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Chemo is next

admin — Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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My sister went through 3 rounds of chemo for her assortment of diseases. It really kicked her butt. Wish me luck.

From what many have described here about PC hormone therapy, chemo may be much less debilitating, especially in the long run. Any of them beat the ultimate effects of your mets. You sound strong and accepting of your plight (in the sense you’re fighting but not woe-is-me about it), which I think is critical to as good a future as can be expected with your numbers. Hang in there, fight back, and realize you’ve done all you can . . . which is more than I did with my younger case ("successful" surgery a year ago but no adjuvant hormone therapy). Best of luck. I.P.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi My latest PSA was 27.4 up from 6.9. I’ve been on hormone therapy for about 6 months. In that time the PSA went from 725.7 in March to a low of 6.6. Last month it was 6.9. Yesterday I had cat scans and a bone scan. The Oncologist wants to see if the cancer has spread to any new areas. Originally it had spread to spine, legs, ribs and sternum. A letter from the Urologist stated that he felt that I am a candidate for chemotherapy. They have taken me off Casodex. I had a 3 month Zoladex injection on Aug 1. This is very disappointing since I had hoped that the hormones would have worked for years. My thought was that by then they might have found a "cure". I expect a call from the Oncologist’s office for me to come in Monday. They would have the results of the scans by then and should have plan for a course of action. Chemo is something new to me and am not sure what to expect. I doubt if it is very pleasant. My sister went through 3 rounds of chemo for her assortment of diseases. It really kicked her butt. Wish me luck. Jim

good luck Jim. . Here’s to a relatively side effect free chemo experience. Lori

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Jim… we all send the best prayers and wishes your way. We all hope for the best. Ron B. Chicago

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Jim, You are in my prayers for good results. My mother is in the middle of big-time chemo following big time surgery for ovarian cancer. She’s done very well with it, and is planning trips she wants to go on when it done. Chemo is not always terrible. Those are the cases everybody hears about. Steve U

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I suspect it will kick your butt, but that you will survive it and get over it quickly. I am very sorry to hear that HT went refractive so quickly. — Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05 PSA .07 .05 .06 .05 non Illegitimi carborundum

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Hello Jim God bless you. I had had a very bad experience regarding Chemo in my father’s case. He was 68 when he recived five cycles of chemo. Cheom damaged his kidneys. According to another Oncologist Dr. Javed Malik (PAKISTAN) Chemo is not given to cancer Patients. I read in an article that taking green tea, good environment, tension free life, eating vegetables etc are good for handle Cancer. Please also consult other Oncologist. Regards Faraz

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Hello Jim, Life is a "crap shoot" I do wish you luck. I have no majic bullet other than being strong, and always fighting. Please never give in….. Always fight….. I know how it feels, but what else can a guy do. Love your wife, and children, and there children. John Loomis…..

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My best wishes to you and your family. I hope the chemo puts you in remission for a long time. If you are game for it, and if there are any available near you, you might also look into clinical trials of new experimental therapies. Two that we have read about that looked initially promising are phenoxodiol and a cancer vaccine (but its for treatment, not prevention.) There is a guide to clinical trials from the National Cancer Institute at: http://www.cancer.gov/clinicaltrials/findtrials Their basic trials search form is at: http://www.cancer.gov/clinicaltrials/ My personal experience in a clinical trial was very positive. The doctors I met were very knowledgeable, their examinations were more thorough than any I had ever had, and all of their treatment and followup care was completely free – paid for by their research funds. Best of luck to you. Alan

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Hi My latest PSA was 27.4 up from 6.9. I’ve been on hormone therapy for about 6 months. In that time the PSA went from 725.7 in March to a low of 6.6. Last month it was 6.9. Yesterday I had cat scans and a bone scan. The Oncologist wants to see if the cancer has spread to any new areas. Originally it had spread to spine, legs, ribs and sternum. A letter from the Urologist stated that he felt that I am a candidate for chemotherapy. They have taken me off Casodex. I had a 3 month Zoladex injection on Aug 1. This is very disappointing since I had hoped that the hormones would have worked for years. My thought was that by then they might have found a "cure". I expect a call from the Oncologist’s office for me to come in Monday. They would have the results of the scans by then and should have plan for a course of action. Chemo is something new to me and am not sure what to expect. I doubt if it is very pleasant. My sister went through 3 rounds of chemo for her assortment of diseases. It really kicked her butt. Wish me luck. Jim

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Update re: grief, depression and Cymbalta

admin — Wed, 18 May 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -So many of you were of great help to me the last I posted that I wanted to give you an update.

Welcome back, Beverly. I don`t think I was around much when you last posted. Thank God all my friends were! : ) I`m so glad to hear you putting such a positive spin on things! I keep hearing about Cymbalta. I`m so glad its helping. Take care, and post whatever you want to, whenever you want to! `yours. Bob "Hi there! Eric Stratton, Rush Chairman. Damn glad to meet ya." — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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So many of you were of great help to me the last I posted that I wanted to give you an update.

Thanks for sharing the good news, it seems you are doing much better and can cope better with life’s adverse events. Good for you! Philip At the time I was spiraling into an awful – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – depression after learning my good friend will not live much longer because of ovarian cancer. I told you about the death of my mother, another close friend, and a close friend’s 7 year old daughter. Well, after that post I saw the pdoc and switched to Cymbalta. So far I am very happy with this med. The depression has definitely lifted and the most amazing thing to me is the *calm* I feel often during the day. It is such a new feeling to me that I notice it immediately. I’m not taking a benzo but it’s a different kind of calm that a benzo gives anyway. I also saw a grief therapist at our hospital’s hospice. This woman is wonderful! She is compassionate without being "sicky sweet" and is well-educated; she’s always going to conferences and learning about the newest research about grief. She gave me some very specific exercises to do and I’ve been following through. I am seeing her again this Thursday. None of my life’s situations have changed; my friend is still dying (but thankfully is not in any pain at all), my son is still disabled, and my mom won’t be coming back to earth. But I’m feeling happy and hopeful….it’s just so amazing to me. I know that when my friend dies I’ll experience some intense grief, but I know this is normal and good, and I’ll have help. Another amazing thing is that after many, many years, my husband has finally learned how to help me and what to say and not say when I’m having rough times. I’m so very thankful for this group to come to when I need help and hope I can be helpful when I do post on occasion to others. Thanks and big hugs to ASAPM! Beverly

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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So many of you were of great help to me the last I posted that I wanted to give you an update. At the time I was spiraling into an awful depression after learning my good friend will not live much longer because of ovarian cancer. I told you about the death of my mother, another close friend, and a close friend’s 7 year old daughter. Well, after that post I saw the pdoc and switched to Cymbalta. So far I am very happy with this med. The depression has definitely lifted and the most amazing thing to me is the *calm* I feel often during the day.

Alot of your anxiety may have been secondary to your depression, Beverly. I’m glad to hear you’re feeling alot better. Antidepressants have pulled me out of a depression several times. Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Beverly, So glad to see you are doing well and the Cymbalta seems to be working for you. That feeling of "calm" is like a luxury…I hope it continues for you. smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So many of you were of great help to me the last I posted that I wanted to give you an update. At the time I was spiraling into an awful depression after learning my good friend will not live much longer because of ovarian cancer. I told you about the death of my mother, another close friend, and a close friend’s 7 year old daughter. Well, after that post I saw the pdoc and switched to Cymbalta. So far I am very happy with this med. The depression has definitely lifted and the most amazing thing to me is the *calm* I feel often during the day. It is such a new feeling to me that I notice it immediately. I’m not taking a benzo but it’s a different kind of calm that a benzo gives anyway. I also saw a grief therapist at our hospital’s hospice. This woman is wonderful! She is compassionate without being "sicky sweet" and is well-educated; she’s always going to conferences and learning about the newest research about grief. She gave me some very specific exercises to do and I’ve been following through. I am seeing her again this Thursday. None of my life’s situations have changed; my friend is still dying (but thankfully is not in any pain at all), my son is still disabled, and my mom won’t be coming back to earth. But I’m feeling happy and hopeful….it’s just so amazing to me. I know that when my friend dies I’ll experience some intense grief, but I know this is normal and good, and I’ll have help. Another amazing thing is that after many, many years, my husband has finally learned how to help me and what to say and not say when I’m having rough times. I’m so very thankful for this group to come to when I need help and hope I can be helpful when I do post on occasion to others. Thanks and big hugs to ASAPM! Beverly — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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surface lubricant on the majority of condoms manufactured in the United States

admin — Wed, 05 Jan 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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snip… As long as you continue claiming that most condoms are made with talc and posting articles about talc and cancer, without being able to provide any verifiable information about the *current* use of talc on condoms, you are lying to your audience.

Let alone the notion that there is any persuasive evidence that condoms with talc pose any serious threat for ANY kind of disease. Most of the talc/ovarian cancer material he has posted has been related to using daily amounts on the crotch for sweat. No links between condom use and any chemically-induced diseases. He’s just squealing and whining cause he wants to be an irresponsible fucker. George M. Carter

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FIRST THE LINK YOU PROVIDED DOES NOT WORK SECOND. Your source (yes, I found it) actually says something VERY DIFFERENT!!!!!!! http://www.fhi.org/en/RH/Pubs/booksReports/latexcondom/recresprior.htm

The link I provided works fine at Google but not at Talkabout. Some broken software at Talkabout has damaged the link by including the trailing ” as part of the URL.

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FIRST THE LINK YOU PROVIDED DOES NOT WORK

Who? What? Which? SECOND. Your source (yes, I found it) actually says something VERY DIFFERENT!!!!!!! http://www.fhi.org/en/RH/Pubs/booksReports/latexcondom/recresprior.htm

LOL. No you didn’t. That’s the balanced, honest truth. YOU want to distort into an hysterical treatise to confirm your selfish and foolish desire to fuck without a condom. Pretty simple. I care less and less, given your willful foolishness, about whether that results in your early death from AIDS. I do care, though, about your victims at this point. Your delusional beliefs are dangerous, cruel and stupid. You need medical care. "…… new concerns are arising regarding allergic or other toxic reactions to various components of latex condoms such as vulcanization accelerators, latex proteins, spermicides and finishing powders." "* Studies are needed to evaluate the best lubricants to use in the manufacture of condoms. Evidence suggests that the right quantity, type and placement of lubricant is important for condom functionality, acceptability and safety. In addition, the added value and risk presented by spermicidal lubricants and by dry finishing powders (e.g. talc or cornstarch) should be critically examined."

I agree wholeheartedly with this. And in addition, we need effective microbicides. Meantime, condoms are extremely safe compared to most of the risks we face in life. E.g., spreading talcum powder routinely over the genital area? Even that is pretty low risk. Compared to acquiring an STD or HIV. So much for corn starch.

I see. A suggestion for research is sufficient to result in complete rejection. More impeccable logic! Wheee!! And that is from an organisation dedicated to promoting condoms.

Less so, these days, now that the anti-sex Bushies and psycho fundies are taking over and stripping the science and careful evaluation out of the NIH, PubMed, CDC, etc. George M. Carter

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FIRST THE LINK YOU PROVIDED DOES NOT WORK SECOND. Your source (yes, I found it) actually says something VERY DIFFERENT!!!!!!! http://www.fhi.org/en/RH/Pubs/booksReports/latexcondom/recresprior.htm "…… new concerns are arising regarding allergic or other toxic reactions to various components of latex condoms such as vulcanization accelerators, latex proteins, spermicides and finishing powders." "* Studies are needed to evaluate the best lubricants to use in the manufacture of condoms. Evidence suggests that the right quantity, type and placement of lubricant is important for condom functionality, acceptability and safety. In addition, the added value and risk presented by spermicidal lubricants and by dry finishing powders (e.g. talc or cornstarch) should be critically examined." So much for corn starch. And that is from an organisation dedicated to promoting condoms.

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Check with the condom industry trade association. They say the only change in formulation in the last few years is a slight modification in the vulcanizing agents formulated to decrease ‘on shelf’ vulcanization. They mention nothing about removing talc. Go ask them.

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As you have lost another debate I expect that is the best you can do. Pathetic fool.

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Check with the condom industry trade association.

