– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dearest Peeps, My mother is so very sick.  She is having an MRI on Tuesday and a bone scan. As many of you know, she has cancer.  Lately (past 2 months), she has been really sick from the chemo pill.  Well now, her hips, legs and especially her back is causing SO much pain that she can barely get out of bed.  My dad says that she shakes because she hurts so bad.  When I spoke to Dad this afternoon, he told me that each day, Mom is a bit worse.  We are HOPING and PRAYING that this has something to do w/her spine and *NOT* cancer that has spread. I’ve been in denial, I guess.  I’m so used to having Mom in my life that I don’t ever look at what "may" happen one day, some day, or even one day sooner than later as of now.  `Hope this makes sense.  I can’t picture Mom not being in my life.  I can’t and I won’t.  So, please, turn up the volume on prayers for "Shirley". Thanks a million….

Dear Laurie…. Prayers and good thoughts being sent your way….. for your family, and most especially for Shirley.  Please keep us posted! Comforting hugs! MikeH  . — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dearest Peeps, My mother is so very sick.  She is having an MRI on Tuesday and a bone scan. As many of you know, she has cancer.  Lately (past 2 months), she has been really sick from the chemo pill.  Well now, her hips, legs and especially her back is causing SO much pain that she can barely get out of bed. My dad says that she shakes because she hurts so bad.  When I spoke to Dad this afternoon, he told me that each day, Mom is a bit worse.  We are HOPING and PRAYING that this has something to do w/her spine and *NOT* cancer that has spread. I’ve been in denial, I guess.  I’m so used to having Mom in my life that I don’t ever look at what "may" happen one day, some day, or even one day sooner than later as of now.  `Hope this makes sense.  I can’t picture Mom not being in my life.  I can’t and I won’t.  So, please, turn up the volume on prayers for "Shirley". Thanks a million…. <scared  ;o/

Laurie, Sorry things are not going well for your mother right now. It must be awful for her to be in so much pain. I am sure you are very concerned. Hope things improve. Prayers for Shirley. Mary — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dearest Peeps, My mother is so very sick.  She is having an MRI on Tuesday and a bone scan. As many of you know, she has cancer.  Lately (past 2 months), she has been really sick from the chemo pill.  Well now, her hips, legs and especially her back is causing SO much pain that she can barely get out of bed.  My dad says that she shakes because she hurts so bad.  When I spoke to Dad this afternoon, he told me that each day, Mom is a bit worse.  We are HOPING and PRAYING that this has something to do w/her spine and *NOT* cancer that has spread. I’ve been in denial, I guess.  I’m so used to having Mom in my life that I don’t ever look at what "may" happen one day, some day, or even one day sooner than later as of now.  `Hope this makes sense.  I can’t picture Mom not being in my life.  I can’t and I won’t.  So, please, turn up the volume on prayers for "Shirley". Thanks a million…. <scared  ;o/ —

