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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The quoted text is a post posted to this newsgroup on a thread and NOT a private email. I don’t post private email on Usenet for obvious reasons. I should think you would have waited to get the answer to that before typing your last remark . A good point. I should have gotten clarification from you before blasting my suspicions to the newsgroup. I did look through earlier postings and couldn’t find the quoted text but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t there. Apologies for any offense taken, and the wasted bandwidth. Jim Rosinski N3825Q

Accepted, and thank you. This issue seems to be a hot button for both myself and othersfor various reasons. You had every right to ask. Sorry you missed the post. Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired For personal email, please replace the at with what goes there and take out the Z’s please! dhenriquesZatZearthZlinkZdotZnet

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A good point. I should have gotten clarification from you before blasting my suspicions to the newsgroup. I did look through earlier postings and couldn’t find the quoted text but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t there.

It was there. — Peter

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is something very strange in the human psyche. A plane crash or an auto crash or a big fire will invariably draw a big crowd. I don’t know why. I don’t think that people want to see others die; you won’t see crowds of people watching Internet videos of leukemia victims. They just want to see something big and spectacular and violent. A lot of entertainment is built around that. Most modern movies seem to have lost all concept of plot in favor of more and bigger ’special effects.’ People go to see demolition derbies. The potential for seeing a crash is, in fact, one of the reasons that a lot of people go to races. Why is that? What is it about people that they want to see this?

The answers to this question and many more concerning these issues are covered completely by intensive professional opinion in Gen Des Barker’s definitive manual on the dangers involved in display flying; "ZERO ERROR MARGIN". I suggest that anyone even remotely interested in airshow safety and the issues involved with this venue get a personal copy of this book. It covers every aspect of both the flying and the accident end of the airshow equation. I will be happy to supply the address for ordering this manual to anyone requesting it. Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired For personal email, please replace the at with what goes there and take out the Z’s please! dhenriquesZatZearthZlinkZdotZnet

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently posted a strong objection to a photographer pushing crash videos on the newsgroups. I’ve pasted in below word for word the exact quoted text of a post below addressed to me personally. Aside from the personal comment the photographer makes to me, which is fine, and fully within his right to do so in defense of his position, please note his GENERAL FEELINGS about race pilots and airshow pilots, and after reading his general comment about pilots like myself, ask yourself if this person is, as he has said, involved in his hobby of crash photography simply because he "loves" aviation? Ask yourself about his frame of thinking as he’s watching pilots like myself do a demonstration. Then ask yourself how he feels about me as he’s taking that video! Thank you for your time, From Iwan Bogels to me below; I don’t have to put up with the opinion of some  hypocrite pilot who is involved in demonstration flights and air races, intended  to push flying to the limit. If it wasn’t for guys like you, about 50% of  all crash videos would have never been shot because the crashes simply  didn’t occur.

If it wasn’t for guys like you, aviation would be much more dangerous. Thank God for those who define the limits for the rest of us. — Gene Seibel Hangar 131 – http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html Because I fly, I envy no one.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently posted a strong objection to a photographer pushing crash videos on the newsgroups. I’ve pasted in below word for word the exact quoted text of a post below addressed to me personally. Aside from the personal comment the photographer makes to me, which is fine, and fully within his right to do so in defense of his position, please note his GENERAL FEELINGS about race pilots and airshow pilots, and after reading his general comment about pilots like myself, ask yourself if this person is, as he has said, involved in his hobby of crash photography simply because he "loves" aviation? Ask yourself about his frame of thinking as he’s watching pilots like myself do a demonstration. Then ask yourself how he feels about me as he’s taking that video! Thank you for your time, From Iwan Bogels to me below; I don’t have to put up with the opinion of some  hypocrite pilot who is involved in demonstration flights and air races, intended  to push flying to the limit. If it wasn’t for guys like you, about 50% of  all crash videos would have never been shot because the crashes simply  didn’t occur. If it wasn’t for guys like you, aviation would be much more dangerous. Thank God for those who define the limits for the rest of us.

This newsgroup is like the TV.  Fatal or severe injury crashes are not allowed.  Only slight injury crashes are allowed. It is a civic duty to maintain these common decencies.

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A lot of entertainment is built around that. Most modern movies seem to have lost all concept of plot in favor of more and bigger ’special effects.’ People go to see demolition derbies. The potential for seeing a crash is, in fact, one of the reasons that a lot of people go to races. Why is that? What is it about people that they want to see this?

