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I tell people that my doctor has said that I have to be eating this way because it is easy on the pancreas and liver so that I don’t die of pancreatic cancer or liver cancer. I tell them (this is true) that my grandfather died from pancreatic cancer. I also tell them (and this is true) that my blood tests have shown a propensity for these diseases.

That’s gotta be terrifying for you, Val. I’m glad you’ve found a way to likely avoid all that. Best wishes! Carol — 226/188.5/150 July Challenge Goal – 189 (YAY!) http://photos.yahoo.com/carol_arie Atkins since 1-26-2003 Type 2 Diabetic since 5-15-2001

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – EVERYONE asks how I am losing weight. After I tell them I am following a LC eating plan, their response is either, "As soon as you go off it you are going to gain all the weight back" (Isn’t that the same for any ‘diet’?) or "That really isn’t healthy" (Its healthier than being obese) or some variation of those two. I am tired of explaining how this is not a diet, it is a life style change, how I am aware of the fact that I will have to add carbs when I get closer to my goal, that I am taking viatmins, that I had my blood work done and will be following up on that after 3 months, yadda, yadda, yadda. Does anyone have a good one line response to the critics? Thanks in advance. D

I think people focus on the LC part and perhaps assume that we are somehow starving ourselves. Someone in this newsgroup had a good take on it and it’s proved th be somewhat useful. I just tell people that I’m eating the same amount of food, but mostly meats and veggies instead of mostly carbs. Not only that, but this has suppressed my appetite so I’m not going hungry (far from it) and I’m not missing all the snacks. I’m not a long timer on this (5 months), but I don’t find that the adjustments I’ve made are something that I can’t carry with me from now on. Mick LC since 2/15/2003 173/143/143

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – EVERYONE asks how I am losing weight. After I tell them I am following a LC eating plan, their response is either, "As soon as you go off it you are going to gain all the weight back" (Isn’t that the same for any ‘diet’?) or "That really isn’t healthy" (Its healthier than being obese) or some variation of those two. I am tired of explaining how this is not a diet, it is a life style change, how I am aware of the fact that I will have to add carbs when I get closer to my goal, that I am taking viatmins, that I had my blood work done and will be following up on that after 3 months, yadda, yadda, yadda. Does anyone have a good one line response to the critics? Thanks in advance. D I think people focus on the LC part and perhaps assume that we are somehow starving ourselves. Someone in this newsgroup had a good take on it and it’s proved th be somewhat useful. I just tell people that I’m eating the same amount of food, but mostly meats and veggies instead of mostly carbs. Not only that, but this has suppressed my appetite so I’m not going hungry (far from it) and I’m not missing all the snacks. I’m not a long timer on this (5 months), but I don’t find that the adjustments I’ve made are something that I can’t carry with me from now on. Mick LC since 2/15/2003 173/143/143

So, does this mean that you’ve found that the adjustments you’ve made are something that you can carry with you from now on? ;-) (Don’t mind me — I’m the king of double and tripple negatives.) — Bob M in CT

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Does anyone have a good one line response to the critics?

I just say "I gave up sugar and foods that turn to sugar in the body. I eat alot more healthy vegetables and drink lots of water. " I usually get the deer in the headlights look or they think that sounds really healthy. Gloria in KC 196/171/145

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announced in front of God and everybody: EVERYONE asks how I am losing weight. After I tell them I am following a LC eating plan, their response is either, "As soon as you go off it you are going to gain all the weight back" (Isn’t that the same for any ‘diet’?) or "That really isn’t healthy" (Its healthier than being obese) or some variation of those two.

So don’t tell them it’s low-carb. Say, "Oh, I’m eating healthier and getting more exercise" then change the subject. You’re not lying. There’s not law that says you owe people the details of what you do with your personal life — one can be vague without being rude. I usually find that approach handles most personal questions quite nicely. Dawn

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —– Original Message —– Newsgroups: alt.support.diet.low-carb Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 7:56 AM Unhealthy….please….and three bags of Oreos, two pounds of Hershey’s Kisses and 4 pints of Ben and Jerry’s a week is somehow healthier than LC. That and carrying an extra Backstreet Boy on my ass. — Wayne Crannell Atkins+ 10/27/01 250/140 ~ If you’re not gonna use that extra Backstreet Boy . . . . may I have him? Mariboo

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"Val in Boise" wrote … I tell people that my doctor has said that I have to be eating this way because it is easy on the pancreas and liver

One of the things which attracted me to this WOE is that my father died of pancreatic cancer, and my mother has diabetes. Mind you, she also has gallstones, meaning there are about four things left she can eat without *something* blowing up. And when I decided I needed to lose weight (some would say better late than never!) I asked Mum which of the many, many diets she’s tried in her life worked the best and was easiest to stick to, and she said low carb. She was on a low carb diet for about a year in the early ’70s, but didn’t stick with it (despite the fact that it worked) because my father didn’t like it. So I have evidence that low carb works for someone with the closest I’m ever likely to find to my own metabolism, even if she didn’t stick with it. — Lexin www.redrosepress.co.uk www.livejournal.com/~lexin LC since 9 June 2003 (300/276/182)

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I tend to say that I’ve controlled my intake of sugars, starches, and empty calories.

