered by trolls here.  They are a lot less harmful than dogs chasing after me when I run.

You are one of the few rec.runners who see more danger in the real world than on their computer screen.   That makes you one of our first realists. Welcome! Roger.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why not?  It is free, quick and easy. And too much like hard work. The only thing that I don’t understand is why troll rec.running? ‘Cause I’m a runner? If I’m going to troll a group I might as well troll one where people occasionally say something that interests me.

Good point.  By the way, I recommend that you troll on some online games instead.  You get instant reaction, hence gratification.  This newsgroup trolling is so last century.  People are not that easily provoked here. You’ve not been around long, have you?

On and off for about 1 year or so with different identities.  I assume that your other handle is Bill Roger?  Yeah, you managed to troll me about 3 times I think.  You must have a lot of free time.  Maybe he just wanted a challenge, but then again he may just be stupid. Go with the latter

Frankly, I am not bothered by trolls here.  They are a lot less harmful than dogs chasing after me when I run. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Roger.

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There’s a challenge, analyzing someone who publically posts his real information.  Take on something a little tougher — why not tell [...] All a guess, of course, though it was fun.   Can I do you next?

What’s the point?  My webpage is listed in my signature, and it, and my posts, paint a pretty comprehensive picture. I’ve been active in online communities for a _long_ time – about eighteen years now.  When I was a wee, but bright, brat, it was pretty easy to cloak my insecurities behind the facade of someone a bit older and more knowledgable.  As I grew up a bit (yeah, yeah), I started to realize that what made me happiest was presenting myself honestly to the people with whom I interacted.  I figure that if there’s something I want to do for which I need to pretend to be someone else, then I should probably make sure I can do it myself. The difference is pretty simple – I like myself, and I wouldn’t change shoes with anyone.  Wouldn’t mind genetics that let me run like Paula Radcliffe, or a few more hours in the day to catch up all the things I don’t have time for, but in the grand scheme of things, that’s all little stuff.   -Dave — work: dga – at – lcs.mit.edu                   me:  angio – at – pobox.com       MIT Laboratory for Computer Science           http://www.angio.net/       (note that my reply-to address is vaguely despammed…)       bulk emailers:  I do not accept unsolicited email.  Do not mail me.

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"Ozzie Gontang" They thought about it for a minute and then one child asked his grandfather, "Which wolf will win?" The old Cherokee simply replied,  "The one you feed." Well done Oz, though I suppose the law of averages says you’re bound to get things right sometimes. Couldn’t you have let Andrew and I play a little longer?   He may have learnt something, as may I.   Now you’ve spoiled it for both of us. Roger.

Not right or wrong.  Just a perspective. I like the Zen perspective that praise or criticism are two sides of the same coin.    Often it is easier to be hooked by the deftly cast lure  of praise. With polarized glasses the fisherman sees where the fish are and knows that sooner or later one of the lures will snag an unsuspecting new fish to the stream, or  finally capture a momentarily distracted regular. It looks like you share with an inner circle of trusted friends and family  your castings.  It also appears that your professional circle has placed on your shoulders a cloak of respectibility and a straitjacket of professional propriety.   Not that it matters to you, I wonder:  Would your professional peers look at you differently or judge you differently for the fun you’re having at rec.running?  Has your professional community been the recipient of your written or verbal repartee? Only knowing the "per sonae" you speak through,  I don’t know if you’re retired and have this large amount of time to correspond with rec.running and other venues; or if you’re so organized and orderly that these free moments are refreshing and a rejuvenation to go back to your work renewed; or is it a Socratic journey of knowing yourself; or are you brilliant and need an outlet to share it with others so that they can be dazzled…and blinded….by your light?  I am reminded that when one is in the limelight, one is blinded to themself. The reality for me is that it’s none of my business.  I believe that someone wrote a book:  What You Think of Me Is None of My Business. I just wonder, and go back to sharing some of my folklore on running, or some of the exercises that worked for preventing or  dealing with injuries, or playing with my minority view of proper running form and style. I end where it really begins:  my view of you is not  you; and your view of me is not me.   We and all the posters at rec.running are so much more.   Rec.running remains a marvelous, plastic and malliable fiction preserved in an ocean of electrons. We both cast into this pond of rec.running.  It is interesting to see what we catch and are nourished by.  It is also interesting to see if barbed or barbless hooks work better.  From my castings, I learn what works and doesn’t work for me.  I trust that the others like myself view themselves sometimes as fisher and sometimes as fish.  Both learning to survive to an age of seniority from all their experiences of living life fully….away from the screen and keyboard. The arrival of the marine layer has started to clear away the smoky aftermath of confligration. While the fires continue to rage now being pushed up into the mountains and towards the desert,  Southern California begins to measure the aftermath. Looks like the Julian 10K will not be run this coming Saturday. From the NY Times: The October Fires in California The fires demonstrate how the volatility and wildness of Southern California’s landscape can belie the apparent order of its subdivisions and suburbs. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/30/opinion/30THU5.html?th In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer – rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975 Mindful Running:   http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp http://www.faqs.org/faqs/running-faq/