Give us an URL. The mere name "condom industry trade association" is useless for trying to find them on the web. Given your repeated failure to provide checkable evidence for your claim that most condoms are still made with talc, I can’t help but begin to suspect that you might not have any. Hey, look what I found:

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"it is still used as a surface lubricant on the majority of condoms manufactured in the United States and abroad. Remarkably, the Food and Drug Administration never addressed the issue of talc on the surface of condoms, even though they required surgical glove manufacturers to remove all tales used in processing. The last 10 years has seen a dramatic increase in the use of condoms. If tale contributes to ovarian carcinoma and/or fallopian tube sclerosis, we predict a significant increase in the incidence of ovarian carcinoma and infertility due to the deleterious effects of condom talc. We do not advocate abandoning condom use. "

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"it is still used as a surface lubricant on the majority of condoms manufactured in the United States and abroad.

In 1995 that was written. So you’re distorting as well as exaggerating. Qulle surprise, M. du Merde! lol

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"[talc] is still used as a surface lubricant on the majority of condoms manufactured in the United States and abroad.

Those words were written in 1995.

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"n 1995 that was written. " So? What has changed? Idiot!

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The same. You know that.

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The same. You know that.

Dither! You are that.

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The same. You know that.

Having heard it only from you, I *don’t* know it. You quoted articles from 1995 saying most condoms are made with talc. It is now 2005. What is the most recent journal article you can provide a reference for that says most condoms are still being made with talc? — David Canzi

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update to old post on whether to marry – 2005

admin — Tue, 04 Jan 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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Hi, I may be stretching the "so who cares?" factor, but here goes. I posted about a year ago on my debates regarding whether getting married was worth bothering with, especially the second time around. I got some food for thought, particularly on the legal aspects. I thought my common-law partner was completely terrified of the whole idea, whereas I was not. We are both divorced (or he is now as of Jan. 10; he was not then.) I know I agonized a lot over this question. A few months ago I was diagnosed with stage III ovarian cancer. After that I decided that getting married was maybe NOT such a big deal. After all, I have a great guy, what’s to feel sorry for myself for in that regard? Cancer kind of puts things in perspective. I don’t know if my being sick was the catalyst entirely or not, but last month on my 40th birthday, at a work Xmas party (we both work at the same place) he proposed to me in front of everyone. I accepted. It was terrific. It sort of goes to the idea that if you want something, you have to "let it go" in order for it to happen. We’re getting married in July. He says this plan had been in the works for some time (before illness), and his only question was "when and where" to ask. When I got sick he wondered whether to put it off until my chemo was done, or speed things up. He decided finally that there’s no time like the present. It sure cheered me up to no end. We both have wills now, and a contract that addresses our living arrangments (who owns what percentage of our home)and other assets. So it’s not all dresses and flowers, we *have* formalized things legally. Anyway I know I only post here infrequently, but I think that despite the unpleasant illness, the whole thing feels like a big happy ending to me, so I wanted to share a bit. Thank you. Susan

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"Susan" wrote in message

news:c4a343a7.0501041238.42a9e4b9@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > I may be stretching the "so who cares?" factor, but here goes. I > posted about a year ago on my debates regarding whether getting > married was worth bothering with, especially the second time around. I > got some food for thought, particularly on the legal aspects. I > thought my common-law partner was completely terrified of the whole > idea, whereas I was not. We are both divorced (or he is now as of Jan. > 10; he was not then.) I know I agonized a lot over this question. > A few months ago I was diagnosed with stage III ovarian cancer. After > that I decided that getting married was maybe NOT such a big deal. > After all, I have a great guy, what’s to feel sorry for myself for in > that regard? Cancer kind of puts things in perspective. I don’t know > if my being sick was the catalyst entirely or not, but last month on > my 40th birthday, at a work Xmas party (we both work at the same > place) he proposed to me in front of everyone. I accepted. It was > terrific. It sort of goes to the idea that if you want something, you > have to "let it go" in order for it to happen. We’re getting married > in July. > He says this plan had been in the works for some time (before > illness), and his only question was "when and where" to ask. When I > got sick he wondered whether to put it off until my chemo was done, or > speed things up. He decided finally that there’s no time like the > present. It sure cheered me up to no end. > We both have wills now, and a contract that addresses our living > arrangments (who owns what percentage of our home)and other assets. So > it’s not all dresses and flowers, we *have* formalized things legally. > Anyway I know I only post here infrequently, but I think that despite > the unpleasant illness, the whole thing feels like a big happy ending > to me, so I wanted to share a bit. > Thank you. > Susan

Congratulations. I wish you the best for your future. I also wish you the best in your immediate future in the battle against cancer. I am throwing one up for you. S

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"Susan" wrote:

> I don’t know > if my being sick was the catalyst entirely or not, but last month on > my 40th birthday, at a work Xmas party (we both work at the same > place) he proposed to me in front of everyone. I accepted.

I wish you *all the best* Susan.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Susan wrote: > Hi, > I may be stretching the "so who cares?" factor, but here goes. I > posted about a year ago on my debates regarding whether getting > married was worth bothering with, especially the second time around. I > got some food for thought, particularly on the legal aspects. I > thought my common-law partner was completely terrified of the whole > idea, whereas I was not. We are both divorced (or he is now as of Jan. > 10; he was not then.) I know I agonized a lot over this question. > A few months ago I was diagnosed with stage III ovarian cancer. After > that I decided that getting married was maybe NOT such a big deal. > After all, I have a great guy, what’s to feel sorry for myself for in > that regard? Cancer kind of puts things in perspective. I don’t know > if my being sick was the catalyst entirely or not, but last month on > my 40th birthday, at a work Xmas party (we both work at the same > place) he proposed to me in front of everyone. I accepted. It was > terrific. It sort of goes to the idea that if you want something, you > have to "let it go" in order for it to happen. We’re getting married > in July. > He says this plan had been in the works for some time (before > illness), and his only question was "when and where" to ask. When I > got sick he wondered whether to put it off until my chemo was done, or > speed things up. He decided finally that there’s no time like the > present. It sure cheered me up to no end.

I’m glad, and I think his timing was excellent. I’m so sorry to hear of your illness, Susan, and wish you better health and much happiness for the future. Good luck, Tai

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Why me?

admin — Mon, 07 Jun 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve posted a lot on here about meds and things. Now I’m getting hit with something I’m having trouble dealing with. My wife went to her doctor because her left leg was swollen. They did a few tests and immediately admitted her to the hospital. They gave her blood thinners to dissolve the clot. I found out later that the clot could have killed her if it had traveled to her brain or heart. At the hospital they did some routine x rays and found out that she has a 16" tumor on one of her ovaries. The surgery to remove the tumor is tomorrow at 5pm. If the tumor is non cancerous, they will have to remove 1 ovary. If it is cancer, they say they will have to do a complete hysterectomy. What do I do if I lose my wife? Chances are she will never be able to have children again. It makes me think a lot about the petty things that I have posted on here. I just hope that God sees it fit for her to live a full life. I would be lost without her. Please pray for her if you care to. Her name is Sherry. Hi Medmix, I’m so sorry about your wife. I am going through something similar myself, my mother has been diagnosed with inoperable, rare and fastly growing cancer of the liver and the spleen. All this on the tail of a major breakdown – I’d been hospitalized involuntarily for something like 3 weeks for mental stuff. I have voices in addition to anxiety and panic and depression. I’ve never been sicker mentally, and now this is happening to my mom who I am close to (I live with her in fact). I’m so sorry about your wife, and believe me I DO know how scary it is. I’m drinking for the first time in months and months tonight trying to drown out the feelings. – I hope you get some good news soon about your wife, ovarian cancer is very bad, but as it is with anything like that, there are exeptions to the rule, and maybe your wife will be one of them. I hope things can turn around for you. Sara ^..^< Piggy backing on Sara here. Medmix and dearest Sara, I truly hope that both of you get some kind of turn around good news. I know how hard it is, for you, Sara, and I can only imagine what it would be like if my spouse were ill, Medmix. (Please give Sherry your strength, as well of all of ours too)! My deepest prayers go out to the both of you in this time of need.

P.S. for Medmix… I had a tumor in my left ovary back in ‘95 (I’m 41 now). They went in (like a c-section) and ended up taking my entire ovary because the tumor was the size of a grapefruit. I was a size 2 back then, and I didn’t even know it!! Anyway, I recovered 100% and the tumor was non-cancerous. —

Important – responses needed

admin — Tue, 03 Feb 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 Hi I need a favor. I’ve been asked to speak at a workshop given by a branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I want to talk to them about the social problems/discrimination being caused by the "war on obesity" and all the recent publicity about how expensive we are to the economy and how we’re all going to die slow and expensive deaths. I want people to give me stories of things that have happened in the last year or so as a result of this increased anti-fat publicity. Of course, their names would not be used. I’m interested in anybody who was turned down for a job because of health/insurance concerns, anything painful that happened to a fat child, nasty remarks, etc. Of course, as usual I need this stuff right away. Anybody who wants to talk by phone instead of email can just send me an email with their number and I’ll call them at their convenience. I really need some back-up on this because without specifics I’ll be ignored. Thanks so much! Lynn McAfee Director, Medical Advocacy Council on Size & Weight Discrimination www.cswd.org Wow! Lots of idiots jumped on this thread, didn’t they? Just one that I see. Hello. You may want to take a look at my post called "The idiot FAQ" posted elsewhere in SSFA. Nobody wants to read any more of your idiocy than they have to, troll. It Partially Chronicles my battle with the idiots in this group. You mean the four year spanking you’ve received for running a virtual "fuckwit" bot? I committed the crime of saying that fat people should not be ridiculed and have been a target ever sense. No. You’ve been a target because you’ve a repulsive, rude and incredibly stupid human being who’s addicted to feeding the trolls. I don’t mind really but the idiots hurt a lot of other people who are more timid than myself. A touch of humility might improve your rabid cave-man appearance. I do not use remailers and I sign my posts with PGP. Jeez, you’d think someone gave a tiny shit and asked you to fart about yourself for 50 lines. If you would like to discuss further-you may want to contact me off line. My email works. Bobbi, cruise for dates elsewhere. You’re making us sick. Spinach

I rest my case. Thanks for proving my point. Could this cros-post list get any longer? LV Lady Veteran "I rode a tank and held a general’s rank when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank…" – -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil People who hide behind anonymous remailers and ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no motive but malice. —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: PGP 8.0 – not licensed for commercial use: www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBQCEr3ukoPZAZfLgsEQKNQACdHlK2IXDOd1KxFOpzKaS1GzBFYP4An0mH piFuhPM77a96hapd1x+LPI/X =F3MG —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Accounts Starting At $6.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com <<<<<<< The Worlds Uncensored News Source <<<<<<<<

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Hello, I would start with refutation of a supposition that fat people are expensive to the economy. Snip I would expect that on balance, obesity is nearly costless to the non-obese people.

You’ve missed the point. Lynn McAfee is not of the opinion that fat has consequences as far as health goes: http://www.cswd.org/medlynn.html She’s looking to gather fat discrimination stories to bolster fat acceptance, nothing more. Your theory, broadcast into fat acceptance groups, is probably going to start a nice flame war. Unless I miss my mark it may well be featured in her speech. Carmen

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I agree. Anyone with any health issue is going to cost a bit more. The problem of being overweight is quite a controllable one, too. The problem is, fat people have had diets shoved down their throats for so long and told they are somehow less of a human, that many people simply have their ears shut and minds closed, and I don’t blame them. I was one of those. However, being a "burden" on society is no excuse for the outright cruelty of which I’ve seen a fair number of fat people be the recipients. The decision to give one’s lifestyle a complete makeover is not an easy one, but it is a possible one. I’ve lost over 70 pounds in the last two years despite having hypothyroidism, so I don’t have the excuse of my glands anymore. And I did not take extreme measures to accomplish this. My weight loss was (initially) purely accidental, based on changing my WOE for *health reasons only*. I figured since I had a head start, I may as well keep on going. CM

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | Hi | | I need a favor. I’ve been asked to speak at a workshop given by a | branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I want to | talk to them about the social problems/discrimination being caused by the | "war on obesity" and all the recent publicity about how expensive we | are to the economy and how we’re all going to die slow and expensive | deaths. | Lynn McAfee | Director, Medical Advocacy | Council on Size & Weight Discrimination | www.cswd.org | We *are* expensive and probably *will* die slow and expensive deaths if we don’t lose weight.