Hi, Sally, This isn’t related to the E Coli breakout is it?  (Not to scare you.)  The news said they think the E Coli breakout may have started in Guernsey County, OH which is close to halfway between where you and I live.  I don’t know all of the symptoms but thought I’d mention it. I hope you are feeling much better in 3 days or less. smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey guys, going on maybe 2 weeks of this. Could be, it’s close to that. Just tired of and from being sick. The doctor kind of made a fuss about me. I thought it was the flu. I was running a 101 fever in the office, and that was ON 600 mg of ibuprofen. I’m just gonna write it here, don’t have the strength to send out lots of emails. I was there on the 5th, and since then I’ve gained over 10 lbs! but my ankles are so swollen, something that just happened within the last day or so. They did bloodwork, urinalysis, chest xray. I’ve got some "abnormalities" in my lungs, the doctor thinks it’s either pneumonia or scar tissue. Now we get to the GOOD news. He gave me some antibiotics and said that (can’t wait) I should feel better in 3 days. I sure hope so. I’m just tired and sick and tired of being sick. It’s not, like Hell or anything. It’s tolerable. I have good times and bad ones. The good times, I go out shopping, the bad, I put on lots of clothing and shake uncontrollably until I start sweating and want EVERYTHING off and lots of AC. And just the tiredness. I don’t mean to complain, I’m just trying to tell you all what’s been up with me, why I’ve kind of been quiet. Oh, I checked my own urine LOL. That’s what they get for leaving me in a bathroom with sticks. Used to do that all day long in ob/gyn. Urine was dark and sparse, but nothing irregular except the specific gravity was way off. Oh yeah, I asked to doctor to clarify "abnormalities" on my lungs. He showed me. Both are affected. one’s got some white spiderweb stuff on it. The left one, well it does look like scar tissue?? Like lines on the bottom of my lung. Oh yeah… real cute symptom that started with this that truly has abated for the most part was (gross) slobbering. No kidding LOL. It’s about gone, but for the longest time, I slobbered and I first thought it was TD and Haldol, so I d/c’d Haldol and ate lots of cogentin and still slobbered LOL. Y’all though YOU had bad lives LOL. Anyway, truly, that part has about gone away thank go I only went into all that so I don’t have to do it with ANYBODY IN I just don’t have the strength, but doc says I will in about 3 days, which I am just going to be so grateful for. The news is good, but now I  have to go. I will post as I am able.. condition much worse over the last few days when I hit a bad spell, and I am right now. Just chilling. Miss you all, Love you all. D.. I DO NOT HAVE LUNG CANCER ..do not call me up and dare me to not die, tearfully LOL. Just know I could pop in and post, may not for awhile. I know that’s allowed, but I just wanted to update everyone, assure everyone (one time, not 39) and I’ll be around. Do that CBT and take them AD’s and benzo’s. I shake and I’m not even anxious. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hey guys, going on maybe 2 weeks of this. Could be, it’s close to that. Just tired of and from being sick. The doctor kind of made a fuss about me. I thought it was the flu. I was running a 101 fever in the office, and that was ON 600 mg of ibuprofen. I’m just gonna write it here, don’t have the strength to send out lots of emails. I was there on the 5th, and since then I’ve gained over 10 lbs! but my ankles are so swollen, something that just happened within the last day or so. They did bloodwork, urinalysis, chest xray. I’ve got some "abnormalities" in my lungs, the doctor thinks it’s either pneumonia or scar tissue. Now we get to the GOOD news. He gave me some antibiotics and said that (can’t wait) I should feel better in 3 days. I sure hope so. I’m just tired and sick and tired of being sick. It’s not, like Hell or anything. It’s tolerable. I have good times and bad ones. The good times, I go out shopping, the bad, I put on lots of clothing and shake uncontrollably until I start sweating and want EVERYTHING off and lots of AC. And just the tiredness. I don’t mean to complain, I’m just trying to tell you all what’s been up with me, why I’ve kind of been quiet. Oh, I checked my own urine LOL. That’s what they get for leaving me in a bathroom with sticks. Used to do that all day long in ob/gyn. Urine was dark and sparse, but nothing irregular except the specific gravity was way off. Oh yeah, I asked to doctor to clarify "abnormalities" on my lungs. He showed me. Both are affected. one’s got some white spiderweb stuff on it. The left one, well it does look like scar tissue?? Like lines on the bottom of my lung. Oh yeah… real cute symptom that started with this that truly has abated for the most part was (gross) slobbering. No kidding LOL. It’s about gone, but for the longest time, I slobbered and I first thought it was TD and Haldol, so I d/c’d Haldol and ate lots of cogentin and still slobbered LOL. Y’all though YOU had bad lives LOL. Anyway, truly, that part has about gone away thank go I only went into all that so I don’t have to do it with ANYBODY IN I just don’t have the strength, but doc says I will in about 3 days, which I am just going to be so grateful for. The news is good, but now I  have to go. I will post as I am able.. condition much worse over the last few days when I hit a bad spell, and I am right now. Just chilling. Miss you all, Love you all. D.. I DO NOT HAVE LUNG CANCER  ..do not call me up and dare me to not die, tearfully LOL. Just know I could pop in and post, may not for awhile. I know that’s allowed, but I just wanted to update everyone, assure everyone (one time, not 39) and I’ll be around. Do that CBT and take them AD’s and benzo’s. I shake and I’m not even anxious. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey guys, going on maybe 2 weeks of this. Could be, it’s close to that. Just tired of and from being sick. The doctor kind of made a fuss about me. I thought it was the flu. I was running a 101 fever in the office, and that was ON 600 mg of ibuprofen. I’m just gonna write it here, don’t have the strength to send out lots of emails. I was there on the 5th, and since then I’ve gained over 10 lbs! but my ankles are so swollen, something that just happened within the last day or so. They did bloodwork, urinalysis, chest xray. I’ve got some "abnormalities" in my lungs, the doctor thinks it’s either pneumonia or scar tissue. Now we get to the GOOD news. He gave me some antibiotics and said that (can’t wait) I should feel better in 3 days. I sure hope so. I’m just tired and sick and tired of being sick. It’s not, like Hell or anything. It’s tolerable. I have good times and bad ones. The good times, I go out shopping, the bad, I put on lots of clothing and shake uncontrollably until I start sweating and want EVERYTHING off and lots of AC. And just the tiredness. I don’t mean to complain, I’m just trying to tell you all what’s been up with me, why I’ve kind of been quiet. Oh, I checked my own urine LOL. That’s what they get for leaving me in a bathroom with sticks. Used to do that all day long in ob/gyn. Urine was dark and sparse, but nothing irregular except the specific gravity was way off. Oh yeah, I asked to doctor to clarify "abnormalities" on my lungs. He showed me. Both are affected. one’s got some white spiderweb stuff on it. The left one, well it does look like scar tissue?? Like lines on the bottom of my lung. Oh yeah… real cute symptom that started with this that truly has abated for the most part was (gross) slobbering. No kidding LOL. It’s about gone, but for the longest time, I slobbered and I first thought it was TD and Haldol, so I d/c’d Haldol and ate lots of cogentin and still slobbered LOL. Y’all though YOU had bad lives LOL. Anyway, truly, that part has about gone away thank go I only went into all that so I don’t have to do it with ANYBODY IN I just don’t have the strength, but doc says I will in about 3 days, which I am just going to be so grateful for. The news is good, but now I  have to go. I will post as I am able.. condition much worse over the last few days when I hit a bad spell, and I am right now. Just chilling. Miss you all, Love you all. D.. I DO NOT HAVE LUNG CANCER  ..do not call me up and dare me to not die, tearfully LOL. Just know I could pop in and post, may not for awhile. I know that’s allowed, but I just wanted to update everyone, assure everyone (one time, not 39) and I’ll be around. Do that CBT and take them AD’s and benzo’s. I shake and I’m not even anxious.

I’m a bit late, but I hope you are on the road to recovery. (((Sally))) Tony — — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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So pleased you have a diiagnosis. Now rest and get well. love Meryl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey guys, going on maybe 2 weeks of this. Could be, it’s close to that. Just tired of and from being sick. The doctor kind of made a fuss about me. I thought it was the flu. I was running a 101 fever in the office, and that was ON 600 mg of ibuprofen. I’m just gonna write it here, don’t have the strength to send out lots of emails. I was there on the 5th, and since then I’ve gained over 10 lbs! but my ankles are so swollen, something that just happened within the last day or so. They did bloodwork, urinalysis, chest xray. I’ve got some "abnormalities" in my lungs, the doctor thinks it’s either pneumonia or scar tissue. Now we get to the GOOD news. He gave me some antibiotics and said that (can’t wait) I should feel better in 3 days. I sure hope so. I’m just tired and sick and tired of being sick. It’s not, like Hell or anything. It’s tolerable. I have good times and bad ones. The good times, I go out shopping, the bad, I put on lots of clothing and shake uncontrollably until I start sweating and want EVERYTHING off and lots of AC. And just the tiredness. I don’t mean to complain, I’m just trying to tell you all what’s been up with me, why I’ve kind of been quiet. Oh, I checked my own urine LOL. That’s what they get for leaving me in a bathroom with sticks. Used to do that all day long in ob/gyn. Urine was dark and sparse, but nothing irregular except the specific gravity was way off. Oh yeah, I asked to doctor to clarify "abnormalities" on my lungs. He showed me. Both are affected. one’s got some white spiderweb stuff on it. The left one, well it does look like scar tissue?? Like lines on the bottom of my lung. Oh yeah… real cute symptom that started with this that truly has abated for the most part was (gross) slobbering. No kidding LOL. It’s about gone, but for the longest time, I slobbered and I first thought it was TD and Haldol, so I d/c’d Haldol and ate lots of cogentin and still slobbered LOL. Y’all though YOU had bad lives LOL. Anyway, truly, that part has about gone away thank go I only went into all that so I don’t have to do it with ANYBODY IN I just don’t have the strength, but doc says I will in about 3 days, which I am just going to be so grateful for. The news is good, but now I  have to go. I will post as I am able.. condition much worse over the last few days when I hit a bad spell, and I am right now. Just chilling. Miss you all, Love you all. D.. I DO NOT HAVE LUNG CANCER ..do not call me up and dare me to not die, tearfully LOL. Just know I could pop in and post, may not for awhile. I know that’s allowed, but I just wanted to update everyone, assure everyone (one time, not 39) and I’ll be around. Do that CBT and take them AD’s and benzo’s. I shake and I’m not even anxious. Sally