How do you answer them should they be wise enough to realize that fat is empty Calories (and by definition, it is)? It contains no vitamins, and no minerals, and since most here are running away from protein as well, it usually constitutes more then 50% of the Calories in most people’s diet.

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Tell them that your body is intolerant of refined sugars and starches (this is true – when you eat them, you feel crappy, and you gain weight). I’m able to play the diabetes card. I guess I’m "fortunate" in that respect. I’ve been more forthright lately about saying I’m on Atkins, and I really haven’t had a problem. Not even with my doctor, although I waited to tell her until after I’d lost over 30 pounds.

Maybe I can play a "my grandfather is diabetic" card? — Michael Nielsen M.Sc.EE Music: http://mp3.com/archon2 Website: http://www.archonia.dk

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I’m able to play the diabetes card. I guess I’m "fortunate" in that respect. I’ve been more forthright lately about saying I’m on Atkins, and I really haven’t had a problem. Not even with my doctor, although I waited to tell her until after I’d lost over 30 pounds. Maybe I can play a "my grandfather is diabetic" card?

If it’s Type 2 diabetes, you sure can. That stuff’s hereditary! Carol — 226/188.5/150 July Challenge Goal – 189 (YAY!) http://photos.yahoo.com/carol_arie Atkins since 1-26-2003 Type 2 Diabetic since 5-15-2001

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Maybe I can play a "my grandfather is diabetic" card? If it’s Type 2 diabetes, you sure can. That stuff’s hereditary!

It is, but my grandmother had my father with another man. But they don’t know that — Michael Nielsen M.Sc.EE Music: http://mp3.com/archon2 Website: http://www.archonia.dk

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I tend to say that I’ve controlled my intake of sugars, starches, and empty calories. How do you answer them should they be wise enough to realize that fat is empty Calories (and by definition, it is)? It contains no vitamins, and no minerals, and since most here are running away from protein as well, it usually constitutes more then 50% of the Calories in most people’s diet.

Red meat contains no vitamins or minerals? Eggs contain no vitamins? True, fat alone has no vitamins or minerals. But who eats fat just by itself? All the meat we eat has some vitamins and minerals. The only "pure fat" I eat is some fish oil, flax seed oil, and olive oil, which are very minor amounts of fat for my diet. The rest of my fat is "natural" fat — eggs, milk products and meat. — Bob M in CT

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Maybe I can play a "my grandfather is diabetic" card? If it’s Type 2 diabetes, you sure can. That stuff’s hereditary! It is, but my grandmother had my father with another man. But they don’t know that

Damsel punches Archon – HARD! Carol — 226/188.5/150 July Challenge Goal – 189 (YAY!) http://photos.yahoo.com/carol_arie Atkins since 1-26-2003 Type 2 Diabetic since 5-15-2001

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Damsel punches Archon – HARD!

Didn’t I tell you this a long time ago when you told about your meds nad I told about that my grandfather uses insulin injections? — Michael Nielsen M.Sc.EE Music: http://mp3.com/archon2 Website: http://www.archonia.dk

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Damsel punches Archon – HARD! Didn’t I tell you this a long time ago when you told about your meds nad I told about that my grandfather uses insulin injections?

Sorry, no. I’ve got next to no memory. That’s why a lot of my personal interaction is online. I can always read back and figure out what the heck I was in the middle of saying. Carol — 226/188.5/150 July Challenge Goal – 189 (YAY!) http://photos.yahoo.com/carol_arie Atkins since 1-26-2003 Type 2 Diabetic since 5-15-2001

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Red meat contains no vitamins or minerals? Eggs contain no vitamins? True, fat alone has no vitamins or minerals. But who eats fat just by

Protein yes, it does contain minerals (and some vitamins), no argument there, and I never argued against protein. Most of the advice doesn’t advocate the increase of protein, most advice advocates the decreasing of protein (fear of excess protein being turned to glucose), and tell people to increase fat (add oil, etc). So on one hand you have people stating they don’t eat empty Calories, yet that is exactly what they are doing by increasing percentage of fat Calories to excess. So if you look at RDA intake of most diets, you will note they are lacking, yet people are complaining that the US RDA (and Canadian RNI) amounts are to low. Go figure. itself? All the meat we eat has some vitamins and minerals. The only "pure fat" I eat is some fish oil, flax seed oil, and olive oil, which are very minor amounts of fat for my diet. The rest of my fat is "natural" fat — eggs, milk products and meat.