Women are also expensive to society & corporations. WOmen are capable of being pregnant and cost companies in not only additional medical care that would not be applied to a singular male but also must swallow the impact of lost weeks of work continuity and short staffing caused by maternity leave. SO based on this somewhat warpeded form of logic–if you blame everything about a person’s body and the resultant costs on that person and society accepts no responsibility whatsoever, women can’t complain about being discriminated against in the workplace, since no one forces them to get pregnant and create a medical condition that will be expensive and incur costs on a business and their insurance carrier (which is a large part of the concept that fat people are expensive) Discrimination against obese is no different than discriminating against ugly or handicapped or race or sex or smoking. Quit whining and take some personal responsibility for your obesity as the rest of us are doing. Except for the very, very rare cases of genuine hormonal imbalances, we all have a measure of control over our weight, and what we put in our mouths. Let’s be honest here.

DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ::: Fat Acceptor: Age: Cause: ::: ::: Susan Mason 47 Unknown ::: Joy Hilbert 40 Post Operative Complications ::: Barb Colgin Vance Unknown Unknown ::: Leslie Dimaggio 60 Cancer ::: Ray Simpson 57 Diabetes ::: Rich Reynolds 40 Unknown ::: Lenore Levine 53-54 Ovarian Cancer ::: Deanna Warren early 30’s Natural Causes (According to NAAFA!) ::: ::: Fat acceptance kills. :: :: That is a wonderful post. Very poignant. What’s so wonderful and poignant about this post?

I’m not sure either. 3 have unknown causes of death, 2 cancer (I guess being fat causes cancer too), one is diabetes and the other is surgical. I guess a bunch of names strung together with younger ages of death is "poignant". I wonder if we collect a bunch of names of people who died doing stupid things we can have a "Stupidity kills" post. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I need a favor. I’ve been asked to speak at a workshop given by a branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I want to talk to them about the social problems/discrimination being caused by the "war on obesity" and all the recent publicity about how expensive we are to the economy and how we’re all going to die slow and expensive deaths. I want people to give me stories of things that have happened in the last year or so as a result of this increased anti-fat publicity. Of course, their names would not be used. I’m interested in anybody who was turned down for a job because of health/insurance concerns, anything painful that happened to a fat child, nasty remarks, etc. Of course, as usual I need this stuff right away. Anybody who wants to talk by phone instead of email can just send me an email with their number and I’ll call them at their convenience. I really need some back-up on this because without specifics I’ll be ignored. Thanks so much! Lynn McAfee Director, Medical Advocacy Council on Size & Weight Discrimination www.cswd.org

So you are content to just pig out and get fatter and allow your kids to be fat and that is OK with you? It’s been proven that fat people run health risks just by being fat and thus raise all of our collective insurance rates. I don’t have any problem with a fat person who is at least trying to diet and exercise, but don’t blame you laziness or lack of willpower on your genes or think that everyone has to agree that there is nothing wrong with you or your children being clinically obese.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I need a favor. I’ve been asked to speak at a workshop given by a branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I want to talk to them about the social problems/discrimination being caused by the "war on obesity" and all the recent publicity about how expensive we are to the economy and how we’re all going to die slow and expensive deaths. I would start with refutation of a supposition that fat people are expensive to the economy. I agree. Anyone with any health issue is going to cost a bit more. The problem of being overweight is quite a controllable one, too. The problem is, fat people have had diets shoved down their throats for so long and told they are somehow less of a human, that many people simply have their ears shut and minds closed, and I don’t blame them. I was one of those. However, being a "burden" on society is no excuse for the outright cruelty of which I’ve seen a fair number of fat people be the recipients. The decision to give one’s lifestyle a complete makeover is not an easy one, but it is a possible one. I’ve lost over 70 pounds in the last two years despite having hypothyroidism, so I don’t have the excuse of my glands anymore. And I did not take extreme measures to accomplish this. My weight loss was (initially) purely accidental, based on changing my WOE for *health reasons only*. I figured since I had a head start, I may as well keep on going. CM

The NAAFA wept. Spinach

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ——BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 Hi I need a favor. I’ve been asked to speak at a workshop given by a branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I want to talk to them about the social problems/discrimination being caused by the "war on obesity" and all the recent publicity about how expensive we are to the economy and how we’re all going to die slow and expensive deaths. I want people to give me stories of things that have happened in the last year or so as a result of this increased anti-fat publicity. Of course, their names would not be used. I’m interested in anybody who was turned down for a job because of health/insurance concerns, anything painful that happened to a fat child, nasty remarks, etc. Of course, as usual I need this stuff right away. Anybody who wants to talk by phone instead of email can just send me an email with their number and I’ll call them at their convenience. I really need some back-up on this because without specifics I’ll be ignored. Thanks so much! Lynn McAfee Director, Medical Advocacy Council on Size & Weight Discrimination www.cswd.org Wow! Lots of idiots jumped on this thread, didn’t they?

Just one that I see. Hello. You may want to take a look at my post called "The idiot FAQ" posted elsewhere in SSFA.

Nobody wants to read any more of your idiocy than they have to, troll. It Partially Chronicles my battle with the idiots in this group.

You mean the four year spanking you’ve received for running a virtual "fuckwit" bot? I committed the crime of saying that fat people should not be ridiculed and have been a target ever sense.

No. You’ve been a target because you’ve a repulsive, rude and incredibly stupid human being who’s addicted to feeding the trolls. I don’t mind really but the idiots hurt a lot of other people who are more timid than myself.

A touch of humility might improve your rabid cave-man appearance. I do not use remailers and I sign my posts with PGP.

Jeez, you’d think someone gave a tiny shit and asked you to fart about yourself for 50 lines. If you would like to discuss further-you may want to contact me off line. My email works.

Bobbi, cruise for dates elsewhere. You’re making us sick. Spinach

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I need a favor. I’ve been asked to speak at a workshop given by a branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I want to talk to them about the social problems/discrimination being caused by the "war on obesity" and all the recent publicity about how expensive we are to the economy and how we’re all going to die slow and expensive deaths.

Snip WHY did you insist on crossposting to the array of groups you did as opposed to multiposting? Any posts that you crosspost to a fat acceptance group and a diet group will almost certainly result in a flame war. In future please post to each group separately.

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ::: Fat Acceptor: Age: Cause: ::: ::: Susan Mason 47 Unknown ::: Joy Hilbert 40 Post Operative Complications ::: Barb Colgin Vance Unknown Unknown ::: Leslie Dimaggio 60 Cancer ::: Ray Simpson 57 Diabetes ::: Rich Reynolds 40 Unknown ::: Lenore Levine 53-54 Ovarian Cancer ::: Deanna Warren early 30’s Natural Causes (According to NAAFA!) ::: ::: Fat acceptance kills. :: :: That is a wonderful post. Very poignant. What’s so wonderful and poignant about this post? That is one of the idiots. Probably a little fool named NR

LV Lady Veteran "I rode a tank and held a general’s rank when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank…" – -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil People who hide behind anonymous remailers and ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no motive but malice. —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: PGP 8.0 – not licensed for commercial use: www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBQCEGl+koPZAZfLgsEQLdGgCgzyB3Vv1ou8gW3lsVjTKAyS5gYtoAoMFH yZU8Usf4×8515paTQPfsC2VU =MU0k —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Accounts Starting At $6.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com <<<<<<< The Worlds Uncensored News Source <<<<<<<<

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:: Hello,

:: ::: I would start with refutation of a supposition that fat people are ::: expensive to the economy. :: Snip ::: I would expect that on balance, obesity is nearly costless to the ::: non-obese people. :: :: You’ve missed the point. Lynn McAfee is not of the opinion that fat :: has consequences as far as health goes: :: http://www.cswd.org/medlynn.html Since you posted this link, I’ve been at the site reading it. I admit that I haven’t read all of what she has written there, and probably won’t (I have other things to do). However, I’m not sure, based on what I’ve read so far, that Lynn really believes that being fat does not have consequences as far as health goes. I think her true point is different than that. I found this statement: HERE ARE A FEW OF HER TRUTHS: 1) I get to exist as I am, fat or thin, healthy or sick, without apology. 2) There is currently no way to make fat people thin. 3) The evidence of the biological superiority of extreme thinness is contro-versial and weak at best. 4) Evidence that most people can be healthy and not disabled at very high weights is also not there. 5) Thin people are not superior, nor are fat people. We are simply different. Our bodies and our experiences in society are different. 6)There are no helpful stereotypes I’m not sure I can honestly disagree with these statements (I think #5 is misworded), as they are worded. I also found this statement: "We are told that we have our ailments because we are fat and that if we lose weight, our medical problems will disappear. While weight loss may help many conditions, we are sometimes given diet advice instead of the testing or treatments we need." That would suggest to me that she indeed acknowledges that being overweight can cause medical problems. I think she is saying that fat people should not be put down simply because they are fat. I agree with this. Let’s face it, our society is too focused on "thinness" (I have to admit that I am too, btw). :: :: She’s looking to gather fat discrimination stories to bolster fat :: acceptance, nothing more. That’s very likely true, and I see no reason for society NOT to accept fat people as they are (even though I don’t wish to remain fat because I do believe there are health consequences, but I also believe it is my business if I cannot find it within myself to overcome my fatness in my lifetime) Your theory, broadcast into fat acceptance :: groups, is probably going to start a nice flame war. Unless I miss :: my mark it may well be featured in her speech. Very likely.

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We’re going to need a bigger boat. Of course, as usual I need this stuff right away. Anybody who wants to talk by phone instead of email can just send me an email with their number and I’ll call them at their convenience. I really need some back-up on this because without specifics I’ll be ignored. Thanks so much! Lynn McAfee Director, Medical Advocacy Council on Size & Weight Discrimination

Fat Acceptance Pioneer Death Toll Fat Acceptor: Age: Cause: Susan Mason 47 Unknown Joy Hilbert 40 Post Operative Complications Barb Colgin Vance Unknown Unknown Leslie Dimaggio 60 Cancer Ray Simpson 57 Diabetes Rich Reynolds 40 Unknown Lenore Levine 53-54 Ovarian Cancer Deanna Warren early 30’s Natural Causes (According to NAAFA!) Fat acceptance kills.

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::: Fat Acceptor: Age: Cause: ::: ::: Susan Mason 47 Unknown ::: Joy Hilbert 40 Post Operative Complications ::: Barb Colgin Vance Unknown Unknown ::: Leslie Dimaggio 60 Cancer ::: Ray Simpson 57 Diabetes ::: Rich Reynolds 40 Unknown ::: Lenore Levine 53-54 Ovarian Cancer ::: Deanna Warren early 30’s Natural Causes (According to NAAFA!) ::: ::: Fat acceptance kills. :: :: That is a wonderful post. Very poignant. What’s so wonderful and poignant about this post?