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::going on maybe 2 weeks of this. Could be, it’s close to that. Just ::tired of and from being sick. The doctor kind of made a fuss about me. ::I thought it was the flu. I was running a 101 fever in the office, and ::that was ON 600 mg of ibuprofen. I’m just gonna write it here, don’t ::have the strength to send out lots of emails. <gently snipped Dear Sally, Speedy get well wishes being sent your way! I do hope you`re back on your feet real soon. I`m prescribing lots of rest and TLC for you (((((Sally))))) P.S. Did the doctor have an explanation for why you are retaining so much water? Jackie ~*~My halo is temporarily out of order~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey guys, going on maybe 2 weeks of this. Could be, it’s close to that. Just tired of and from being sick. The doctor kind of made a fuss about me. I thought it was the flu. I was running a 101 fever in the office, and that was ON 600 mg of ibuprofen. I’m just gonna write it here, don’t have the strength to send out lots of emails. I was there on the 5th, and since then I’ve gained over 10 lbs! but my ankles are so swollen, something that just happened within the last day or so. They did bloodwork, urinalysis, chest xray. I’ve got some "abnormalities" in my lungs, the doctor thinks it’s either pneumonia or scar tissue. Now we get to the GOOD news. He gave me some antibiotics and said that (can’t wait) I should feel better in 3 days. I sure hope so. I’m just tired and sick and tired of being sick. It’s not, like Hell or anything. It’s tolerable. I have good times and bad ones. The good times, I go out shopping, the bad, I put on lots of clothing and shake uncontrollably until I start sweating and want EVERYTHING off and lots of AC. And just the tiredness. I don’t mean to complain, I’m just trying to tell you all what’s been up with me, why I’ve kind of been quiet. Oh, I checked my own urine LOL. That’s what they get for leaving me in a bathroom with sticks. Used to do that all day long in ob/gyn. Urine was dark and sparse, but nothing irregular except the specific gravity was way off. Oh yeah, I asked to doctor to clarify "abnormalities" on my lungs. He showed me. Both are affected. one’s got some white spiderweb stuff on it. The left one, well it does look like scar tissue?? Like lines on the bottom of my lung. Oh yeah… real cute symptom that started with this that truly has abated for the most part was (gross) slobbering. No kidding LOL. It’s about gone, but for the longest time, I slobbered and I first thought it was TD and Haldol, so I d/c’d Haldol and ate lots of cogentin and still slobbered LOL. Y’all though YOU had bad lives LOL. Anyway, truly, that part has about gone away thank go I only went into all that so I don’t have to do it with ANYBODY IN I just don’t have the strength, but doc says I will in about 3 days, which I am just going to be so grateful for. The news is good, but now I  have to go. I will post as I am able.. condition much worse over the last few days when I hit a bad spell, and I am right now. Just chilling. Miss you all, Love you all. D.. I DO NOT HAVE LUNG CANCER ..do not call me up and dare me to not die, tearfully LOL. Just know I could pop in and post, may not for awhile. I know that’s allowed, but I just wanted to update everyone, assure everyone (one time, not 39) and I’ll be around. Do that CBT and take them AD’s and benzo’s. I shake and I’m not even anxious. Sally

Sally, Man, you’re getting hit hard with this!  I’m so sorry you’re still sick but glad you got some antibiotics to knock this thing out. Glad you put it in the part about not having lung cancer, because I was going there too….LOL. Sending you thoughts of quick healing and peace. (((((((((((((((((((((Sally))))))))))))))))))))))) Love, Dawn — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hey Sally. At least it’s just something minor, even if it is sapping your strength. Hopefully you’ll be back to your old self in no time. Ian — I’m sick of following my dreams. I’m just gonna ask where they’re goin’, and hook up with ‘em later. (Mitch Hedberg) http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hey guys, going on maybe 2 weeks of this. Could be, it’s close to that. Just tired of and from being sick. The doctor kind of made a fuss about me. I thought it was the flu. I was running a 101 fever in the office, and that was ON 600 mg of ibuprofen. I’m just gonna write it here, don’t have the strength to send out lots of emails.

<snipped Hey there, I emailed you, no answer necessary. Take extra care of yourself, follow doctor’s orders, and get well.  Hugs and more hugs for you, Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Oh you poor thing!  I hope you do feel better in 3 days.  Hope he’s right. Keep taking care of yourself and don’t worry about us.  {{{{{Sally}}}}} Love, Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey guys, going on maybe 2 weeks of this. Could be, it’s close to that. Just tired of and from being sick. The doctor kind of made a fuss about me. I thought it was the flu. I was running a 101 fever in the office, and that was ON 600 mg of ibuprofen. I’m just gonna write it here, don’t have the strength to send out lots of emails. I was there on the 5th, and since then I’ve gained over 10 lbs! but my ankles are so swollen, something that just happened within the last day or so. They did bloodwork, urinalysis, chest xray. I’ve got some "abnormalities" in my lungs, the doctor thinks it’s either pneumonia or scar tissue. Now we get to the GOOD news. He gave me some antibiotics and said that (can’t wait) I should feel better in 3 days. I sure hope so. I’m just tired and sick and tired of being sick. It’s not, like Hell or anything. It’s tolerable. I have good times and bad ones. The good times, I go out shopping, the bad, I put on lots of clothing and shake uncontrollably until I start sweating and want EVERYTHING off and lots of AC. And just the tiredness. I don’t mean to complain, I’m just trying to tell you all what’s been up with me, why I’ve kind of been quiet. Oh, I checked my own urine LOL. That’s what they get for leaving me in a bathroom with sticks. Used to do that all day long in ob/gyn. Urine was dark and sparse, but nothing irregular except the specific gravity was way off. Oh yeah, I asked to doctor to clarify "abnormalities" on my lungs. He showed me. Both are affected. one’s got some white spiderweb stuff on it. The left one, well it does look like scar tissue?? Like lines on the bottom of my lung. Oh yeah… real cute symptom that started with this that truly has abated for the most part was (gross) slobbering. No kidding LOL. It’s about gone, but for the longest time, I slobbered and I first thought it was TD and Haldol, so I d/c’d Haldol and ate lots of cogentin and still slobbered LOL. Y’all though YOU had bad lives LOL. Anyway, truly, that part has about gone away thank go I only went into all that so I don’t have to do it with ANYBODY IN I just don’t have the strength, but doc says I will in about 3 days, which I am just going to be so grateful for. The news is good, but now I  have to go. I will post as I am able.. condition much worse over the last few days when I hit a bad spell, and I am right now. Just chilling. Miss you all, Love you all. D.. I DO NOT HAVE LUNG CANCER  ..do not call me up and dare me to not die, tearfully LOL. Just know I could pop in and post, may not for awhile. I know that’s allowed, but I just wanted to update everyone, assure everyone (one time, not 39) and I’ll be around. Do that CBT and take them AD’s and benzo’s. I shake and I’m not even anxious. Sally