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not so.  i see you as nothing other than a figure that presents a personality you don’t in RL living vicariously on a ng… Yes, that’s true.  It’s fun.  Want to join in?

No it is moral cowardice. It also porves you are not a medical person as it violates your oaths. Those oaths mean something in all parts of life. or your fulfilling a need on this ng w/this personality of yours you are not able to fulfill in RL. Quite possibly.   Tell me, doctor, is this wrong?

I thought you were a doctor. Maybe you could heal thyself. BAAAAAAWAAAAAHAHHHAAA. Alternatively, why live life as just one personality type?   I can be troll ‘Roger’ here, fatherly ‘Roger’ at home, professional ‘Roger’ at work.   We all have multiple personalities.  I’m a little more obvious in mine, that’s all.

Except fraser there is no child there is no profession there is only fraser the neturbator. You should get help. You should be proud enough to have escaped Callander. No, I’d be certifiable.   ‘Roger’ is a demented fool,

An admission of guilt.  full of cleverness He wishes. and stupidity.

Another admission.  He lacks compassion yet demands it from others.

Also proof you are not a medical person.   He is the very antithesis of Humanity.   And I love him so.

Do not get your screen sticky. I realise that boundaries exist in the Real World, if that’s what you mean. So I come where they’re wider to play.   Again, why is this wrong?

Because you damage others. It is called bullying. Maybe you should try reading the news about the results. You know about the suicides at Deepcut. This is an extreme example. But this is where your behaivor can lead. The yanks still speak in hushed tones about Colombine High School. i don’t fall for you roger, i pity you.  you’re no different than these people that have hidden second lives they live out on – line… Mine uses transparency to transcend fantasy.   It’s real because it’s unreal.   Yet another paradox to play with.

The only paradox is how you live with yourself knowing you are a pig.

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Why not?  It is free, quick and easy.

And too much like hard work. The only thing that I don’t understand is why troll rec.running?

‘Cause I’m a runner? If I’m going to troll a group I might as well troll one where people occasionally say something that interests me.  People are not that easily provoked here.

You’ve not been around long, have you?  Maybe he just wanted a challenge, but then again he may just be stupid.

Go with the latter Roger.

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not bad roger, close, but no surprise as i’ve disclosed much of what you

tapped on in this ng before and you missed on the ivy league  pal. but that’s no impressive badge imo…long time ago… Andrew, this may surprise you but I rarely read your posts.   Those were genuine guesses based on what you’ve written, and the way you’ve presented yourself, over the past couple of days. Sorry to have missed the Ivy League badge, or rather *you* should be sorry that you don’t present better. your rejoice in getting into a personality, and tormenting (being a troll)

on this ng "no holds barred".  you have no decency, respect or consideration for the group at large and the inclusion of an array of participants. That’s what a troll *does*.   I’m actually quite a mild and polite troll. I think that’s what makes me so effective. young kids come on here and you scare them off.

Name one.  Just one. women post a question and you’re crude and insulting to them.