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Wow! Lots of idiots jumped on this thread, didn’t they? Hello. You may want to take a look at my post called "The idiot FAQ" posted elsewhere in SSFA. It Partially Chronicles my battle with the idiots in this group. I committed the crime of saying that fat people should not be ridiculed and have been a target ever sense. I don’t mind really but the idiots hurt a lot of other people who are more timid than myself. I do not use remailers and I sign my posts with PGP. If you would like to discuss further-you may want to contact me off line. My email works. thanks LV Lady Veteran "I rode a tank and held a general’s rank when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank…" – -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil People who hide behind anonymous remailers and ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no motive but malice. —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: PGP 8.0 – not licensed for commercial use: www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBQCECoekoPZAZfLgsEQITAgCg5dgxIVpgEHs51ehh5t0doJzTNucAoNnu iNRxuGgwS+N9zZ3GXeVlhn4G =5ID9 —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Accounts Starting At $6.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com <<<<<<< The Worlds Uncensored News Source <<<<<<<<

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When I saw this I thought this group may be the wrong place to ask for this input. – Bear — Grrrrrrrr : o) Began Lo-Carb Atkins/South Beach 1-26-04 297/284.5/210

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I need a favor. I’ve been asked to speak at a workshop given by a branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I want to talk to them about the social problems/discrimination being caused by the "war on obesity" and all the recent publicity about how expensive we are to the economy and how we’re all going to die slow and expensive deaths. I want people to give me stories of things that have happened in the last year or so as a result of this increased anti-fat publicity. Of course, their names would not be used. I’m interested in anybody who was turned down for a job because of health/insurance concerns, anything painful that happened to a fat child, nasty remarks, etc. Of course, as usual I need this stuff right away. Anybody who wants to talk by phone instead of email can just send me an email with their number and I’ll call them at their convenience. I really need some back-up on this because without specifics I’ll be ignored. Thanks so much! Lynn McAfee Director, Medical Advocacy Council on Size & Weight Discrimination www.cswd.org

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I found your smoking analogy to be very interesting. This evening I was listening to a radio talk show out of Richmond, VA. They were discussing a proposed new $1.00/pack state "sin tax" on cigarettes to help balance the state’s $1billion deficit. Of course, all the smokers were calling in and saying how unfair it was, and how they’re being disriminated against. One smoker suggested that if they add the tax to cigarettes, they should also add a $1 tax to Big Macs and Whoppers so that the fat people have to pay for their sin also! He had a point … Actually, the fast food tax should be on the french fries, onion rings, supersize drinks, chocolate shakes, and the bun if you order it. Otherwise, what’s wrong with Big Macs and Whoppers? (Note, I’m responding from the low-carb ng.)

No! Chocolate is heart healthy! Tax the fries and onion rings but leave the chocolate alone! — jmk in NC

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Fat Acceptor: Age: Cause: Susan Mason 47 Unknown Joy Hilbert 40 Post Operative Complications Barb Colgin Vance Unknown Unknown Leslie Dimaggio 60 Cancer Ray Simpson 57 Diabetes Rich Reynolds 40 Unknown Lenore Levine 53-54 Ovarian Cancer Deanna Warren early 30’s Natural Causes (According to NAAFA!) Fat acceptance kills.

That is a wonderful post. Very poignant.

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:: ::: Hi ::: ::: I need a favor. I’ve been asked to speak at a workshop given by a ::: branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I want to ::: talk to them about the social problems/discrimination being caused ::: by the "war on obesity" and all the recent publicity about how ::: expensive we ::: are to the economy and how we’re all going to die slow and expensive ::: deaths. ::: :: :: Um, true, in general. :: :: ::: I want people to give me stories of things that have happened in the ::: last year or so as a result of this increased anti-fat publicity. Of ::: course, their names would not be used. I’m interested in anybody ::: who was turned down for a job because of health/insurance concerns, ::: anything painful that happened to a fat child, nasty remarks, etc. :: :: I don’t have anything like that, but people are mean to me all the :: time about smoking. They tell me I stink, that I’m gonna die, that :: smoking makes me look stupid, and they make comments like "why don’t :: you just quit?" but they have no idea of the pressure our society :: puts on people to smoke more and more, so it’s really not my fault :: that I smoke. It’s society’s fault that I smoke for making :: cigarettes so readily available. I am discriminated against in both :: housing and job situations, all those "roommate wanted" ads that say :: "non-smokers only" and there are very few places to work where I can :: smoke on the job. This society has a definite anti-smoking bias. Whew……when I read this the paragraph below was hidden from my sight. So can you imagine what I was thinking?!? I was really getting worried about you, Luna! :: :: See how silly that sounds? That’s how silly fat people sound when :: they talk about "anti-fat publicity." I don’t think it’s so bad :: living in a society that values health, think how much worse it :: could be, I mean, we could be into foot-binding or genital :: mutilation.

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| Hi | | I need a favor. I’ve been asked to speak at a workshop given by a | branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I want to | talk to them about the social problems/discrimination being caused by the | "war on obesity" and all the recent publicity about how expensive we | are to the economy and how we’re all going to die slow and expensive | deaths. | Lynn McAfee | Director, Medical Advocacy | Council on Size & Weight Discrimination | www.cswd.org | We *are* expensive and probably *will* die slow and expensive deaths if we don’t lose weight. Quit whining and take some personal responsibility for your obesity as the rest of us are doing. Except for the very, very rare cases of genuine hormonal imbalances, we all have a measure of control over our weight, and what we put in our mouths. Let’s be honest here. Discrimination agains size or weight is not the same as discrimination against race or sex — as much as we’d love to pass the blame for our obesity onto society. — Peter http://users.thelink.net/marengo begin 666 Calculator.lnk M`0“`!P““M““00“H$$““1““`P“`$%4( `0““`$,Z7%=)3D1/ M5U-<0T%,0RY%6$4“!H`+BY<+BY<+BY<+BY<+BY<+BY<0T%,0RY%6$4““` ` end

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| I don’t have anything like that, but people are mean to me all the time | about smoking. They tell me I stink, that I’m gonna die, that smoking | makes me look stupid, and they make comments like "why don’t you just | quit?" but they have no idea of the pressure our society puts on people to | smoke more and more, so it’s really not my fault that I smoke. It’s | society’s fault that I smoke for making cigarettes so readily available. I | am discriminated against in both housing and job situations, all those | "roommate wanted" ads that say "non-smokers only" and there are very few | places to work where I can smoke on the job. This society has a definite | anti-smoking bias. | | See how silly that sounds? That’s how silly fat people sound when they | talk about "anti-fat publicity." I don’t think it’s so bad living in a | society that values health, think how much worse it could be, I mean, we | could be into foot-binding or genital mutilation. | | Michelle Levin Michelle, I found your smoking analogy to be very interesting. This evening I was listening to a radio talk show out of Richmond, VA. They were discussing a proposed new $1.00/pack state "sin tax" on cigarettes to help balance the state’s $1billion deficit. Of course, all the smokers were calling in and saying how unfair it was, and how they’re being disriminated against. One smoker suggested that if they add the tax to cigarettes, they should also add a $1 tax to Big Macs and Whoppers so that the fat people have to pay for their sin also! He had a point … — Peter http://users.thelink.net/marengo

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I found your smoking analogy to be very interesting. This evening I was listening to a radio talk show out of Richmond, VA. They were discussing a proposed new $1.00/pack state "sin tax" on cigarettes to help balance the state’s $1billion deficit. Of course, all the smokers were calling in and saying how unfair it was, and how they’re being disriminated against. One smoker suggested that if they add the tax to cigarettes, they should also add a $1 tax to Big Macs and Whoppers so that the fat people have to pay for their sin also! He had a point …

Actually, the fast food tax should be on the french fries, onion rings, supersize drinks, chocolate shakes, and the bun if you order it. Otherwise, what’s wrong with Big Macs and Whoppers? (Note, I’m responding from the low-carb ng.) ~Stretch~

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: | Hi : | : | I need a favor. I’ve been asked to speak at a workshop given by a : | branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I want to : | talk to them about the social problems/discrimination being caused by the : | "war on obesity" and all the recent publicity about how expensive we : | are to the economy and how we’re all going to die slow and expensive : | deaths. : : | Lynn McAfee : | Director, Medical Advocacy : | Council on Size & Weight Discrimination : | www.cswd.org : | : We *are* expensive and probably *will* die slow and expensive deaths if we : don’t lose weight. Quit whining and take some personal responsibility for : your obesity as the rest of us are doing. Except for the very, very rare : cases of genuine hormonal imbalances, we all have a measure of control over : our weight, and what we put in our mouths. Let’s be honest here. : Discrimination agains size or weight is not the same as discrimination : against race or sex — as much as we’d love to pass the blame for our : obesity onto society. : — : Peter : http://users.thelink.net/marengo : Discrimination is discrimination and racism is racism, totally different. I do agree with you though we should and do need take personal responsibility, whatever our circumstances are. I’d never sue Macdonalds just cause I may have eaten one to many Big Macs. But we do have to remember that a person is a person is a person. If you hate fat and what it does to you fine, but one shouldn’t be hated or discriminated against "because" they are fat. Do you see the difference? All I’m saying is, you can hate my fat, but there’s no need to hate me because I’m fat. Monica Started 01/20/04 362/343/250 "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." - Samuel Johnson, (1709-1784) — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Um, true, in general. I want people to give me stories of things that have happened in the last year or so as a result of this increased anti-fat publicity. Of course, their names would not be used. I’m interested in anybody who was turned down for a job because of health/insurance concerns, anything painful that happened to a fat child, nasty remarks, etc.

I don’t have anything like that, but people are mean to me all the time about smoking. They tell me I stink, that I’m gonna die, that smoking makes me look stupid, and they make comments like "why don’t you just quit?" but they have no idea of the pressure our society puts on people to smoke more and more, so it’s really not my fault that I smoke. It’s society’s fault that I smoke for making cigarettes so readily available. I am discriminated against in both housing and job situations, all those "roommate wanted" ads that say "non-smokers only" and there are very few places to work where I can smoke on the job. This society has a definite anti-smoking bias. See how silly that sounds? That’s how silly fat people sound when they talk about "anti-fat publicity." I don’t think it’s so bad living in a society that values health, think how much worse it could be, I mean, we could be into foot-binding or genital mutilation. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Of course, as usual I need this stuff right away. Anybody who wants to talk by phone instead of email can just send me an email with their number and I’ll call them at their convenience. I really need some back-up on this because without specifics I’ll be ignored. Thanks so much! Lynn McAfee Director, Medical Advocacy Council on Size & Weight Discrimination www.cswd.org

– Michelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

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Piss off, you stupid fat fuck. — JC Eat less, exercise more. —

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Hi I need a favor. I’ve been asked to speak at a workshop given by a branch of the National Institutes of Health on Feb. 18th. I want to talk to them about the social problems/discrimination being caused by the "war on obesity" and all the recent publicity about how expensive we are to the economy and how we’re all going to die slow and expensive deaths. I want people to give me stories of things that have happened in the last year or so as a result of this increased anti-fat publicity. Of course, their names would not be used. I’m interested in anybody who was turned down for a job because of health/insurance concerns, anything painful that happened to a fat child, nasty remarks, etc. Of course, as usual I need this stuff right away. Anybody who wants to talk by phone instead of email can just send me an email with their number and I’ll call them at their convenience. I really need some back-up on this because without specifics I’ll be ignored. Thanks so much! Lynn McAfee Director, Medical Advocacy Council on Size & Weight Discrimination www.cswd.org

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Fat Acceptor Death Toll

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Fat Acceptor: Age: Cause: Susan Mason 47 Unknown Joy Hilbert 40 Post Operative Complications Barb Colgin Vance Unknown Unknown Leslie Dimaggio 60 Cancer Ray Simpson 57 Diabetes Rich Reynolds 40 Unknown Lenore Levine 54 Ovarian Cancer Deanna Warren early 30’s "Natural causes" How many more innocents must die because they don’t fit society’s idea of a beautiful person? — Steve

From the NY Times

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Susan Fein wrote: > x-no-archive: yes > In article <20030813210803.06755.00000…@mb-m03.aol.com>, > franken…@aol.comDONT (Frankenmel) writes: >>She is trying to sell her books here. > That’s a separate issue from her signature, though, Sharon. If someone has a > commercial interest, it actually protects other posters by alerting them to it. > Actual selling tactics are a different matter, but a sig line is perfectly > acceptable. > Susan

No it isn’t. It’s a sales tactic. Someone selling otc progesterone cream isn’t allowed to post her site here. A fraud posing a medical specialist isn’t allowed to sell her crap here either.

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>No it isn’t. It’s a sales tactic. Someone selling otc progesterone cream >isn’t allowed to post her site here. A fraud posing a medical specialist >isn’t allowed to sell her crap here either.

Actaully anyone is allowed to post here – it’s an unmoderated newsgroup. If someone puts a pot on the NG which is selling stuff/spam, it may well violate their ISP terms of service and it may result in having their account stopped, but technically, there’s nothing to stop anyone posting. Cheers, helen s ~~~~~~~~~~ This is sent from a redundant email Mail sent to it is dumped My correct one can be gleaned from h$**$*$el$**e$n$**$d$**$o$*$t**$$s$**$im$mo$ns*@a$**o$l.c$$*o$*m*$ by getting rid of the overdependence on money and fame ~~~~~~~~~~

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In article , Terri wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Priscilla Ballou wrote: > > In article , Terri > > wrote: > >>What exactly is a "urogynecologist" and how does one obtain > >>certification allowing one to bill oneself as one? > > You’ve never heard of a urogynecologist? There are several in the > > Boston area (well, we’re loaded with doctors of many kinds). IME, they > > tend to specialize in urinary incontinence and other urological problems > > of women. > > Priscilla > I’ve heard of gynecologists who specialize in female urology but they > must be board certified as both gyns and urologists. Gillespie is board > certified as neither, but she uses a title that suggests she is both.