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Get better Sally. Health is something you can never take for granted… — Doug

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey guys, going on maybe 2 weeks of this. Could be, it’s close to that. Just tired of and from being sick. The doctor kind of made a fuss about me. I thought it was the flu. I was running a 101 fever in the office, and that was ON 600 mg of ibuprofen. I’m just gonna write it here, don’t have the strength to send out lots of emails. I was there on the 5th, and since then I’ve gained over 10 lbs! but my ankles are so swollen, something that just happened within the last day or so. They did bloodwork, urinalysis, chest xray. I’ve got some "abnormalities" in my lungs, the doctor thinks it’s either pneumonia or scar tissue. Now we get to the GOOD news. He gave me some antibiotics and said that (can’t wait) I should feel better in 3 days. I sure hope so. I’m just tired and sick and tired of being sick. It’s not, like Hell or anything. It’s tolerable. I have good times and bad ones. The good times, I go out shopping, the bad, I put on lots of clothing and shake uncontrollably until I start sweating and want EVERYTHING off and lots of AC. And just the tiredness. I don’t mean to complain, I’m just trying to tell you all what’s been up with me, why I’ve kind of been quiet. Oh, I checked my own urine LOL. That’s what they get for leaving me in a bathroom with sticks. Used to do that all day long in ob/gyn. Urine was dark and sparse, but nothing irregular except the specific gravity was way off. Oh yeah, I asked to doctor to clarify "abnormalities" on my lungs. He showed me. Both are affected. one’s got some white spiderweb stuff on it. The left one, well it does look like scar tissue?? Like lines on the bottom of my lung. Oh yeah… real cute symptom that started with this that truly has abated for the most part was (gross) slobbering. No kidding LOL. It’s about gone, but for the longest time, I slobbered and I first thought it was TD and Haldol, so I d/c’d Haldol and ate lots of cogentin and still slobbered LOL. Y’all though YOU had bad lives LOL. Anyway, truly, that part has about gone away thank go I only went into all that so I don’t have to do it with ANYBODY IN I just don’t have the strength, but doc says I will in about 3 days, which I am just going to be so grateful for. The news is good, but now I  have to go. I will post as I am able.. condition much worse over the last few days when I hit a bad spell, and I am right now. Just chilling. Miss you all, Love you all. D.. I DO NOT HAVE LUNG CANCER ..do not call me up and dare me to not die, tearfully LOL. Just know I could pop in and post, may not for awhile. I know that’s allowed, but I just wanted to update everyone, assure everyone (one time, not 39) and I’ll be around. Do that CBT and take them AD’s and benzo’s. I shake and I’m not even anxious. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Thank you Butterfly. :: ::I’m not feeling well enough to be a boar right now.  Fibro flare.  Today ::was mid 60’s and I couldn’t force myself to go outside and work on "the ::wall".  I even took a nap.  First time in months.  I’m in my office, the ::temp is 76F, and I’m cold.  It’s what I call the "Fake Fibro Fever".  My ::temp is at it’s normal 97.8 Dear Tono, It`s been a few days since your post. I do hope you are feeling a lot better by now. How often do you flare? (((((Tono))))) Jackie ~*~My greatest fear is there is no such thing as PMS and this is really my personality~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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3/15/06: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Tono How about "have you ever fallen asleep with a lit cigarette?

Yes, the most recent time was when my aunt was dying.  I allow myself a cigarette in the house before bed, and one when I wake up..the others I smoke outside.  I was exhausted and managed to drop my cigarette and BURN A HOLE IN MY BRAND NEW WHITE CARPETING that I bought for the den. Reminds me of the first time my step dad came to visit my grandmother after he had asked my mother to marry him.  Granny had just had new carpet installed.  He was nervous, and dropped a cigarette and burned a hole in her new carpeting.  Our family has a better sense of humor than we care about carpeting (most of us, anyway) we teased him for years about doing that on purpose, LOL. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Smoke free since sometime before thanksgiving! What a phenomenal job, Tony. I’ve been wishing for that very thing lately, as I’ve had to switch temporarily to cigarettes just to alleviate the tongue burn from pipe smoking. My lungs feel like concrete. It sucks. My hat is off to you for staying smober.

Smober, I like that!  Like Elise said, you have to prepare yourself.  I hadn’t set any date, I just kept getting more and more disgusted with each cigarette I smoked.  I didn’t fight the idea that cigarettes are disgusting, I went with it.  I encouraged bad feelings every time I lit up.  Then one day I just quit.  A few days later I found a pack in a jacket and threw them away.  I wanted to hold on to them forever.  Then I found another half pack in the shed, they were also difficult to throw away, but I did and I’m happy for it! For me I really needed to be disgusted with myself every time I lit up.   Do it long enough and it may work for you too? Tono — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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It took me about 11 months to mentally prepare myself to quit.

Ah, how horrible it all is. I coughed up some phlegm this morning that   was parly grey (gray?). Holy crap. I have this intense urge to smoke, but my lungs just *hurt*. Tiring. Ian — http://sundry.ws — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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For me I really needed to be disgusted with myself every time I lit up. Do it long enough and it may work for you too?