No argument about fat from food, but if the fat from food is an excessive percentage of total Calories, one will not receive adequate intake of all V/M, before their Calorie allowances are spent.

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Does anyone have a good one line response to the critics? I tend to say that I’ve controlled my intake of sugars, starches, and empty calories. People seem to relate to that a little more easily. I never hear anyone say "But you *need* sugar and white flour!". I don’t mention the word "Low Carb", because then people tend to automatically think "Atkins" (which I am not following), which (I know better, because i’ve read the book) to *them*, translates to "All meat".

If I’m talking to someone whom I don’t think will be open minded to low-carbing, this is what I do, especially those times when you just don’t want to get into it. However, I’ve been amazed by the number of people who are at least moderately well informed about low carb and don’t think it’s the root of all dietary evil. Martha — Begin where you are – but don’t end there.

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I get that frequently, as well. I usually say: 1) Do you realize that you are actually saying carbs DO make you fat? 2) How is cutting out fried foods and processed sugars from my diet unhealthy? Then I explain that my cholesterol droped 40 points, blood pressure went from high normal to normal and my immune system is such that, since starting this WOE, I’ve barley not more than a sniffle. Sounds pretty healthy to me. ADC 250/190/185

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EVERYONE asks how I am losing weight. After I tell them I am following a LC eating plan, their response is either, "As soon as you go off it you are going to gain all the weight back" (Isn’t that the same for any ‘diet’?) or "That really isn’t healthy" (Its healthier than being obese) or some variation of those two. I am tired of explaining how this is not a diet, it is a life style change, how I am aware of the fact that I will have to add carbs when I get closer to my goal, that I am taking viatmins, that I had my blood work done and will be following up on that after 3 months, yadda, yadda, yadda. Does anyone have a good one line response to the critics?

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I’d just say, "That’s nice. Excuse me." and walk away. Priscilla — Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, minutus carborata descendum pantorum. (from topfive.com)

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I think absolutely the biggest misconception about LC maintenance is that it is some sort of freakish, twisted eating scheme involving pentagrams and sacrificing live chickens. (well, OK, maybe the second part, no offense to our Wiccan friends here By the time you get to maintenance, you are eating just about the same things as everyone else, and certainly MORE of the good stuff. These days I eat everything but bread, rice, potatoes, pasta, and sweet stuff. There are a very few fruits (apples, bananas, etc.) and vegetables (corn) I won’t eat, but everything else is fair game. Hell, I’m making haggis tonight using a little bit of oats and some other substitutes. I get about 50% of my calories from fat but never add fat just to get there, and none of that is evil, awful, nasty, spawn of Satan transfat. That leaves an awful lot of food, and all of it orders of magnitude better for me than the latest McConcoction fast-food non-sense. (I had a MacSalad last week, and the dressing they provided had 9 freaking grams of carbs for 2T!?!?! That’s insane.) Unhealthy….please….and three bags of Oreos, two pounds of Hershey’s Kisses and 4 pints of Ben and Jerry’s a week is somehow healthier than LC. That and carrying an extra Backstreet Boy on my ass. — Wayne Crannell Atkins+ 10/27/01 250/140

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1. "Why would I want to go off it?" 2. "I’m still trying to figure out what is not healthy." — Wayne Crannell Atkins+ 10/27/01 250/140

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The only real response for the critics is to take the weight off and keep it off for many years to come. Many people who lose weight low carbing *do* gain it all back on and then some. That includes many of the people who post here full of enthusiasm during their first year on the diet. Those in the first flush of enthusiasm for the diet underestimate how difficult it becomes to stay on it year after year. It has been my experience that when I stopped low carbing I regained weight very fast, even though I was eating at the same calorie levels I was eating at while maintaining a low carb weight loss. This is probably because of the nature of the metabolic changes that the body makes while in a prolonged state of low carbing which are similar to those made in a long term state of starvation. So the naysayers are not necessarily being stupid or negative when they raise that objection. The good news is that there are people who do low carb for years, maintain their weight losses, and improve their health. You can be one of them, though the journey is challenging and you’ll experience many twists and turns as the years unfold. I’m still low carbing almost 5 years since starting. I’m finishing up 4 years of low carbing, with one year off in the middle. Right now, my body fat percentage is well within the "normal" range. I’m told by reliable sources that my figure is "hot." I’m going to be 55 next week, but I’m wearing clothing I bought in the "teenage" section of the store. My diabetes is in such good control that my doctor sometimes wonders if I really WAS diabetic. (I was.) That kind of success, rather than anything you can say, is what will convince people of the healthiness of your diet. Arguing is a waste of time. — Jenny 168.5/141 9/1998 – 8/2001 and 11/10/02 – Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work?

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