You expressed ignorance of the field of urogynecology, so I gave you some information. That’s all. Has nothing to do with Gillespie. Priscilla

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -wafflyDIRTYcatLITTERhcsBOX wrote: >>No it isn’t. It’s a sales tactic. Someone selling otc progesterone cream >>isn’t allowed to post her site here. A fraud posing a medical specialist >>isn’t allowed to sell her crap here either. > Actaully anyone is allowed to post here – it’s an unmoderated newsgroup. If > someone puts a pot on the NG which is selling stuff/spam, it may well violate > their ISP terms of service and it may result in having their account stopped, > but technically, there’s nothing to stop anyone posting. > Cheers, helen s > ~~~~~~~~~~ > This is sent from a redundant email > Mail sent to it is dumped > My correct one can be gleaned from > h$**$*$el$**e$n$**$d$**$o$*$t**$$s$**$im$mo$ns*@a$**o$l.c$$*o$*m*$ > by getting rid of the overdependence on money and fame > ~~~~~~~~~~

Commercial posts are forbidden on any newsgroup that does not specifically allow them. Therefore such post violate usenet rules and therefore people who post such messages may lose their accounts. Technically, no one can prevent anyone from posting a commercial message to a newsgroup. However, members of the group can make such posters unwelcome, which is what Sharon was doing with her justified and timely anti-spam post.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Priscilla Ballou wrote: > In article , Terri > wrote: >>Priscilla Ballou wrote: >>>In article , Terri >>>wrote: >>>>What exactly is a "urogynecologist" and how does one obtain >>>>certification allowing one to bill oneself as one? >>>You’ve never heard of a urogynecologist? There are several in the >>>Boston area (well, we’re loaded with doctors of many kinds). IME, they >>>tend to specialize in urinary incontinence and other urological problems >>>of women. >>>Priscilla >>I’ve heard of gynecologists who specialize in female urology but they >>must be board certified as both gyns and urologists. Gillespie is board >>certified as neither, but she uses a title that suggests she is both. > You expressed ignorance of the field of urogynecology, so I gave you > some information. That’s all. Has nothing to do with Gillespie. > Priscilla

What you read as "ignorance of the field of urogynecology" was actually a question to this self-proclaimed specialiust to outline what credentials such a specialist needs to have – credentials she does not possess.

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Terri quoth: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Priscilla Ballou wrote: >> In article , Terri >> wrote: >>>Priscilla Ballou wrote: >>>>In article , Terri >>>>wrote: >>>>>What exactly is a "urogynecologist" and how does one obtain >>>>>certification allowing one to bill oneself as one? >>>>You’ve never heard of a urogynecologist? There are several in the >>>>Boston area (well, we’re loaded with doctors of many kinds). IME, they >>>>tend to specialize in urinary incontinence and other urological problems >>>>of women. >>>I’ve heard of gynecologists who specialize in female urology but they >>>must be board certified as both gyns and urologists. Gillespie is board >>>certified as neither, but she uses a title that suggests she is both. >> You expressed ignorance of the field of urogynecology, so I gave you >> some information. That’s all. Has nothing to do with Gillespie. >What you read as "ignorance of the field of urogynecology" was actually >a question to this self-proclaimed specialiust to outline what >credentials such a specialist needs to have – credentials she does not >possess.

Sounds like ignorance to me. What you said was: >>>>>What exactly is a "urogynecologist" and how does one obtain >>>>>certification allowing one to bill oneself as one?

Next time you don’t want to sound ignorant about something, I suggest you not ask what it is. Just an idea. Priscilla

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Terri wrote in news:bhefap$5v5$1@bob.news.rcn.net: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> When did you pass your state boards as a urologist? > What exactly is a "urogynecologist" and how does one obtain > certification allowing one to bill oneself as one? > According to the CA State Medical Board, it appears you still havent > cleared up that minor problem with suspension of your license. > Worthless and unnecessary medical procedures are "Dr." Gillespie’s stock > in trade according to an LA Times article published in Feb of 1998. > Transvaginal ultrasound, or any other kind of ultrasound is a really > lousy way to diagnose ovarian cancer. It is most definitely not > recommended by any reputable medical organization as an annual screening > test for ovarian cancer. Out of every 100 women who have a positive > ultrasound, one will have ovarian cancer. The other 99 get to undergo > exploratory surgery for benign cysts and artifacts. > The unfortunate truth is that there is no good test for ovarian cancer. > None.

Dog, Terri, you’re wonderful! What an investigator you are, and how lucky we are that you frequent this ng. Thanks for doing all that research. As for the .sig line, I come down on the side of those who feel it’s helpful in showing possible (in this case, certain) bias, but I also applaud Sharon for bringing it up. The discussion is helpful, especially to newbies who aren’t aware of these finer details. Well done all around. Chakolate

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>Therefore such post violate usenet rules and >therefore people who post such messages may lose their accounts.

Indeed, as I put in my reply – they might lose their ISP account. >Technically, no one can prevent anyone from posting a commercial message >to a newsgroup.

Indeed, as I put in my original reply. >However, members of the group can make such posters >unwelcome, which is what Sharon was doing with her justified and timely >anti-spam post.

Didn’t say her post wasn’t timely, etc., etc.. Cheers, helen s ~~~~~~~~~~ This is sent from a redundant email Mail sent to it is dumped My correct one can be gleaned from h$**$*$el$**e$n$**$d$**$o$*$t**$$s$**$im$mo$ns*@a$**o$l.c$$*o$*m*$ by getting rid of the overdependence on money and fame ~~~~~~~~~~

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On 11 Aug 2003 23:18:50 GMT, franken…@aol.comDONT (Frankenmel) wrote: >>From: Terri vl-hb…@erols.com >>Date: 8/11/03 4:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Where is the link to the article? I may be able to find it myself.

http://www.nytimes.com/pages/health/index.html I posted the index list, there are some other interesting articles too. Kathryn

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>From: Kathryn droz…@shaw.ca >Date: 8/11/03 5:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time >>Where is the link to the article? I may be able to find it myself. >http://www.nytimes.com/pages/health/index.html

Thanks! Sharon…………A warm toll-house cookie is an experience not unlike a religious epiphany.

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Priscilla Ballou wrote in message … > In article , Terri > wrote: > > Other tests are superfluous for other reasons. Feeling the ovaries in a > > pelvic exam is not a good way to find ovarian cancer, according to the > > Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality and the American College of > > Physicians; by the time a tumor can be felt, the cancer is probably too > > advanced for treatment to help. Not finding anything is not necessarily > > reassuring because small tumors cannot be felt anyway, the group adds." > What *is* a good way to find ovarian cancer? > Priscilla

Hello. Best way to find it is with transvaginal ultrasound. THis eliminates the "hand" technique which was horrible etc. As a urogynecologist I can attest to how much "guessing" is done by the manual exam. Every woman should have an annual trans vaginal ultrasound as part of the standard gyn checkup. Larrian Gillespie MD http://www.hormonediva.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->From: lgill…@interserv.com (Hormone Diva) >Date: 8/13/03 2:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Priscilla Ballou wrote in message >… >> In article , Terri >> wrote: >> > Other tests are superfluous for other reasons. Feeling the ovaries in a >> > pelvic exam is not a good way to find ovarian cancer, according to the >> > Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality and the American College of >> > Physicians; by the time a tumor can be felt, the cancer is probably too >> > advanced for treatment to help. Not finding anything is not necessarily >> > reassuring because small tumors cannot be felt anyway, the group adds." >> What *is* a good way to find ovarian cancer? >> Priscilla >Hello. Best way to find it is with transvaginal ultrasound. THis >eliminates the "hand" technique which was horrible etc. As a >urogynecologist I can attest to how much "guessing" is done by the >manual exam. Every woman should have an annual trans vaginal >ultrasound as part of the standard gyn checkup. >Larrian Gillespie MD >http://www.hormonediva.com

We don’t allow commercial promotion on this newsgroup. I’m sure your advice was meant well,but did you have to post your website too? Sharon…………A warm toll-house cookie is an experience not unlike a religious epiphany.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hormone Diva wrote: > Priscilla Ballou wrote in message … >>In article , Terri >>wrote: >>>Other tests are superfluous for other reasons. Feeling the ovaries in a >>>pelvic exam is not a good way to find ovarian cancer, according to the >>>Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality and the American College of >>>Physicians; by the time a tumor can be felt, the cancer is probably too >>>advanced for treatment to help. Not finding anything is not necessarily >>>reassuring because small tumors cannot be felt anyway, the group adds." >>What *is* a good way to find ovarian cancer? >>Priscilla > Hello. Best way to find it is with transvaginal ultrasound. THis > eliminates the "hand" technique which was horrible etc. As a > urogynecologist I can attest to how much "guessing" is done by the > manual exam. Every woman should have an annual trans vaginal > ultrasound as part of the standard gyn checkup. > Larrian Gillespie MD > http://www.hormonediva.com

When did you pass your state boards as a urologist? What exactly is a "urogynecologist" and how does one obtain certification allowing one to bill oneself as one? According to the CA State Medical Board, it appears you still havent cleared up that minor problem with suspension of your license. Worthless and unnecessary medical procedures are "Dr." Gillespie’s stock in trade according to an LA Times article published in Feb of 1998. Transvaginal ultrasound, or any other kind of ultrasound is a really lousy way to diagnose ovarian cancer. It is most definitely not recommended by any reputable medical organization as an annual screening test for ovarian cancer. Out of every 100 women who have a positive ultrasound, one will have ovarian cancer. The other 99 get to undergo exploratory surgery for benign cysts and artifacts. The unfortunate truth is that there is no good test for ovarian cancer. None.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Priscilla Ballou wrote: > In article , Terri > wrote: >>Other tests are superfluous for other reasons. Feeling the ovaries in a >>pelvic exam is not a good way to find ovarian cancer, according to the >>Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality and the American College of >>Physicians; by the time a tumor can be felt, the cancer is probably too >>advanced for treatment to help. Not finding anything is not necessarily >>reassuring because small tumors cannot be felt anyway, the group adds." > What *is* a good way to find ovarian cancer? > Priscilla

There’s no such thing.

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In article , Terri wrote: > What exactly is a "urogynecologist" and how does one obtain > certification allowing one to bill oneself as one?

You’ve never heard of a urogynecologist? There are several in the Boston area (well, we’re loaded with doctors of many kinds). IME, they tend to specialize in urinary incontinence and other urological problems of women. Priscilla

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In article <20030813184217.27503.00001…@mb-m24.aol.com>, suf…@aol.comnospam (Susan Fein) wrote: > x-no-archive: yes > In article <20030813172908.06755.00000…@mb-m03.aol.com>, > franken…@aol.comDONT (Frankenmel) writes: > >We don’t allow commercial promotion on this newsgroup. I’m sure your advice > >was > >meant well,but did you have to post your website too? > As I understand usenet protocol, a commercial signature is perfectly > acceptable, and alerts readers to possible poster bias.

Yup. What she said. Priscilla

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->From: Priscilla Ballou p…@world.std.com >Date: 8/13/03 6:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time >In article <20030813184217.27503.00001…@mb-m24.aol.com>, > suf…@aol.comnospam (Susan Fein) wrote: >> x-no-archive: yes >> In article <20030813172908.06755.00000…@mb-m03.aol.com>, >> franken…@aol.comDONT (Frankenmel) writes: >> >We don’t allow commercial promotion on this newsgroup. I’m sure your >advice >> >was >> >meant well,but did you have to post your website too? >> As I understand usenet protocol, a commercial signature is perfectly >> acceptable, and alerts readers to possible poster bias. >Yup. What she said.

She is trying to sell her books here. Sharon…………A warm toll-house cookie is an experience not unlike a religious epiphany.