Any port in a storm. BTW, glad you like "smober", though it’s not my term. Can’t remember where I heard it. Ian — http://sundry.ws — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::My quit date was November 6th so you are around there ::somewhere.  Once in a while I still would like a cig, especially with a ::fresh cup of coffee…not caving though. Congrats to you too Elise Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Ian, It took me about 11 months to mentally prepare myself to quit.  It was my New Year’s resolution for 2005.  I was supposed to quit in August but circumstances prevented me so in November I took action.  (In August I started cutting down by 1 cig per week.) smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Smoke free since sometime before thanksgiving! What a phenomenal job, Tony. I’ve been wishing for that very thing lately, as I’ve had to switch temporarily to cigarettes just to alleviate the tongue burn from pipe smoking. My lungs feel like concrete. It sucks. My hat is off to you for staying smober. Ian — http://sundry.ws — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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3/15/06: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Tono How about "have you ever fallen asleep with a lit cigarette? Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Thankfully, no. smiles, Elise

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No, but *almost*, a long time ago.  Got up and put that cig right out. Never laid down smoking again. Di

3/15/06: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Tono How about "have you ever fallen asleep with a lit cigarette? Jackie

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have you ever fallen asleep with a lit cigarette?

Not that I know of. Been smoking since I was 15, and I’m 34, so you’d think at some point it would have happened. I guess those horror stories about people lighting themselves on fire kind of stick with you. Ian — http://sundry.ws — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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3/15/06: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Tono How about "have you ever fallen asleep with a lit cigarette?

Yes.  I was about 18 to 20 and drunk as a skunk.  Luckily I tossed and turned and the side of my belly rolled onto a smoldering red patch about 8" round.  The pain woke me up and I had no idea what was happening.  I jumped up and turned on the lights.  The room was so smoky I could hardly see.  poured water on the bed and opened all the windows and doors.  Who knows how many more minutes of air I had? Tono  Smoke free since sometime before thanksgiving! — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Smoke free since sometime before thanksgiving!

What a phenomenal job, Tony. I’ve been wishing for that very thing lately, as I’ve had to switch temporarily to cigarettes just to alleviate the tongue burn from pipe smoking. My lungs feel like concrete. It sucks. My hat is off to you for staying smober. Ian — http://sundry.ws — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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3/15/06: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Tono How about "have you ever fallen asleep with a lit cigarette? Jackie

Yes, sorry to say. But not for probably 7 or 8 years now.  I finally learned to be more careful.  I was lucky I didn’t do any major damage. Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hey, Tono, good job.  My quit date was November 6th so you are around there somewhere.  Once in a while I still would like a cig, especially with a fresh cup of coffee…not caving though. smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 3/15/06: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Tono How about "have you ever fallen asleep with a lit cigarette? Yes.  I was about 18 to 20 and drunk as a skunk.  Luckily I tossed and turned and the side of my belly rolled onto a smoldering red patch about 8" round.  The pain woke me up and I had no idea what was happening.  I jumped up and turned on the lights.  The room was so smoky I could hardly see.  poured water on the bed and opened all the windows and doors.  Who knows how many more minutes of air I had? Tono  Smoke free since sometime before thanksgiving! — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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3/15/06: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Tono How about "have you ever fallen asleep with a lit cigarette?

Seeing that I am a non-smoker…no. — Ron P I’m an EXPERT….a has-been under pressure<;-) — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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3/15/06: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Tono How about "have you ever fallen asleep with a lit cigarette?

Never. I took one puff of a cigarette at age 6. That was the last time I smoked. I’ve always had a very strong aversion to cigarette smoke and ashes. Don’t know why. Strangely enough, I did smoke a pipe for a number of years till a friend of mine got lung cancer that spread to the bones in his leg. He died. After I saw him alive for the last time, I came home and threw out all my pipes (don’t want cancer of the oral cavity or throat) Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::How about "have you ever fallen asleep with a ::lit cigarette? Yup, when I was drunk.Those foolish, wild days Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hey, Tono, good job.  My quit date was November 6th so you are around there somewhere.  Once in a while I still would like a cig, especially with a fresh cup of coffee…not caving though. smiles, Elise

Thanks Elise and good job to you too! Tono — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Tono  Smoke free since sometime before thanksgiving! Congrats Boar man! Job well done

Thank you Butterfly. I’m not feeling well enough to be a boar right now.  Fibro flare.  Today was mid 60’s and I couldn’t force myself to go outside and work on "the wall".  I even took a nap.  First time in months.  I’m in my office, the temp is 76F, and I’m cold.  It’s what I call the "Fake Fibro Fever".  My temp is at it’s normal 97.8 Tono — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Tono  Smoke free since sometime before thanksgiving! Congrats Boar man! Job well done Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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  Why would they not proceed with the RP because of this spot?

Because if you have mets already, or primary lung cancer, the cancer in your prostate is of little consequence, so why put you through surgery for it? Keep your fingers, toes, and ears crossed for the outcome of the lung and pelvis studies. I.P.

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I was pre-registering at the hospital yesterday for my colon resection (that’s what they’re calling that now) and RP. They took a chest x-ray and said there is a 7mm spot on my lung. I’ve had 5 chest x-rays since early Jan. and nothing else showed till now. The uro said he didn’t want to prceed withe RP if there is something there. A nurse told me it might just ba shadow from a nipple. They’re taking new x-rays today and going to "mark" the nipples. I told them I’d seen this episode on "Sex and the City" ….LOL.   Why would they not proceed with the RP because of this spot? ON THAT there is no question, the prostate is clearly full of cancer. I’m tired of waiting, the hospital is 65 miles away,. It seems like I have to do EVERYTHING 2-3 times before they make a decision. We are up to 1 uro, 2 colon/general surgeon drs. , 2 oncologists, and 3 radiologists. I have good insurance and feel like it’s getting milked. I don’t care, but sure tired of waiting. The hip bone pain is getting worse and I KNOW the prostate needs to come out.  Laurel, it sounds like Steve is doing well….that is a very upbeat thing to hear:) Keep on a rolllin!!!

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Curious as most you know my recent post RP PSA (7 weeks) was 0.5. My Sloan surgeon recommended I see a  Radiloogy Oncologist. My brother had his RP at Johns Hoplkins around 4 years ago and was not tested until 3 months. I am wondering whether this is just residual or whether there is a difference of opinion as to when to initate PSA testing? – When do most people get tested post-RP? – Wondering what the average timeframe is that most RP patients PSA scores become undetachable?