I think the *potential* excites people but the actuality of it when it really happens is a big "downer." I know for me, when I see video of something like that, I think, "dammit, this guy was risking his neck to put on a show to entertain me." This is also why it’s one thing to see a big nasty crash where the driver/pilot gets up and walks away or waves from the stretcher, versus one where a life is lost. When I was in Spain a couple years ago on business I, being a Hemingway fan, naturally went to see a bullfight. I mentioned it and a bunch of my co-workers decided to come along too. It had the qualities of opera, the Latin Mass, and NASCAR all rolled into one; A first-class spectacle if I’ve ever seen it. And then at the end, when the matador draws the sword and points it towards the bull to go for the killing blow, that brought home that this was in fact Blood Sport, in practice as well as principle. Having hunted deer, birds, etc. growing up, I did not find the sight of it all so shocking as did many of my more urbanized co-workers. But it was still to some degree a strange thing to see, and I suspect it will largely die out within the next couple of generations as the conventional wisdom comes to see it as barbarism, plain and simple. -cwk.

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The quoted text is a post posted to this newsgroup on a thread and NOT a private email. I don’t post private email on Usenet for obvious reasons. I should think you would have waited to get the answer to that before typing your last remark .

A good point. I should have gotten clarification from you before blasting my suspicions to the newsgroup. I did look through earlier postings and couldn’t find the quoted text but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t there. Apologies for any offense taken, and the wasted bandwidth. Jim Rosinski N3825Q

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He’s obviously never been one of the people who has had to rescue/attempt to rescue or otherwise extract a friend or collegue from the wreckage of a mishap.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently posted a strong objection to a photographer pushing crash videos on the newsgroups. I’ve pasted in below word for word the exact quoted text of a post below addressed to me personally.   [...] From [name deleted] to me below; In any event I don’t think what what he had to say to you (and I’ve deleted) was so bad. But if it was truly addressed to you personally and not posted to a newsgroup (your wording is unclear), I wonder how he likes having his words from a personal email showing up in a newsgroup posting. Jim Rosinski N3825Q

The quoted text is a post posted to this newsgroup on a thread and NOT a private email. I don’t post private email on Usenet for obvious reasons. I should think you would have waited to get the answer to that before typing your last remark . Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired For personal email, please replace the at with what goes there and take out the Z’s please! dhenriquesZatZearthZlinkZdotZnet

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I recently posted a strong objection to a photographer pushing crash videos on the newsgroups. I’ve pasted in below word for word the exact quoted text of a post below addressed to me personally.   [...] From [name deleted] to me below;

In any event I don’t think what what he had to say to you (and I’ve deleted) was so bad. But if it was truly addressed to you personally and not posted to a newsgroup (your wording is unclear), I wonder how he likes having his words from a personal email showing up in a newsgroup posting. Jim Rosinski N3825Q

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I don’t think that people want to see others die;

Until fairly recently in Western culture, torture and lynching were popular spectator events (http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0309/lm18.html). –Gary

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There is something very strange in the human psyche. A plane crash or an auto crash or a big fire will invariably draw a big crowd. I don’t know why. I don’t think that people want to see others die; you won’t see crowds of people watching Internet videos of leukemia victims. They just want to see something big and spectacular and violent. A lot of entertainment is built around that. Most modern movies seem to have lost all concept of plot in favor of more and bigger ’special effects.’ People go to see demolition derbies. The potential for seeing a crash is, in fact, one of the reasons that a lot of people go to races. Why is that? What is it about people that they want to see this?

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I recently posted a strong objection to a photographer pushing crash videos on the newsgroups. I’ve pasted in below word for word the exact quoted text of a post below addressed to me personally. Aside from the personal comment the photographer makes to me, which is fine, and fully within his right to do so in defense of his position, please note his GENERAL FEELINGS about race pilots and airshow pilots, and after reading his general comment about pilots like myself, ask yourself if this person is, as he has said, involved in his hobby of crash photography simply because he "loves" aviation? Ask yourself about his frame of thinking as he’s watching pilots like myself do a demonstration. Then ask yourself how he feels about me as he’s taking that video! Thank you for your time, From Iwan Bogels to me below; – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I don’t have to put up with the opinion of some hypocrite pilot who is involved in demonstration flights and air races, intended to push flying to the limit. If it wasn’t for guys like you, about 50% of all crash videos would have never been shot because the crashes simply didn’t occur. Flying is relatively safe, but pushing flight to the limit for the fun of it just isn’t. Don’t complain if something goes wrong when guys like you are willingly taking more risk than necessary during air races and demonstration flights. And stop pointing fingers at people who are interested to see thrilling aviation just because it simply exites them. Pilots like you provided it to them in the first place!

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