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In article <20030813210803.06755.00000…@mb-m03.aol.com>, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - franken…@aol.comDONT (Frankenmel) wrote: > >From: Priscilla Ballou p…@world.std.com > >Date: 8/13/03 6:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time > >In article <20030813184217.27503.00001…@mb-m24.aol.com>, > > suf…@aol.comnospam (Susan Fein) wrote: > >> x-no-archive: yes > >> In article <20030813172908.06755.00000…@mb-m03.aol.com>, > >> franken…@aol.comDONT (Frankenmel) writes: > >> >We don’t allow commercial promotion on this newsgroup. I’m sure your > >advice > >> >was > >> >meant well,but did you have to post your website too? > >> As I understand usenet protocol, a commercial signature is perfectly > >> acceptable, and alerts readers to possible poster bias. > >Yup. What she said. > She is trying to sell her books here.

Yes, but that doesn’t change netiquette. Priscilla

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->From: Priscilla Ballou p…@world.std.com >Date: 8/13/03 6:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time >In article <20030813210803.06755.00000…@mb-m03.aol.com>, > franken…@aol.comDONT (Frankenmel) wrote: >> >From: Priscilla Ballou p…@world.std.com >> >Date: 8/13/03 6:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time >> >In article <20030813184217.27503.00001…@mb-m24.aol.com>, >> > suf…@aol.comnospam (Susan Fein) wrote: >> >> x-no-archive: yes >> >> In article <20030813172908.06755.00000…@mb-m03.aol.com>, >> >> franken…@aol.comDONT (Frankenmel) writes: >> >> >We don’t allow commercial promotion on this newsgroup. I’m sure your >> >advice >> >> >was >> >> >meant well,but did you have to post your website too? >> >> As I understand usenet protocol, a commercial signature is perfectly >> >> acceptable, and alerts readers to possible poster bias. >> >Yup. What she said. >> She is trying to sell her books here. >Yes, but that doesn’t change netiquette.

Technically,maybe. But she’s spamming nonetheless. Sharon…………A warm toll-house cookie is an experience not unlike a religious epiphany.

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Priscilla Ballou wrote: > In article , Terri > wrote: >>What exactly is a "urogynecologist" and how does one obtain >>certification allowing one to bill oneself as one? > You’ve never heard of a urogynecologist? There are several in the > Boston area (well, we’re loaded with doctors of many kinds). IME, they > tend to specialize in urinary incontinence and other urological problems > of women. > Priscilla

I’ve heard of gynecologists who specialize in female urology but they must be board certified as both gyns and urologists. Gillespie is board certified as neither, but she uses a title that suggests she is both.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Frankenmel wrote: >>From: Priscilla Ballou p…@world.std.com >>Date: 8/13/03 6:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time >>In article <20030813210803.06755.00000…@mb-m03.aol.com>, >>franken…@aol.comDONT (Frankenmel) wrote: >>>>From: Priscilla Ballou p…@world.std.com >>>>Date: 8/13/03 6:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time >>>>In article <20030813184217.27503.00001…@mb-m24.aol.com>, >>>>suf…@aol.comnospam (Susan Fein) wrote: >>>>>x-no-archive: yes >>>>>In article <20030813172908.06755.00000…@mb-m03.aol.com>, >>>>>franken…@aol.comDONT (Frankenmel) writes: >>>>>>We don’t allow commercial promotion on this newsgroup. I’m sure your >>>>advice >>>>>>was >>>>>>meant well,but did you have to post your website too? >>>>>As I understand usenet protocol, a commercial signature is perfectly >>>>>acceptable, and alerts readers to possible poster bias. >>>>Yup. What she said. >>>She is trying to sell her books here. >>Yes, but that doesn’t change netiquette. > Technically,maybe. But she’s spamming nonetheless.

Yes, she is. *And* claiming credentials she doesn’t have to make her stuff appear more authoritative. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sharon…………A warm toll-house cookie is an experience not unlike a > religious epiphany.

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In article , Terri wrote: > Other tests are superfluous for other reasons. Feeling the ovaries in a > pelvic exam is not a good way to find ovarian cancer, according to the > Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality and the American College of > Physicians; by the time a tumor can be felt, the cancer is probably too > advanced for treatment to help. Not finding anything is not necessarily > reassuring because small tumors cannot be felt anyway, the group adds."

What *is* a good way to find ovarian cancer? Priscilla

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Frankenmel wrote: >>From: Terri vl-hb…@erols.com >>Date: 8/11/03 4:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time > Where is the link to the article? I may be able to find it myself.

Try Google news – health section. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Annual Physical Checkup May Be An Empty Ritual >>Some interesting quotes: >>"It found no evidence, for example, that routine pelvic, rectal and >>testicular exams made any difference in overall survival rates for those >>with no symptoms of illness. >>It warned that such tests can lead to false alarms, necessitating a >>round of expensive and sometimes risky follow-up tests. And even many >>tests that are useful, like cholesterol and blood pressure checks, need >>not be done every year, it said in reports to doctors, policy makers and >>the public." >>and then there’s this: >>"Proponents of evidence-based medicine acknowledge that repeated tests >>like chest X-rays, electrocardiograms, rectal exams, pelvic exams, >>urinanalyses and blood work do occasionally find problems before >>symptoms emerge. But that does not make them necessary or even >>advisable, said Dr. David Atkins, the science adviser to the United >>States Preventive Services Task Force, an independent panel of experts >>that advises the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality. >>For example, Dr. Atkins said, urinanalysis can detect bacteria in the >>urine of 5 to 10 percent of women who have no symptoms of bladder >>infection. But when such patients were studied, it turned out there was >>no difference in the outcomes between women given antibiotics and those >>given placebos. >>Although the bacteria disappeared in most women’s urine after they began >>taking antibiotics, they often came back after the drugs were stopped. >>In the end, just as many patients in each group ended up with >>symptomatic bladder infections. The only difference was that the group >>of women who took antibiotics early on had more side effects. >>Other tests are superfluous for other reasons. Feeling the ovaries in a >>pelvic exam is not a good way to find ovarian cancer, according to the >>Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality and the American College of >>Physicians; by the time a tumor can be felt, the cancer is probably too >>advanced for treatment to help. Not finding anything is not necessarily >>reassuring because small tumors cannot be felt anyway, the group adds." > Sharon…………A warm toll-house cookie is an experience not unlike a > religious epiphany.

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>From: Terri vl-hb…@erols.com >Date: 8/11/03 4:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time

Where is the link to the article? I may be able to find it myself. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Annual Physical Checkup May Be An Empty Ritual >Some interesting quotes: >"It found no evidence, for example, that routine pelvic, rectal and >testicular exams made any difference in overall survival rates for those >with no symptoms of illness. >It warned that such tests can lead to false alarms, necessitating a >round of expensive and sometimes risky follow-up tests. And even many >tests that are useful, like cholesterol and blood pressure checks, need >not be done every year, it said in reports to doctors, policy makers and >the public." >and then there’s this: >"Proponents of evidence-based medicine acknowledge that repeated tests >like chest X-rays, electrocardiograms, rectal exams, pelvic exams, >urinanalyses and blood work do occasionally find problems before >symptoms emerge. But that does not make them necessary or even >advisable, said Dr. David Atkins, the science adviser to the United >States Preventive Services Task Force, an independent panel of experts >that advises the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality. >For example, Dr. Atkins said, urinanalysis can detect bacteria in the >urine of 5 to 10 percent of women who have no symptoms of bladder >infection. But when such patients were studied, it turned out there was >no difference in the outcomes between women given antibiotics and those >given placebos. >Although the bacteria disappeared in most women’s urine after they began >taking antibiotics, they often came back after the drugs were stopped. >In the end, just as many patients in each group ended up with >symptomatic bladder infections. The only difference was that the group >of women who took antibiotics early on had more side effects. >Other tests are superfluous for other reasons. Feeling the ovaries in a >pelvic exam is not a good way to find ovarian cancer, according to the >Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality and the American College of >Physicians; by the time a tumor can be felt, the cancer is probably too >advanced for treatment to help. Not finding anything is not necessarily >reassuring because small tumors cannot be felt anyway, the group adds."

Sharon…………A warm toll-house cookie is an experience not unlike a religious epiphany.

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Annual Physical Checkup May Be An Empty Ritual Some interesting quotes: "It found no evidence, for example, that routine pelvic, rectal and testicular exams made any difference in overall survival rates for those with no symptoms of illness. It warned that such tests can lead to false alarms, necessitating a round of expensive and sometimes risky follow-up tests. And even many tests that are useful, like cholesterol and blood pressure checks, need not be done every year, it said in reports to doctors, policy makers and the public." and then there’s this: "Proponents of evidence-based medicine acknowledge that repeated tests like chest X-rays, electrocardiograms, rectal exams, pelvic exams, urinanalyses and blood work do occasionally find problems before symptoms emerge. But that does not make them necessary or even advisable, said Dr. David Atkins, the science adviser to the United States Preventive Services Task Force, an independent panel of experts that advises the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality. For example, Dr. Atkins said, urinanalysis can detect bacteria in the urine of 5 to 10 percent of women who have no symptoms of bladder infection. But when such patients were studied, it turned out there was no difference in the outcomes between women given antibiotics and those given placebos. Although the bacteria disappeared in most women’s urine after they began taking antibiotics, they often came back after the drugs were stopped. In the end, just as many patients in each group ended up with symptomatic bladder infections. The only difference was that the group of women who took antibiotics early on had more side effects. Other tests are superfluous for other reasons. Feeling the ovaries in a pelvic exam is not a good way to find ovarian cancer, according to the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality and the American College of Physicians; by the time a tumor can be felt, the cancer is probably too advanced for treatment to help. Not finding anything is not necessarily reassuring because small tumors cannot be felt anyway, the group adds."

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MS saved my life/Ovarian Cancer

admin — Tue, 08 Jul 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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I recently had a friend die from ovarian cancer. She had an operation and chemo and was declared cancer free for about 4 l/2 years, and then it came back with a vengeance. Even though she was monitored regularly, it had become so virulent that it killed her quickly after that. I think we should get annual tests for all those cancers that can be found and treated early. Gaylan "Kathryn Cummings" wrote in message

news:U7cPa.5533$oN.233051@newsfeeds.bigpond.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yes, I had heard that, too. I was having spasmodic bleeding, so I fronted up > to my doc and got a shock when he said it wasn’t quite that simple!! So I > had the blood tests, ultrasound of all the area, then the gyno put me in to > have a ??? can’t remember what he called it, plus a curette; he did find 2 > small tumours but they were benign. > So I feel we can’t be too careful. > Kathryn > "Dangerous" wrote in message > news:3F0C20FA.163F7E4F@telus.net… > > I may be wrong but I was told that a simple blood test can detect some > > ovarian cancers. A c125 one , I think. My sister had ovarian cancer > > and she told me this. > > dora > > Kathryn Cummings wrote: > > > I have to be honest, when I knew of Debra’s plight, I took myself off to > the > > > doc also, just to get a definite checkup. > > > Ovarian cancer is very hard to dx from what I’ve been told. > > > Good luck, Debra, and thanks for giving us all a timely warning. > > > Kathryn > > > "Debra Blackwell" wrote in message > > > news:beee9i$93t$1@news.telapex.com… > > > > gee whiz… i’ve always looked for the good in any situation i’ve > found > > > > myself in. this is true with my MS as well. > > > > back in nov. 2002, my MS started getting worse. it got so bad, i > don’t > > > > remember all of it. there were bowel problems, bladder was worse > > > (painful) > > > > and my legs hurt so bad, i would cry. > > > > not to gross you guys out, but to help the women here… > > > > i started having a green discharge that turned out to be a normal > bacteria > > > > all women have, but it was over producing. the dr still thinks the MS > > > > caused this to happen collaterally. > > > > ironically, the MS would not let the medicne kill the bacteria. it > kept > > > > growing out of control. after one prescription of metro gel and then > 4 > > > > prescriptions of high dose oral metradonazole (sp?), it was still > getting > > > > worse. > > > > the dr ordered a trans-vaginal ultrasound just to look around in > there. > > > > well, guess what we saw? tumors all over my right ovary. i had a > CA-125 > > > > test that day and it came back elevated for cancer. > > > > dr called and said, "you have ovarian cancer". i did not know what to > > > say. > > > > i was so frightened and in shock, i wouldn’t let myself deal with it > for a > > > > couple days. i had recently had a friend die within 4 months of the > same > > > > finding. talk about scared… i was terrified. > > > > panic attacks came and soon i realized i had to get control of myself. > i > > > > thought, "shoot, i’ve battled this MS for 35 years and i will not let > > > cancer > > > > kill me". i started praying to God and a peace i can not explain came > > > over > > > > me. it calmed me and was very reassuring. i knew i would be alright, > no > > > > matter what happened. > > > > the surgery was may 6th and sure enough, it was for sure ovarian > cancer. > > > > the dr did a total hysterectomy, everything is gone. all the cancer > is > > > gone > > > > now and i have follow up bloodwork to continue. so far, i am cancer > free. > > > > although the dr felt the MS caused the bacteria to over produce, it > was in > > > > no way related to the cancer. if not for my MS, that cancer would > have > > > > grown until it was too late. > > > > ovarian cancer can cause one hell of an exacerbation. i would have > never > > > > dreamed the symptoms i was having were common to ovarian cancer. > > > > **i urge every woman here on this group, to look up ovarian cancer and > > > know > > > > it’s warning signs. a lot of them are just like MS** > > > > be informed and get a check-up. my next appt. with the dr wasn’t > until > > > this > > > > nov. 2003. i wouldn’t have been here by then. > > > > bottom line here is a good one. > > > > i can LIVE with MS. > > > > i can’t LIVE with ovarian cancer. > > > > ironically, my MS saved my life. > > > > debra > > > > — > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 – Release Date: 6/30/03 > > — > > When opportunity knocks…don’t miss the dance. > > DANCING THU LIFE > > http://urdangerous.tripod.com > > DANCING WITH MS > > http://www3.telus.net/dangerous/main.html > > DANCING ON WHEELS > > http://www3.telus.net/dangerous/wheels.html

