Talk Cancer

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snip…  As long as you continue claiming that most condoms are made with talc and posting articles about talc and cancer, without being able to provide any verifiable information about the *current* use of talc on condoms, you are lying to your audience.

Let alone the notion that there is any persuasive evidence that condoms with talc pose any serious threat for ANY kind of disease. Most of the talc/ovarian cancer material he has posted has been related to using daily amounts on the crotch for sweat. No links between condom use and any chemically-induced diseases. He’s just squealing and whining cause he wants to be an irresponsible fucker.                 George M. Carter

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FIRST THE LINK YOU PROVIDED DOES NOT WORK SECOND. Your source (yes, I found it) actually says something VERY DIFFERENT!!!!!!! http://www.fhi.org/en/RH/Pubs/booksReports/latexcondom/recresprior.htm

The link I provided works fine at Google but not at Talkabout. Some broken software at Talkabout has damaged the link by including the trailing ” as part of the URL. <http://fhi.org/en/RH/Pubs/booksReports/latexcondom/recentadvances.htm If that version of the link doesn’t work for you, try this one: http://fhi.org/en/RH/Pubs/booksReports/latexcondom/recentadvances.htm "Dry dusting powders help keep the rolled up latex condom from sticking to itself. To accomplish this, manufacturers have used cornstarch, talc, mica, calcium carbonate, silicon dioxide, magnesium carbonate, lycopodium, dry silicone and other powders, with cornstarch currently the most commonly used." Concerns were raised about condoms, talc and cancer over 10 years ago.  It would be remarkable if condom manufacturers hadn’t moved to alternatives.  As long as you continue claiming that most condoms are made with talc and posting articles about talc and cancer, without being able to provide any verifiable information about the *current* use of talc on condoms, you are lying to your audience. — David Canzi

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FIRST THE LINK YOU PROVIDED DOES NOT WORK

Who? What?  Which? SECOND. Your source (yes, I found it) actually says something VERY DIFFERENT!!!!!!! http://www.fhi.org/en/RH/Pubs/booksReports/latexcondom/recresprior.htm

LOL. No you didn’t. That’s the balanced, honest truth. YOU want to distort into an hysterical treatise to confirm your selfish and foolish desire to fuck without a condom. Pretty simple. I care less and less, given your willful foolishness, about whether that results in your early death from AIDS. I do care, though, about your victims at this point. Your delusional beliefs are dangerous, cruel and stupid. You need medical care. "…… new concerns are arising regarding allergic or other toxic reactions to various components of latex condoms such as vulcanization accelerators, latex proteins, spermicides and finishing powders." "* Studies are needed to evaluate the best lubricants to use in the manufacture of condoms. Evidence suggests that the right quantity, type and placement of lubricant is important for condom functionality, acceptability and safety. In addition, the added value and risk presented by spermicidal lubricants and by dry finishing powders (e.g. talc or cornstarch) should be critically examined."

I agree wholeheartedly with this. And in addition, we need effective microbicides. Meantime, condoms are extremely safe compared to most of the risks we face in life. E.g., spreading talcum powder routinely over the genital area? Even that is pretty low risk. Compared to acquiring an STD or HIV. So much for corn starch.

I see. A suggestion for research is sufficient to result in complete rejection. More impeccable logic! Wheee!! And that is from an organisation dedicated to promoting condoms.

Less so, these days, now that the anti-sex Bushies and psycho fundies are taking over and stripping the science and careful evaluation out of the NIH, PubMed, CDC, etc.                 George M. Carter

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FIRST THE LINK YOU PROVIDED DOES NOT WORK SECOND. Your source (yes, I found it) actually says something VERY DIFFERENT!!!!!!! http://www.fhi.org/en/RH/Pubs/booksReports/latexcondom/recresprior.htm "…… new concerns are arising regarding allergic or other toxic reactions to various components of latex condoms such as vulcanization accelerators, latex proteins, spermicides and finishing powders." "* Studies are needed to evaluate the best lubricants to use in the manufacture of condoms. Evidence suggests that the right quantity, type and placement of lubricant is important for condom functionality, acceptability and safety. In addition, the added value and risk presented by spermicidal lubricants and by dry finishing powders (e.g. talc or cornstarch) should be critically examined." So much for corn starch. And that is from an organisation dedicated to promoting condoms.

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Check with the condom industry trade association. They say the only change in formulation in the last few years is a slight modification in the vulcanizing agents formulated to decrease ‘on shelf’ vulcanization. They mention nothing about removing talc. Go ask them.

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As you have lost another debate I expect that is the best you can do. Pathetic fool.

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Check with the condom industry trade association.

Give us an URL.  The mere name "condom industry trade association" is useless for trying to find them on the web. Given your repeated failure to provide checkable evidence for your claim that most condoms are still made with talc, I can’t help but begin to suspect that you might not have any. Hey, look what I found: <http://fhi.org/en/RH/Pubs/booksReports/latexcondom/recentadvances.htm "Dry dusting powders help keep the rolled up latex condom from sticking to itself. To accomplish this, manufacturers have used cornstarch, talc, mica, calcium carbonate, silicon dioxide, magnesium carbonate, lycopodium, dry silicone and other powders, with cornstarch currently the most commonly used." — David Canzi

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"it is still used as a surface lubricant on the majority of condoms manufactured in the United States and abroad. Remarkably, the Food and Drug Administration never addressed the issue of talc on the surface of condoms, even though they required surgical glove manufacturers to remove all tales used in processing. The last 10 years has seen a dramatic increase in the use of condoms. If tale contributes to ovarian carcinoma and/or fallopian tube sclerosis, we predict a significant increase in the incidence of ovarian carcinoma and infertility due to the deleterious effects of condom talc. We do not advocate abandoning condom use. "

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"it is still used as a surface lubricant on the majority of condoms manufactured in the United States and abroad.

In 1995 that was written. So you’re distorting as well as exaggerating. Qulle surprise, M. du Merde! lol

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"[talc] is still used as a surface lubricant on the majority of condoms manufactured in the United States and abroad.

Those words were written in 1995. <http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3251b6add4ed5e7961bc07a627d3e000… What is the situation today? — David Canzi

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"n 1995 that was written. " So? What has changed? Idiot!

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The same. You know that.

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The same. You know that.

Dither! You are that.

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The same. You know that.

Having heard it only from you, I *don’t* know it. You quoted articles from 1995 saying most condoms are made with talc. It is now 2005.  What is the most recent journal article you can provide a reference for that says most condoms are still being made with talc? — David Canzi

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