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Curious as most you know my recent post RP PSA (7 weeks) was 0.5. My Sloan surgeon recommended I see a  Radiloogy Oncologist. My brother had his RP at Johns Hoplkins around 4 years ago and was not tested until 3 months. I am wondering whether this is just residual or whether there is a difference of opinion as to when to initate PSA testing? – When do most people get tested post-RP? – Wondering what the average timeframe is that most RP patients PSA scores become undetachable?

  I seem to remember getting test very shortly after my RP, and it was undetectable. — "Don’t get me wrong…  I’m SNARKY" JK Sinrod Sinrod Stained Glass Studios www.sinrodstudios.com Coney Island Memories www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

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Last March, when I had my open RP, I was told to get a blood draw in 4 weeks. It was undetectable. As was the next one 6 months later. Another is due THIS April. Best of health, Ron B. Chicago

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My PSA at three weeks was <.1 and at three months <.1. I’m not sure what qualifies as undetectable. Tom

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One study showed the mean half-life of PSA after open RRP was 1.416

His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinion of others, to do so would be wise, or even right..

Damn straight! If it’s right to compel me to be "morally upright" in a matter that brings no harm to others, such as enduring screaming pain as was in this case, then it’s also right to compel me to not be overweight.  The difference is degree, not the scope, of making me Do The Right Thing.

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My brother in law died from cancer in 1977.  At the end, they were giving him a cocktail of drugs, which were designed to relieve his pain, and to hasten his death.  As far as I knew, no medical professional protested  this very practical solution.

I  can only hope that a majority of the Court are familiar with this wisdom from John Stuart Mill: "…the sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number, is self-protection. The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilised community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinion of others, to do so would be wise, or even right…The only part of the conduct of anyone, for which he is amenable to society, is that which concerns others. In the part which merely concerns himself, his independence is, of right, absolute. Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign." Regards, Steve J

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You tell ‘em IP. I’m right behind you…..way behind….. Just kidding, I totally agree. This crap can get really depressing.

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My plan if and when the time comes is to "do something about it" on my own and screw the legislators, the priests, and all the other ***holes who think they know what’s best for me.  My father, who died of Parkinson’s, always use to say the same thing but he neither accumulated the right "stuff" nor was he physically able to do anything about it when he had had enough suffering.  My dad even asked his brother to kill him which of course his brother didn’t do since he would have spent the rest of his life in jail.  Sounds like Patient 3 waited too long too.   Dave Perry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Oregon Death With Dignity Act case has been submitted to the Supreme Court of the United States. Should the Drug Enforcement Agency be empowered to review a physician’s care of a terminal patient whose pain is unmanageable? For a physician’s viewpoint, see the New England Journal of Medicine article at: http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/354/1/1?query=TOC The most pertinent paragraph in that link, IMO, is this:  "Patient 3 had advanced metastatic lung cancer and had been receiving opioids at home when he was admitted to the hospital with new metastases to his thoracic spine. He was confused, could not move his legs, had difficulty breathing, and was in excruciating pain – screaming whenever he moved and grimacing with each breath. He was near death, and the primary goal of medical care was to control pain, agitation, and dyspnea. He was given a subcutaneous infusion of opioids at an equianalgesic dose 30 percent higher than his usual dose, and the nurses were instructed to give him another dose, equal to 10 percent of the total daily dose, "as needed" every half hour if he appeared to be in pain (the proper approach, according to standard guidelines). But several nurses and physicians refused to give the "as needed" doses, despite evidence of continuing distress, because they feared hastening his death. Ethics and palliative care consultants were called in, and they refocused the team on the professional obligation to relieve pain and suffering. The patient died hours after receiving the additional doses, and some staff members remained unsettled about whether they might have been legally liable for "causing" his death." Dammit … when do I get to get on with my OWN agenda and quit having to fight stuff like this? If it isn’t eminent domain abuse, or the ACLU, or the ignorant "Bush Lied" brigade that’s eating into my time, it’s the goddamned federal government trying to tell me how to DIE! This is NOT the government’s business, and if I can’t help a tiny bit by opposing this BS locally and nationally, then by God if and when I’m Patient 3 I’ll do my very best to make my point with a speech and a hand grenade or shotgun on live TV. It’s *M*Y* damned life, not anyone else’s. WHEN are people going to stop letting the government run every tiny or totally personal part of their lives? I.P.

My brother in law died from cancer in 1977.  At the end, they were giving him a cocktail of drugs, which were designed to relieve his pain, and to hasten his death.  As far as I knew, no medical professional protested  this very practical solution. j.

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The Oregon Death With Dignity Act case has been submitted to the Supreme Court of the United States. Should the Drug Enforcement Agency be empowered to review a physician’s care of a terminal patient whose pain is unmanageable? For a physician’s viewpoint, see the New England Journal of Medicine article at: http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/354/1/1?query=TOC Regards, Steve J

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The Oregon Death With Dignity Act case has been submitted to the Supreme Court of the United States. Should the Drug Enforcement Agency be empowered to review a physician’s care of a terminal patient whose pain is unmanageable? For a physician’s viewpoint, see the New England Journal of Medicine article at: http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/354/1/1?query=TOC

The most pertinent paragraph in that link, IMO, is this:  "Patient 3 had advanced metastatic lung cancer and had been receiving opioids at home when he was admitted to the hospital with new metastases to his thoracic spine. He was confused, could not move his legs, had difficulty breathing, and was in excruciating pain – screaming whenever he moved and grimacing with each breath. He was near death, and the primary goal of medical care was to control pain, agitation, and dyspnea. He was given a subcutaneous infusion of opioids at an equianalgesic dose 30 percent higher than his usual dose, and the nurses were instructed to give him another dose, equal to 10 percent of the total daily dose, "as needed" every half hour if he appeared to be in pain (the proper approach, according to standard guidelines). But several nurses and physicians refused to give the "as needed" doses, despite evidence of continuing distress, because they feared hastening his death. Ethics and palliative care consultants were called in, and they refocused the team on the professional obligation to relieve pain and suffering. The patient died hours after receiving the additional doses, and some staff members remained unsettled about whether they might have been legally liable for "causing" his death." Dammit … when do I get to get on with my OWN agenda and quit having to fight stuff like this? If it isn’t eminent domain abuse, or the ACLU, or the ignorant "Bush Lied" brigade that’s eating into my time, it’s the goddamned federal government trying to tell me how to DIE! This is NOT the government’s business, and if I can’t help a tiny bit by opposing this BS locally and nationally, then by God if and when I’m Patient 3 I’ll do my very best to make my point with a speech and a hand grenade or shotgun on live TV. It’s *M*Y* damned life, not anyone else’s. WHEN are people going to stop letting the government run every tiny or totally personal part of their lives? I.P.