I resent that, Andrew.   If you’re going to make specific allegations I suggest you have the courtesy to provide the evidence or withdraw your allegations and apologise.   Or do you work to the same values you seek to criticise? any wonder why few women (other than Teresa in Az for example) post around

here?  my goodness….as rude and crude as some of you trolls are?    don’t assume a newbie gets your little troll game and offensive character you play on the ng. you spoil the community by being offensive and annoying enough to completely innocent well meaning newbies.   how, why you take pleasure and amusement in that illustrates your profound immaturity and lack of consideration of the right of others to come on this ng and discuss running. i sense this is a result of you probably not being heard in your professional life….and well at least here….you make us here you.  in otherwords this is where you compensate for the shortcomings and the repression you have in your RL. Are you presenting this overview as your perception of me or as an analysis of all trolls?   I’m happy to speak for myself and defend my record.   I’m considerably less happy to defend the position taken by others. i don’t live any aspect of my life in shame roger.   you do.

<roger shakes head, stamps feet No, I don’t.  If I was concerned about how I may be judged by history, wouldn’t I ‘x-no-archive’ my posts? My alias is purely for professional reasons.   I have a fairly high profile within my profession and there is a certain public expectation regarding my behaviour.   Being a Usenet troll is not consistent with my public persona which – I might add – was manufactured by my profession NOT by me.   It kinda goes with the turf.   However, I am a real person who enjoys a diverse range of activities, one of which is playing here. Would you be more comfortable were I to follow the lifestyle espoused by some of my colleagues – engaging in extra-marital affairs, tax ‘evasion’, a certain ‘flexibility’  in their personal morals, etc, etc?   Would you find this understandable?   ‘Cause you sure as hell seem peeved by a simple Usenet troll. Yunno, I’m genuinely interested in characters such as yourself, Timmy, Ashby, and others.   You’re educated to an above-average level, you know I’m trolling, yet I still get under your skin and suck you into an argument. Why is that?   What is it that makes you want to confront me and ’set things to rights’?    Why don’t you simply shake your head and read the next post? I’m having fun doing this.   You’re not. because you’re inauthentic and disingenuous on this ng, you rule out the

possibility of meeting other participants on this ng at a regional race for example…and that’s your loss my friend. I have a real life, Andrew, I don’t need to seek new friends here.   Sure, there are some I would make an effort to meet ’cause I like the way they think, but if we’re destined never to meet then I won’t consider my life to have lacked value. next time you want to get in character and be rude or crude to a woman

here roger for example….remember that’s someone’s sister or daughter roger…will ya?…. Provide your evidence that I have been ‘rude or crude’ in a manner specific to women or withdraw your slur.   I think Oz has all my posts archived.  You could ask him to do a search when you fall short. Would you like me to insult you based on my unsubstantiated opinion of your ethnic background or sexual orientation?   I’m guessing not.   Play the game correctly Andrew, or you run the risk of steering your already leaky craft into deep and dangerous waters… and the ng has a chance to be enriched by another voice…

This newsgroup is graced by my presence.   What greater fortune could it seek? the ng is better off if you’re decent……

I am, Andrew.   Pity is, you can’t see that. Roger.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Your right, here we go again with the hackneyed woe is me, I’m gonna go eat worms….    Your game is growing very boring..yawn….. OK, it’s on again!. I’m betting on 24 hours. What about you, Doug ? I can’t believe that both of you have bought this.  More than likely it’s Bill up to his old tricks.  Why would Roger create a new email address just to say goodbye? Tim

Why not?  It is free, quick and easy.  The only thing that I don’t understand is why troll rec.running?  People are not that easily provoked here.  Maybe he just wanted a challenge, but then again he may just be stupid.

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There is plenty of room for you to go on playing J

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They thought about it for a minute and then one child asked his grandfather, "Which wolf will win?" The old Cherokee simply replied,  "The one you feed." Well done Oz, though I suppose the law of averages says you’re bound to get things right sometimes. Couldn’t you have let Andrew and I play a little longer?   He may have learnt something, as may I.   Now you’ve spoiled it for both of us. Roger.

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They thought about it for a minute and then one child asked his grandfather, "Which wolf will win?" The old Cherokee simply replied,  "The one you feed."

Well done Oz, though I suppose the law of averages says you’re bound to get things right sometimes. Couldn’t you have let Andrew and I play a little longer?   He may have learnt something, as may I.   Now you’ve spoiled it for both of us. Roger.