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Yes, I had heard that, too. I was having spasmodic bleeding, so I fronted up to my doc and got a shock when he said it wasn’t quite that simple!! So I had the blood tests, ultrasound of all the area, then the gyno put me in to have a ??? can’t remember what he called it, plus a curette; he did find 2 small tumours but they were benign. So I feel we can’t be too careful. Kathryn "Dangerous" wrote in message

news:3F0C20FA.163F7E4F@telus.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I may be wrong but I was told that a simple blood test can detect some > ovarian cancers. A c125 one , I think. My sister had ovarian cancer > and she told me this. > dora > Kathryn Cummings wrote: > > I have to be honest, when I knew of Debra’s plight, I took myself off to the > > doc also, just to get a definite checkup. > > Ovarian cancer is very hard to dx from what I’ve been told. > > Good luck, Debra, and thanks for giving us all a timely warning. > > Kathryn > > "Debra Blackwell" wrote in message > > news:beee9i$93t$1@news.telapex.com… > > > gee whiz… i’ve always looked for the good in any situation i’ve found > > > myself in. this is true with my MS as well. > > > back in nov. 2002, my MS started getting worse. it got so bad, i don’t > > > remember all of it. there were bowel problems, bladder was worse > > (painful) > > > and my legs hurt so bad, i would cry. > > > not to gross you guys out, but to help the women here… > > > i started having a green discharge that turned out to be a normal bacteria > > > all women have, but it was over producing. the dr still thinks the MS > > > caused this to happen collaterally. > > > ironically, the MS would not let the medicne kill the bacteria. it kept > > > growing out of control. after one prescription of metro gel and then 4 > > > prescriptions of high dose oral metradonazole (sp?), it was still getting > > > worse. > > > the dr ordered a trans-vaginal ultrasound just to look around in there. > > > well, guess what we saw? tumors all over my right ovary. i had a CA-125 > > > test that day and it came back elevated for cancer. > > > dr called and said, "you have ovarian cancer". i did not know what to > > say. > > > i was so frightened and in shock, i wouldn’t let myself deal with it for a > > > couple days. i had recently had a friend die within 4 months of the same > > > finding. talk about scared… i was terrified. > > > panic attacks came and soon i realized i had to get control of myself. i > > > thought, "shoot, i’ve battled this MS for 35 years and i will not let > > cancer > > > kill me". i started praying to God and a peace i can not explain came > > over > > > me. it calmed me and was very reassuring. i knew i would be alright, no > > > matter what happened. > > > the surgery was may 6th and sure enough, it was for sure ovarian cancer. > > > the dr did a total hysterectomy, everything is gone. all the cancer is > > gone > > > now and i have follow up bloodwork to continue. so far, i am cancer free. > > > although the dr felt the MS caused the bacteria to over produce, it was in > > > no way related to the cancer. if not for my MS, that cancer would have > > > grown until it was too late. > > > ovarian cancer can cause one hell of an exacerbation. i would have never > > > dreamed the symptoms i was having were common to ovarian cancer. > > > **i urge every woman here on this group, to look up ovarian cancer and > > know > > > it’s warning signs. a lot of them are just like MS** > > > be informed and get a check-up. my next appt. with the dr wasn’t until > > this > > > nov. 2003. i wouldn’t have been here by then. > > > bottom line here is a good one. > > > i can LIVE with MS. > > > i can’t LIVE with ovarian cancer. > > > ironically, my MS saved my life. > > > debra > > > — > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 – Release Date: 6/30/03 > — > When opportunity knocks…don’t miss the dance. > DANCING THU LIFE > http://urdangerous.tripod.com > DANCING WITH MS > http://www3.telus.net/dangerous/main.html > DANCING ON WHEELS > http://www3.telus.net/dangerous/wheels.html

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I may be wrong but I was told that a simple blood test can detect some ovarian cancers. A c125 one , I think. My sister had ovarian cancer and she told me this. dora – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Kathryn Cummings wrote: > I have to be honest, when I knew of Debra’s plight, I took myself off to the > doc also, just to get a definite checkup. > Ovarian cancer is very hard to dx from what I’ve been told. > Good luck, Debra, and thanks for giving us all a timely warning. > Kathryn > "Debra Blackwell" wrote in message > news:beee9i$93t$1@news.telapex.com… > > gee whiz… i’ve always looked for the good in any situation i’ve found > > myself in. this is true with my MS as well. > > back in nov. 2002, my MS started getting worse. it got so bad, i don’t > > remember all of it. there were bowel problems, bladder was worse > (painful) > > and my legs hurt so bad, i would cry. > > not to gross you guys out, but to help the women here… > > i started having a green discharge that turned out to be a normal bacteria > > all women have, but it was over producing. the dr still thinks the MS > > caused this to happen collaterally. > > ironically, the MS would not let the medicne kill the bacteria. it kept > > growing out of control. after one prescription of metro gel and then 4 > > prescriptions of high dose oral metradonazole (sp?), it was still getting > > worse. > > the dr ordered a trans-vaginal ultrasound just to look around in there. > > well, guess what we saw? tumors all over my right ovary. i had a CA-125 > > test that day and it came back elevated for cancer. > > dr called and said, "you have ovarian cancer". i did not know what to > say. > > i was so frightened and in shock, i wouldn’t let myself deal with it for a > > couple days. i had recently had a friend die within 4 months of the same > > finding. talk about scared… i was terrified. > > panic attacks came and soon i realized i had to get control of myself. i > > thought, "shoot, i’ve battled this MS for 35 years and i will not let > cancer > > kill me". i started praying to God and a peace i can not explain came > over > > me. it calmed me and was very reassuring. i knew i would be alright, no > > matter what happened. > > the surgery was may 6th and sure enough, it was for sure ovarian cancer. > > the dr did a total hysterectomy, everything is gone. all the cancer is > gone > > now and i have follow up bloodwork to continue. so far, i am cancer free. > > although the dr felt the MS caused the bacteria to over produce, it was in > > no way related to the cancer. if not for my MS, that cancer would have > > grown until it was too late. > > ovarian cancer can cause one hell of an exacerbation. i would have never > > dreamed the symptoms i was having were common to ovarian cancer. > > **i urge every woman here on this group, to look up ovarian cancer and > know > > it’s warning signs. a lot of them are just like MS** > > be informed and get a check-up. my next appt. with the dr wasn’t until > this > > nov. 2003. i wouldn’t have been here by then. > > bottom line here is a good one. > > i can LIVE with MS. > > i can’t LIVE with ovarian cancer. > > ironically, my MS saved my life. > > debra > > — > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 – Release Date: 6/30/03

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I have to be honest, when I knew of Debra’s plight, I took myself off to the doc also, just to get a definite checkup. Ovarian cancer is very hard to dx from what I’ve been told. Good luck, Debra, and thanks for giving us all a timely warning. Kathryn "Debra Blackwell" wrote in message

news:beee9i$93t$1@news.telapex.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> gee whiz… i’ve always looked for the good in any situation i’ve found > myself in. this is true with my MS as well. > back in nov. 2002, my MS started getting worse. it got so bad, i don’t > remember all of it. there were bowel problems, bladder was worse (painful) > and my legs hurt so bad, i would cry. > not to gross you guys out, but to help the women here… > i started having a green discharge that turned out to be a normal bacteria > all women have, but it was over producing. the dr still thinks the MS > caused this to happen collaterally. > ironically, the MS would not let the medicne kill the bacteria. it kept > growing out of control. after one prescription of metro gel and then 4 > prescriptions of high dose oral metradonazole (sp?), it was still getting > worse. > the dr ordered a trans-vaginal ultrasound just to look around in there. > well, guess what we saw? tumors all over my right ovary. i had a CA-125 > test that day and it came back elevated for cancer. > dr called and said, "you have ovarian cancer". i did not know what to say. > i was so frightened and in shock, i wouldn’t let myself deal with it for a > couple days. i had recently had a friend die within 4 months of the same > finding. talk about scared… i was terrified. > panic attacks came and soon i realized i had to get control of myself. i > thought, "shoot, i’ve battled this MS for 35 years and i will not let cancer > kill me". i started praying to God and a peace i can not explain came over > me. it calmed me and was very reassuring. i knew i would be alright, no > matter what happened. > the surgery was may 6th and sure enough, it was for sure ovarian cancer. > the dr did a total hysterectomy, everything is gone. all the cancer is gone > now and i have follow up bloodwork to continue. so far, i am cancer free. > although the dr felt the MS caused the bacteria to over produce, it was in > no way related to the cancer. if not for my MS, that cancer would have > grown until it was too late. > ovarian cancer can cause one hell of an exacerbation. i would have never > dreamed the symptoms i was having were common to ovarian cancer. > **i urge every woman here on this group, to look up ovarian cancer and know > it’s warning signs. a lot of them are just like MS** > be informed and get a check-up. my next appt. with the dr wasn’t until this > nov. 2003. i wouldn’t have been here by then. > bottom line here is a good one. > i can LIVE with MS. > i can’t LIVE with ovarian cancer. > ironically, my MS saved my life. > debra > — > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 – Release Date: 6/30/03

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Theres a great , positive MS story! How lucky! Lo Debra Blackwell on 7/8/03 8:04 AM wrote in[ ARTICLE]: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> gee whiz… i’ve always looked for the good in any situation i’ve found > myself in. this is true with my MS as well. > back in nov. 2002, my MS started getting worse. it got so bad, i don’t > remember all of it. there were bowel problems, bladder was worse (painful) > and my legs hurt so bad, i would cry. > not to gross you guys out, but to help the women here… > i started having a green discharge that turned out to be a normal bacteria > all women have, but it was over producing. the dr still thinks the MS > caused this to happen collaterally. > ironically, the MS would not let the medicne kill the bacteria. it kept > growing out of control. after one prescription of metro gel and then 4 > prescriptions of high dose oral metradonazole (sp?), it was still getting > worse. > the dr ordered a trans-vaginal ultrasound just to look around in there. > well, guess what we saw? tumors all over my right ovary. i had a CA-125 > test that day and it came back elevated for cancer. > dr called and said, "you have ovarian cancer". i did not know what to say. > i was so frightened and in shock, i wouldn’t let myself deal with it for a > couple days. i had recently had a friend die within 4 months of the same > finding. talk about scared… i was terrified. > panic attacks came and soon i realized i had to get control of myself. i > thought, "shoot, i’ve battled this MS for 35 years and i will not let cancer > kill me". i started praying to God and a peace i can not explain came over > me. it calmed me and was very reassuring. i knew i would be alright, no > matter what happened. > the surgery was may 6th and sure enough, it was for sure ovarian cancer. > the dr did a total hysterectomy, everything is gone. all the cancer is gone > now and i have follow up bloodwork to continue. so far, i am cancer free. > although the dr felt the MS caused the bacteria to over produce, it was in > no way related to the cancer. if not for my MS, that cancer would have > grown until it was too late. > ovarian cancer can cause one hell of an exacerbation. i would have never > dreamed the symptoms i was having were common to ovarian cancer. > **i urge every woman here on this group, to look up ovarian cancer and know > it’s warning signs. a lot of them are just like MS** > be informed and get a check-up. my next appt. with the dr wasn’t until this > nov. 2003. i wouldn’t have been here by then. > bottom line here is a good one. > i can LIVE with MS. > i can’t LIVE with ovarian cancer. > ironically, my MS saved my life. > debra > — > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 – Release Date: 6/30/03