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No Steve, I am Not motownbob. IRL, my name is Luke. I have been motownmoto for a very long time. I chose the name due to my interest (read passion) for motorcycles. This is how I normally sig when in the M/C NGs. v v v v v moto Hondas Rule. Harleys drool. A bird in the hand ain’t worth much.

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Never heard anyone admit a passion for Hondas.  Only had one MC in my life; a 1976 750 SS. — Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75 PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05 PSA  .07 .05 .06 .05 non Illegitimi carborundum

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No Steve, I am Not motownbob. IRL, my name is Luke. I have been motownmoto for a very long time. I chose the name due to my interest (read passion) for motorcycles. This is how I normally sig when in the M/C NGs. v v v v v moto Hondas Rule. Harleys drool. A bird in the hand ain’t worth much.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -4 years ago I was is the midst of clinical depression after finding my PSA was elevated, and was told I’d havta be cut. I posted here for a spell. I had a biopsy, and it showed (so I was told) that something wasn’t right. Even though my heart guy said I should choose something other than surgery, due to my heart condition, this asshole urologist figgered he could pull it off without putting my six foot under. I told him to stick his finger in his own ass and I’d see what I could work out. Well, since then I have been treated for lung cancer with both chemo and radiation. The prostate ‘thing’ was put on the back burner in order to save my ass from something a ‘bit’ more important than an enlarged prostate. Lemme tell you something about chemo and radiation. Those oncologist scare the piss outta you with all their warnings. Truth is, MOST patience go through either one or both with less effect than what they were warned. I was one. I told the radiation guy that I should have known nothing bad was gonna happen. BTW, I had 20 rounds. The reason I told him, was that I knew I shouldn’t have a fear of radiation was due to my previous experiance with it. I told him the door fell off my microwave. I tripped the switch and used it like that for a year, and nothing happened. Of course, the only way I knew things in the mocrowave were done, was when I got a Headache. (a little radiation humor) Seriously, If radiation is an option, DO IT. BTW II. You folks were VERY kind and supportive of me during that ‘bad’ spell I went through. Thanks … moto

i am enjoying the levity. Lori

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I remember a "motownbob".  Was (is) that you? If so, I thought you had robot surgery last year. — Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75 PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05 PSA  .07 .05 .06 .05 non Illegitimi carborundum

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 4 years ago I was is the midst of clinical depression after finding my PSA was elevated, and was told I’d havta be cut. I posted here for a spell. I had a biopsy, and it showed (so I was told) that something wasn’t right. Even though my heart guy said I should choose something other than surgery, due to my heart condition, this asshole urologist figgered he could pull it off without putting my six foot under. I told him to stick his finger in his own ass and I’d see what I could work out. Well, since then I have been treated for lung cancer with both chemo and radiation. The prostate ‘thing’ was put on the back burner in order to save my ass from something a ‘bit’ more important than an enlarged prostate. Lemme tell you something about chemo and radiation. Those oncologist scare the piss outta you with all their warnings. Truth is, MOST patience go through either one or both with less effect than what they were warned. I was one. I told the radiation guy that I should have known nothing bad was gonna happen. BTW, I had 20 rounds. The reason I told him, was that I knew I shouldn’t have a fear of radiation was due to my previous experiance with it. I told him the door fell off my microwave. I tripped the switch and used it like that for a year, and nothing happened. Of course, the only way I knew things in the mocrowave were done, was when I got a Headache. (a little radiation humor) Seriously, If radiation is an option, DO IT. BTW II. You folks were VERY kind and supportive of me during that ‘bad’ spell I went through. Thanks … moto

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4 years ago I was is the midst of clinical depression after finding my PSA was elevated, and was told I’d havta be cut. I posted here for a spell. I had a biopsy, and it showed (so I was told) that something wasn’t right. Even though my heart guy said I should choose something other than surgery, due to my heart condition, this asshole urologist figgered he could pull it off without putting my six foot under. I told him to stick his finger in his own ass and I’d see what I could work out. Well, since then I have been treated for lung cancer with both chemo and radiation. The prostate ‘thing’ was put on the back burner in order to save my ass from something a ‘bit’ more important than an enlarged prostate. Lemme tell you something about chemo and radiation. Those oncologist scare the piss outta you with all their warnings. Truth is, MOST patience go through either one or both with less effect than what they were warned. I was one. I told the radiation guy that I should have known nothing bad was gonna happen. BTW, I had 20 rounds. The reason I told him, was that I knew I shouldn’t have a fear of radiation was due to my previous experiance with it. I told him the door fell off my microwave. I tripped the switch and used it like that for a year, and nothing happened. Of course, the only way I knew things in the mocrowave were done, was when I got a Headache. (a little radiation humor) Seriously, If radiation is an option, DO IT. BTW II. You folks were VERY kind and supportive of me during that ‘bad’ spell I went through. Thanks … moto

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Need to stay close by for my attorney.  I’m a little disappointed, but I will feel better staying here. The holidays are coming up anyway.  I’ll use the time then to see my folks. Ah, change of plans. I know how tough things must be right now. Stay strong. Meryl

I am, Meryl.  Or, at least I’m trying!!  Considering "stuff", I’m amazed at where I am in my thoughts.  Leaning very close to God right now…  and of course, good friends in RL as well as in news groups. Love to you, M.!!! —

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Our society can be very cruel for the aesthetically-challenged. The answer is not only a need for self-esteem but the courage to tell detractors that you ARE a beautiful person, no matter what they think. Remember; people who matter don’t judge, people who judge don’t matter. You want people to tell detractors that everybody *is* beautiful… but in the first sentence you plainly stated that some are aesthetically challenged. Removing one label and replacing it with another doesn’t solve a thing. The only people who use the term "aesthetically challenged" are disingenuous pieces of trash.  They mean *ugly*, and any ugly person who isn’t also "intellectually challenged" knows that. Being ugly wouldn’t be so bad as long as person is smart enough to know that anyone who tells them they are "aesthetically challenged" is full of shit. — SAINT, n. A dead sinner revised and edited.  - Ambrose Bierce Thankfully, not everyone is so shallow that their definition of what is beautiful and what is "ugly" is determined strictly one’s aesthetic qualities. There are many people in this world who may not possess your standards of physical attractiveness but they are still rank amongst the most beautiful people.