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not bad roger, close, but no surprise as i’ve disclosed much of what you tapped on in this ng before and you missed on the ivy league  pal. but that’s no impressive badge imo…long time ago…however to the point, i don’t need to live out an aspect of my life in secret ashamed of what others might think.  i also don’t live vicariously through an alias on the net.  in otherwords roger i live an authentic life 24/7/365.   that’s what you don’t do.   your rejoice in getting into a personality, and tormenting (being a troll) on this ng "no holds barred".  you have no decency, respect or consideration for the group at large and the inclusion of an array of participants.   young kids come on here and you scare them off.  women post a question and you’re crude and insulting to them.  and you take pride in that?   any wonder why few women (other than Teresa in Az for example) post around here?  my goodness….as rude and crude as some of you trolls are?    don’t assume a newbie gets your little troll game and offensive character you play on the ng. you spoil the community by being offensive and annoying enough to completely innocent well meaning newbies.   how, why you take pleasure and amusement in that illustrates your profound immaturity and lack of consideration of the right of others to come on this ng and discuss running.  i sense this is a result of you probably not being heard in your professional life….and well at least here….you make us here you.  in otherwords this is where you compensate for the shortcomings and the repression you have in your RL. i don’t live any aspect of my life in shame roger.   you do.   because you’re inauthentic and disingenuous on this ng, you rule out the possibility of meeting other participants on this ng at a regional race for example…and that’s your loss my friend.  life is about the human experience roger….enjoying it…encouraging it….not spoiling it.   when you’re rude and crude in character on this ng to a newbie, a kid, a woman….you’re spoiling the ng and that person’s individual experience here. next time you want to get in character and be rude or crude to a woman here roger for example….remember that’s someone’s sister or daughter roger…will ya?….and the ng has a chance to be enriched by another voice….or find you sufficiently rude enough to go away.   the ng is better off if you’re decent……

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[[ This message was both posted and mailed: see    the "To," "Cc," and "Newsgroups" headers for details. ]] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  We all have multiple personalities.  I’m a little more obvious in mine, that’s all. ___ no, this is where you’re wrong roger.   you’re too ashamed w/self to expose this aspect of your life with anyone.   i am sure no one in your family or professional like knows this aspect of your character and you don’t want them to know about it.   it’s wrong and unhealthy when you live a lie.   that’s what you do.   that’s the answer to your question, you are not authentic with people, family, friends, co-workers, etc.   we don’t all live lies roger.    we don’t all have a repressed side of who we are that we feel the need to live out (as long as we can do it in anonymity) on the net.

Global, I can only speak for myself.  Roger/Jo/Frasier/Syndens  is someone who may have used rec.running to do the research and character development for a manuscript.  I don’t even know the truth of that. The person writing behind the various pseudonyms writes well and hooks people.  Actually he doesn’t hook people in, people choose to bite and then often go unconscious as they project upon the writer those things one doesn’t want to examine within oneself. I have found that rather than an "I resent that comment" I could say "I represent that comment." We’ve talked about  this before around here:  all convesations are with myself and they happen to involve other people a good deal of the time. For me,  what is written, thought or spoken by someone says more about the one thinking, writting or speaking than it says about what or who is being thought about, written or spoken about. Whatever I feed grows. The following was passed on to my by a dear running friend who is now more of a biker and also has taken again playing music.  He lost his wife over a year ago to pancreatic cancer.  He is a grounded soul with a mind trained through the discipline of nuclear physics.  It talks to me and may speak to you, and it may speak to rec.running or any newsgroup  when one goes unconscious and bites on the lure of a troll fishing for a nice thoughtful repast and a wetted appetite for repartee. An elder Cherokee Native American was teaching his grandchildren about life. He said to them, "A fight is going on inside me.  It is a terrible fight  and it is between two wolves. One wolf represents fear, anger, arrogance, envy, ego, greed, self-pity, guilt, resentment, lies, and false pride. The other stands for forgiveness, truth, love, serenity, hope, humility,  generosity, kindness, compassion and joy. This same fight is going on inside you, and inside every other person, too." They thought about it for a minute and then one child asked his grandfather, "Which wolf will win?" The old Cherokee simply replied,  "The one you feed."  ’The only basis for living is believing in life, loving it, and   applying the whole force of one’s intellect to know it better.’   — Emile Zola In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer – rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975 Mindful Running:   http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp http://www.faqs.org/faqs/running-faq/

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Then you’re missing out on a heap of fun. You’ve attempted to psychoanalyse me, can I have a shot at you?  You: Were educated past High School but not to Ivy League level. [...] Just give me a score.   So many out of 8.