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gee whiz… i’ve always looked for the good in any situation i’ve found myself in. this is true with my MS as well. back in nov. 2002, my MS started getting worse. it got so bad, i don’t remember all of it. there were bowel problems, bladder was worse (painful) and my legs hurt so bad, i would cry. not to gross you guys out, but to help the women here… i started having a green discharge that turned out to be a normal bacteria all women have, but it was over producing. the dr still thinks the MS caused this to happen collaterally. ironically, the MS would not let the medicne kill the bacteria. it kept growing out of control. after one prescription of metro gel and then 4 prescriptions of high dose oral metradonazole (sp?), it was still getting worse. the dr ordered a trans-vaginal ultrasound just to look around in there. well, guess what we saw? tumors all over my right ovary. i had a CA-125 test that day and it came back elevated for cancer. dr called and said, "you have ovarian cancer". i did not know what to say. i was so frightened and in shock, i wouldn’t let myself deal with it for a couple days. i had recently had a friend die within 4 months of the same finding. talk about scared… i was terrified. panic attacks came and soon i realized i had to get control of myself. i thought, "shoot, i’ve battled this MS for 35 years and i will not let cancer kill me". i started praying to God and a peace i can not explain came over me. it calmed me and was very reassuring. i knew i would be alright, no matter what happened. the surgery was may 6th and sure enough, it was for sure ovarian cancer. the dr did a total hysterectomy, everything is gone. all the cancer is gone now and i have follow up bloodwork to continue. so far, i am cancer free. although the dr felt the MS caused the bacteria to over produce, it was in no way related to the cancer. if not for my MS, that cancer would have grown until it was too late. ovarian cancer can cause one hell of an exacerbation. i would have never dreamed the symptoms i was having were common to ovarian cancer. **i urge every woman here on this group, to look up ovarian cancer and know it’s warning signs. a lot of them are just like MS** be informed and get a check-up. my next appt. with the dr wasn’t until this nov. 2003. i wouldn’t have been here by then. bottom line here is a good one. i can LIVE with MS. i can’t LIVE with ovarian cancer. ironically, my MS saved my life. debra — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 – Release Date: 6/30/03

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I have gained 10 lbs in the past month- mostly due to an antihistamine medication I took (I stopped thank goodness). What has me concerned is that most of it is in my abdomen. I am freaking that maybe I have ovarian cancer or something but DH says a lot of middle aged women get "the spread" in the waist. Does peri make you suddenly gain weight? NK

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>From: "No Kidding!" nokidd…@ria.net(NOSPAMPLEASE) >Date: 6/26/03 8:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time >I have gained 10 lbs in the past month- mostly due to an antihistamine >medication I took (I stopped thank goodness). What has me concerned is that >most of it is in my abdomen. I am freaking that maybe I have ovarian cancer >or something but DH says a lot of middle aged women get "the spread" in the >waist. Does peri make you suddenly gain weight?

Not sure about suddenly,but I’m finally losing the weight I packed on in my abdomen. I thought it would be with me for life. I think I started gaining there during peri,and I’m now 7 years post meno. Sharon…………A warm toll-house cookie is an experience not unlike a religious epiphany.

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why not go to the gyn and make sure. A friend of mine complained that her stomach was sticking out. She had recently had colon surgery so the drs said it would go down in time. Well, she just had an ovarian cyst burst!!! I would check it out. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Frankenmel wrote: >>From: "No Kidding!" nokidd…@ria.net(NOSPAMPLEASE) >>Date: 6/26/03 8:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time >>I have gained 10 lbs in the past month- mostly due to an antihistamine >>medication I took (I stopped thank goodness). What has me concerned is that >>most of it is in my abdomen. I am freaking that maybe I have ovarian cancer >>or something but DH says a lot of middle aged women get "the spread" in the >>waist. Does peri make you suddenly gain weight? >Not sure about suddenly,but I’m finally losing the weight I packed on in my >abdomen. I thought it would be with me for life. I think I started gaining >there during peri,and I’m now 7 years post meno. >Sharon…………A warm toll-house cookie is an experience not unlike a >religious epiphany.

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>From: jen jett…@yahoo.com >Date: 6/27/03 7:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time

Welcome to asm. When you post,could you please turn off the HTML? It would make your posts easier to deal with. >why not go to the gyn and make sure

Can’t tell if you mean me…if so,I did. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->A friend of mine complained that >her stomach was sticking out. She had recently had colon surgery so the >drs said it would go down in time. Well, she just had an ovarian cyst >burst!!! I would check it out. >Frankenmel wrote: >>>From: "No Kidding!" nokidd…@ria.net(NOSPAMPLEASE) >>>Date: 6/26/03 8:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time >>>I have gained 10 lbs in the past month- mostly due to an antihistamine >>>medication I took (I stopped thank goodness). What has me concerned is that >>>most of it is in my abdomen. I am freaking that maybe I have ovarian cancer >>>or something but DH says a lot of middle aged women get "the spread" in the >>>waist. Does peri make you suddenly gain weight? >>Not sure about suddenly,but I’m finally losing the weight I packed on in my >>abdomen. I thought it would be with me for life. I think I started gaining >>there during peri,and I’m now 7 years post meno. >>Sharon…………A warm toll-house cookie is an experience not unlike a >>religious epiphany. >————–050705030408040305090000 >Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > >why not go to the gyn and make sure. A friend of mine complained that >her >stomach was sticking out. She had recently had colon surgery so the drs >said it would go down in time. Well, she just had an ovarian cyst >burst!!! > I would check it out. >Frankenmel wrote: >

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> I have gained 10 lbs in the past month- mostly due to an antihistamine >medication I took (I stopped thank goodness). What has me concerned is that >most of it is in my abdomen. I am freaking that maybe I have ovarian cancer >or something but DH says a lot of middle aged women get "the spread" in the >waist. Does peri make you suddenly gain weight? >
> >Not sure about suddenly,but I’m finally losing the weight I packed on in my >abdomen. I thought it would be with me for life. I think I started gaining >there during peri,and I’m now 7 years post meno. >Sharon…………A warm toll-house cookie is an experience not unlike a >religious epiphany. >

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Sharon…………A warm toll-house cookie is an experience not unlike a religious epiphany.

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No Kidding! wrote: > I have gained 10 lbs in the past month- mostly due to an antihistamine > medication I took (I stopped thank goodness). What has me concerned is that > most of it is in my abdomen. I am freaking that maybe I have ovarian cancer > or something but DH says a lot of middle aged women get "the spread" in the > waist. Does peri make you suddenly gain weight?

Not suddenly, but I’m not on any drugs. But yes, right on my tummy, below the belly button, I have a nice roll of fat I never had before. My hips have gotten more "feminine", too, and my thighs can now touch each other when I stand. It’s not inches so much as shape. But the tummy definitely pooches. Stress increases it. — ****** Keera in Norway ****** * Think big. Shrink to fit. * http://home.online.no/~kafox

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Frankenmel wrote: > >From: jen jett…@yahoo.com > >Date: 6/27/03 7:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time > Welcome to asm. > When you post,could you please turn off the HTML? It would make your posts > easier to deal with.

And you’d be sure everyone would see them. My ISP does not allow any html on its Usenet servers, so I don’t see news messages that contain html. — ****** Keera in Norway ****** * Think big. Shrink to fit. * http://home.online.no/~kafox

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"Danielle" wrote in message

news:21c93b4a.0306272015.3c813eac@posting.google.com… > thinkbigshrinkto…@yahoo.com (Keera Ann Fox) wrote in message

… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > No Kidding! wrote: > > > I have gained 10 lbs in the past month- mostly due to an antihistamine > > > medication I took (I stopped thank goodness). What has me concerned is that > > > most of it is in my abdomen. I am freaking that maybe I have ovarian cancer > > > or something but DH says a lot of middle aged women get "the spread" in the > > > waist. Does peri make you suddenly gain weight? > > Not suddenly, but I’m not on any drugs. But yes, right on my tummy, > > below the belly button, I have a nice roll of fat I never had before. My > > hips have gotten more "feminine", too, and my thighs can now touch each > > other when I stand. It’s not inches so much as shape. But the tummy > > definitely pooches. Stress increases it. > Is your stomach painfull or feel like it hurts when you push on it?

No. I get annual GYN exams. I’m not even overweight…….it’s just that I have a big belly for my size and I’ve never had kids. NK

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -No Kidding! wrote: > "Danielle" wrote in message > news:21c93b4a.0306272015.3c813eac@posting.google.com… > > thinkbigshrinkto…@yahoo.com (Keera Ann Fox) wrote in message > … > > > No Kidding! wrote: > > > > I have gained 10 lbs in the past month- mostly due to an > > > > antihistamine medication I took (I stopped thank goodness). What has > > > > me concerned is that most of it is in my abdomen. I am freaking that > > > > maybe I have ovarian cancer or something but DH says a lot of middle > > > > aged women get "the spread" in the waist. Does peri make you > > > > suddenly gain weight? > > Is your stomach painfull or feel like it hurts when you push on it? > No. I get annual GYN exams. I’m not even overweight…….it’s just that I > have a big belly for my size and I’ve never had kids.

The weight gain around the middle could mean that you are one of us women who are apple-shaped, i.e. all the weight gain is centered around the waist. However, I seem to remember reading that some drugs (steroids?) can cause even a pear-shaped woman to gain weight in an apple-shape. Do you know _all_ the side-effects of the medication you took? It could be the body is taking time getting the effects out of its system. — ****** Keera in Norway ****** * Think big. Shrink to fit. * http://home.online.no/~kafox

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thinkbigshrinkto…@yahoo.com (Keera Ann Fox) wrote in message … > No Kidding! wrote: > > I have gained 10 lbs in the past month- mostly due to an antihistamine > > medication I took (I stopped thank goodness). What has me concerned is that > > most of it is in my abdomen. I am freaking that maybe I have ovarian cancer > > or something but DH says a lot of middle aged women get "the spread" in the > > waist. Does peri make you suddenly gain weight? > Not suddenly, but I’m not on any drugs. But yes, right on my tummy, > below the belly button, I have a nice roll of fat I never had before. My > hips have gotten more "feminine", too, and my thighs can now touch each > other when I stand. It’s not inches so much as shape. But the tummy > definitely pooches. Stress increases it.

Is your stomach painfull or feel like it hurts when you push on it?

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Danielle wrote: > thinkbigshrinkto…@yahoo.com (Keera Ann Fox) wrote… > > No Kidding! wrote: > > > Does peri make you suddenly gain weight? > > Not suddenly, but I’m not on any drugs. But yes, right on my tummy, > > below the belly button, I have a nice roll of fat I never had before. My > > hips have gotten more "feminine", too, and my thighs can now touch each > > other when I stand. It’s not inches so much as shape. But the tummy > > definitely pooches. Stress increases it. > Is your stomach painfull or feel like it hurts when you push on it?

It hurts when I push today but it could be from a recent bout of IBS or the fact that I’m about to get my period. Doesn’t hurt in general. Why? — ****** Keera in Norway ****** * Think big. Shrink to fit. * http://home.online.no/~kafox