I think you missed his point. You would need to get your head around some of the Gestalt thinking but *you* are the one making the definition not him. One’s perception is infinitely definable and holds no truth only opinion. Truth *is* an opinion. If you are worried about beauty and ugliness and wish to define people this way, either inside or outside, then you are perpetuating the pain and suffering people experience by these definitions. "Aesthetically challenged" is disingenuous because it is just another description of ugly. The sooner we as animals get beyond symbols such as personal beauty and ugliness the quicker we will arrive at our destination as humans. Our actions and our aspirations are what make up our value not genetic physicality that nature has bestowed on us with very little choice of our own.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Our society can be very cruel for the aesthetically-challenged. The answer is not only a need for self-esteem but the courage to tell detractors that you ARE a beautiful person, no matter what they think. Remember; people who matter don’t judge, people who judge don’t matter. You want people to tell detractors that everybody *is* beautiful… but in the first sentence you plainly stated that some are aesthetically challenged. Removing one label and replacing it with another doesn’t solve a thing. The only people who use the term "aesthetically challenged" are disingenuous pieces of trash.  They mean *ugly*, and any ugly person who isn’t also "intellectually challenged" knows that. Being ugly wouldn’t be so bad as long as person is smart enough to know that anyone who tells them they are "aesthetically challenged" is full of shit. — SAINT, n. A dead sinner revised and edited.   – Ambrose Bierce

Thankfully, not everyone is so shallow that their definition of what is beautiful and what is "ugly" is determined strictly one’s aesthetic qualities. There are many people in this world who may not possess your standards of physical attractiveness but they are still rank amongst the most beautiful people.

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Our society can be very cruel for the aesthetically-challenged. The answer is not only a need for self-esteem but the courage to tell detractors that you ARE a beautiful person, no matter what they think. Remember; people who matter don’t judge, people who judge don’t matter. http://my.webmd.com/content/article/106/108218.htm  Three in four people who are preoccupied with an imagined or slight defect in their appearance have thought about committing suicide. What’s more, about one in four have actually attempted to take their lives, a new study shows. The researchers surveyed people with body dysmorphic disorder, or BDD, a serious illness that causes a person to be preoccupied with minor or imagined flaws.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes Our society can be very cruel for the aesthetically-challenged. The answer is not only a need for self-esteem but the courage to tell detractors that you ARE a beautiful person, no matter what they think. Remember; people who matter don’t judge, people who judge don’t matter. You are clearly stupid.  Everybody judges including you – as evidenced by your ‘aesthetically challenged’ blunder.  Good looking people have it easier than ugly people, and that’s just reality. Finally.  Geez louise.  I had to read about a lot of research to prove this to people.  In the end, no one ever really came out and admitted it this coldly, they mostly just shut up once they realized I had my i’s dotted and my t’s crossed.  The jig was up, there wasn’t much more for them to say.  What a game.  Making someone have to prove self-evident reality.  This is when I began to realize the only person I can fully trust on this planet is me.

You can trust tell it like it is Luna, too. Anyway.  I’ve seen too many uninhibited groups of teenagers say really cruel thing to overweight or different looking people in malls to think that the truth is anything but.  Plus I have vague recollections of being a kid myself. Jean – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I disagree that good people necessarily have it better than ugly… but Oops, Freudian slip? I meant good looking people.

When I saw you’d posted right after as I was reading your previous one, I knew why as soon as I’d read that. Good looking people are generally more positively responded to.  They have more self confidence.  I think life is better for good looking people (generalization)  - I’m not saying that’s a good thing, it just is.  I’d even go so far as saying that extreme ugliness is a valid disability inasmuch as it impedes the progress of one’s life in society. Jean .

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I disagree that good people necessarily have it better than ugly… but

Oops, Freudian slip? I meant good looking people.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Our society can be very cruel for the aesthetically-challenged. The answer is not only a need for self-esteem but the courage to tell detractors that you ARE a beautiful person, no matter what they think. Remember; people who matter don’t judge, people who judge don’t matter. You are clearly stupid.  Everybody judges including you – as evidenced by your ‘aesthetically challenged’ blunder.  Good looking people have it easier than ugly people, and that’s just reality.  Then again, the Elephant Man has a pretty good reputation. What kind of doctor lives in apartment 3157? Jean

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My dearest internet peeps, friends and strangers that are owned by cats (heh…  now THAT covers everyone)… My mom had a CAT(heh)scan done this past Thursday.  The results will be read to her tomorrow (while my dear father holds her hand).  In 2002, Mom was diagnosed w/uterine cancer.  She fought it (radiation) and beat it!!  We (Mom, Dad, Joe-Hubby and moi) celebrated by going to Hawaii in early 2003. In mid 2004, Mom was diagnosed with lung cancer.  The uterine cancer had metastized to her lungs.  She began hard-core chemo in Oct., 2004.  This has been very, very, VERY hard on me.  Mom is my best friend in the whole world. (I’m 42, she’s 69).  Anyway, Mom beat the ‘rap’ in Jan. of this year.  For me, I was fighting my own demons after being diagnosed with the lovely FMS. Pain pills became my best friend.  Then they became Chicklets.  I started popping them in amounts that were very dangerous for me.  By March of this year, I couldn’t walk, get to the bathroom or eat because I was high on pills.  I was dying.  Mom was better, but I was SO sick from my addiction. Then (in March), Joe, my therapist, my inlaws and my own folks came to my I beat it too.  For three weeks, I fought for my sanity and health, but life was out there, and so was my mom.  I got out in April.  By May, I was settled and happy again.  May came all to quickly tho’, as did the next test for Mom to confirm her remission…  only…  it wasn’t confirmed…  it was ‘denied’ instead.  The cancer was back.  Chemo was suggested, but Mom said no.  So, an "oral" chemo was suggested to which she agreed. Tomorrow will be a stand still until I get the call regarding my best friend’s fate…  aka: Mom.  IF the cancer is growing, I don’t know if Mom will allow chemo (real chemo) again.  IF she denies it, well…  everyone knows what lung cancer does. So please.  Purrs.  Prayers.  Meditation.  Barks.  Growls.  Kneeling down to the chicken bones and banana peels in the corner of your bedroom lit by candles.  Anything.  ANYTHING that will get through to your Higher Power to get through to mine.  Please, please, please…  let my Mom stay here with me.  Selfish?  Yeah…  you betcha.  I can’t stop loving her alive. I just can’t. —