There’s a challenge, analyzing someone who publically posts his real information.  Take on something a little tougher — why not tell us all about dear Wobbot, since he’s a bit more adept at maintaining anonymity than those of us who don’t cloak ourselves.   -Dave — work: dga – at – lcs.mit.edu                   me:  angio – at – pobox.com       MIT Laboratory for Computer Science           http://www.angio.net/       (note that my reply-to address is vaguely despammed…)       bulk emailers:  I do not accept unsolicited email.  Do not mail me.

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There’s a challenge, analyzing someone who publically posts his real information.  Take on something a little tougher — why not tell us all about dear Wobbot, since he’s a bit more adept at maintaining anonymity than those of us who don’t cloak ourselves.

Ah, that *is* a challenge.   To be honest everything would be a guess.  He’s a good troll.   Even when we were ‘friends’ he never let his guard slip. If I were to guess I’d say he was late 40’s, male, white, married/divorced, no kids (despite his protestations otherwise), educated to High School level, technical background, worked for a major company but was downsized and is still pretty pissed about it, currently works locally but in a menial job. As a person you’d find him bright, engaging, with a sound sense of humour yet somewhat aloof.  I’d imagine he was an athlete of some ability in the past although he rarely competed.   His running is currently limited by various minor ailments.   He is slightly overweight. All a guess, of course, though it was fun.   Can I do you next? Roger.

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not so.  i see you as nothing other than a figure that presents a

personality you don’t in RL living vicariously on a ng… Yes, that’s true.  It’s fun.  Want to join in? probably the result of being repressed in some manner in your childhood

How the hell did you know about my sister dressing me up as a girlie? or your fulfilling a need on this ng w/this personality of yours you are

not able to fulfill in RL. Quite possibly.   Tell me, doctor, is this wrong? you’re  too psychologically underdeveloped to understand life can be short

and it’s more rewarding to be genuine and authentic in RL and on an ng. Alternatively, why live life as just one personality type?   I can be troll ‘Roger’ here, fatherly ‘Roger’ at home, professional ‘Roger’ at work.   We all have multiple personalities.  I’m a little more obvious in mine, that’s all. if your RL personality was on par w/what you present here, I would think

you’re at least genuine and authentic. No, I’d be certifiable.   ‘Roger’ is a demented fool, full of cleverness and stupidity.   He lacks compassion yet demands it from others.   He is the very antithesis of normality.   And I love him so. you’re well educated, but repressed and thus under an alias come here and

be what you lack the authenticity and courage in character to be in RL. I realise that boundaries exist in the Real World, if that’s what you mean. So I come where they’re wider to play.   Again, why is this wrong? i don’t fall for you roger, i pity you.  you’re no different than these

people that have hidden second lives they live out on – line… Mine uses transparency to transcend fantasy.   It’s real because it’s unreal.   Yet another paradox to play with. Roger.

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 We all have multiple personalities.  I’m a little more obvious in mine, that’s all. ___ no, this is where you’re wrong roger.   you’re too ashamed w/self to expose this aspect of your life with anyone.   i am sure no one in your family or professional like knows this aspect of your character and you don’t want them to know about it.   it’s wrong and unhealthy when you live a lie.   that’s what you do.   that’s the answer to your question, you are not authentic with people, family, friends, co-workers, etc.   we don’t all live lies roger.    we don’t all have a repressed side of who we are that we feel the need to live out (as long as we can do it in anonymity) on the net.

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no, this is where you’re wrong roger.   you’re too ashamed w/self to expose this aspect of your life with anyone.   i am sure no one in your family or professional like knows this aspect of your character and you don’t want them to know about it.

<splutter My ‘work’ here has a wide and varied readership including my family and friends.  However, you are correct in that I wouldn’t care to share ‘Rogers’ personality with my professional colleagues.   They *definitely* wouldn’t see the funny side. it’s wrong and unhealthy when you live a lie.   that’s what you do. that’s the answer to your question, you are not authentic with people, family, friends, co-workers, etc.

If I believed anything of what I write I would agree with you.   I find this ‘Roger’ thing to be one of the most amusing and interesting games that’s flitted through my head in recent years. we don’t all live lies roger.

It’s only a lie if you deceive yourself.   I annoy folk who, despite knowing it’s a sham, simply can’t avoid making a response.   They need me we don’t all have a repressed side of who we are that we feel the need to

live out (as long as we can do it in anonymity) on the net. Then you’re missing out on a heap of fun. You’ve attempted to psychoanalyse me, can I have a shot at you?  You: Were educated past High School but not to Ivy League level. Work in a profession, but are not yourself a member of a professional body. Are from an ethnic minority. Are / were married, no kids. Work hard. Haven’t yet met all your personal goals. Tend to see life as black and white, or things as good / bad. Were raised in a one-parent family. Just give me a score.   So many out of 8. Roger.

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What’s more surprising is that Globaldisc fell Roger. ___ not so.  i see you as nothing other than a figure that presents a personality you don’t in RL living vicariously on a ng…probably the result of being repressed in some manner in your childhood or your fulfilling a need on this ng w/this personality of yours you are not able to fulfill in RL.   you’re  too psychologically underdeveloped to understand life can be short and it’s more rewarding to be genuine and authentic in RL and on an ng.  if your RL personality was on par w/what you present here, I would think you’re at least genuine and authentic.   but i doubt that.  you’re well educated, but repressed, and thus under an alias come here and be what you lack the authenticity and courage in character to be in RL.     i don’t fall for you roger, i pity you.  you’re no different than these people that have hidden second lives they live out on – line…..

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Your right, here we go again with the hackneyed woe is me, I’m gonna go eat worms….    Your game is growing very boring..yawn….. OK, it’s on again!. I’m betting on 24 hours. What about you, Doug ?

I can’t believe that both of you have bought this.  More than likely it’s Bill up to his old tricks.  Why would Roger create a new email address just to say goodbye? Tim

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I can’t believe that both of you have bought this.  More than likely it’s Bill up to his old tricks.  Why would Roger create a new email address just to say goodbye?

It’s a hotmail address.   *Anyone* can fake one of those. What’s more surprising is that Globaldisc fell for my staunch defence of my ‘friend’ Timmy in the ‘7 marathon guy’ thread.   As if. Roger.

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Dear RR, I want to apologize to everyone here (except Wobbott)for my piss-poor behaviour over these past few months. Now that my true ID has been revealed it doesn’t seem so funny anymore, knowing that at any moment someone may walk up to me and punch me in the mouth, thereby messing up my lovely profile.

You give yourself much to much credit.  Your just a insecure person that writes silly things with better sentance structure than most. So before I bid you all a farewell once again, let me tell you all what an extreme pleasure it was to get to know each and everyone of you, and until my next anonymous ID turns up, I bid you farewell.

Your right, here we go again with the hackneyed woe is me, I’m gonna go eat worms….    Your game is growing very boring..yawn….. — Doug Freese "Caveat Lector"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear RR, I want to apologize to everyone here (except Wobbott)for my piss-poor behaviour over these past few months. Now that my true ID has been revealed it doesn’t seem so funny anymore, knowing that at any moment someone may walk up to me and punch me in the mouth, thereby messing up my lovely profile. You give yourself much to much credit.  Your just a insecure person that writes silly things with better sentance structure than most. So before I bid you all a farewell once again, let me tell you all what an extreme pleasure it was to get to know each and everyone of you, and until my next anonymous ID turns up, I bid you farewell. Your right, here we go again with the hackneyed woe is me, I’m gonna go eat worms….    Your game is growing very boring..yawn…..

OK, it’s on again!. I’m betting on 24 hours. What about you, Doug ? Cheers, — Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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Dear RR, I want to apologize to everyone here (except Wobbott)for my piss-poor behaviour over these past few months. Now that my true ID has been revealed it doesn’t seem so funny anymore, knowing that at any moment someone may walk up to me and punch me in the mouth, thereby messing up my lovely profile. So before I bid you all a farewell once again, let me tell you all what an extreme pleasure it was to get to know each and everyone of you, and until my next anonymous ID turns up, I bid you farewell. Frazer/Roger/Jo

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