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At 09:57 PM 08/24/1999 -0500, you wrote: >Dianne wrote in message >>>Ouch John- thats a great deal of stings. I only do 28 stings per week >>and this works very well for me. But if your body can tolerate that >many, >>thats great. I do think men require more venom than women. It has to >do >>with the difference in weight. Dianne-NY >I’m not THAT fat!  I’m actually getting in pretty good shape >thanks to the extra energy from the apitherapy.  Damn >leg muscles still don’t want to work correctly, though. >John- Hang in there. The legs will return- it takes time. I start my

7th year of BVT in Oct- but would do it all again- it was well worth it for me. P.S. I weigh 104 lbs- so I dont require a lot of stings. Dianne- NY – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Dianne,                                                                 Your program sounds a lot like my own, except for the BVT. I take over 100 supplements a day to make up for what my diet lacks.               Kip                                                                       – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dianne wrote: > >Henry- I havent had dairy in six years, this includes, cheese, butter, all > dairy. I havent any attacks or flare ups in that time- but Im sure its not > just dairy alone. It has helped a great deal, but Im very careful with my > entire diet. I also do BVT and take vitimins to replace what my diet is missing. > This dosnt work for everyone, but it works for me. Good Luck-

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At 12:47 AM 08/23/1999 GMT, you wrote: >Dianne, >Your program sounds a lot like my own, except for the BVT. I take over >100 supplements a day to make up for what my diet lacks. >Kip >Dianne wrote: >> >Henry- I havent had dairy in six years, this includes, cheese, butter, all >> dairy. I havent any attacks or flare ups in that time- but Im sure its not >> just dairy alone. It has helped a great deal, but Im very careful with my >> entire diet. I also do BVT and take vitimins to replace what my diet is missing. >> This dosnt work for everyone, but it works for me. Good Luck- >  Henry- you have me beat in the supplement dept, but thats great!!

   How is it working for you? It works very well for me. I think Diet    plays a big part in keeping the MS at Bay for me> How is it working    for you? Dianne-NY

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Ditto, everything Dianne said.  I had to quit all dairy products >because of allergies.  Who knows what came first, the MS or >the allergies, but regardless I have them now and if I use some >milk (Cow) product I get leg spasms/convulsions. >Yeah, I cheat sometimes for a good ice cream cone >but when I do I know that in about 15 minutes I’m going >to be paying for it for a couple hours. >I inject most of my vitamins and also do the BVT. >What’s one more sting from the needle when you >get stung by bees about 100 times a week. >John >Ouch John- thats a great deal of stings. I only do 28 stings per week

and this works very well for me. But if your body can tolerate that many, thats great. I do think men require more venom than women. It has to do with the difference in weight. Dianne-NY

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On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:35:07 -0400, "Meg" <mliverg…@mindspring.com123> wrote: >All respect, I’m pretty sure that milk is necessary to make Breyer’s >Chocolate Chip Mint ice cream, there is no substitute, and this cool, >refreshing delight is absolutely necessary for my survival. Thanks for >sharing, though. Best regards, Meg

Talk to it! I am a true taster of Breyer’s stuff. Donn

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In article <37c17a26.532…@news1.cheetah.net>, d…@cheetah.net writes: >Our cat Blue drinks milk, she’s 18 years old.

Interesting. I have never had a cat that would drink milk!  Just water. (Preferably from the faucet.) Kathi

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No way can I give up milk chocolate. Smoking, alcohol, heroin……anything would be easier. Cheers, Paul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Henry Harmsen wrote: > I have been told that humans shouldn’t drink cow milk. > In fact, cow milk has been apparently linked to MS and other problems. > Has anyone out there stopped drinking cow milk and noticed changes? > Henry

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On 23 Aug 1999 02:11:58 GMT, kamatth…@aol.com (Kathi Matthews) wrote: >In article <37c17a26.532…@news1.cheetah.net>, d…@cheetah.net writes: >>Our cat Blue drinks milk, she’s 18 years old. >Interesting. I have never had a cat that would drink milk!  Just water. >(Preferably from the faucet.) >Kathi

Maybe the water was better. Donn

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It turns ‘em Blue, doncha know? 8~D Carmel Kathi Matthews wrote: > In article <37c17a26.532…@news1.cheetah.net>, d…@cheetah.net writes: > >Our cat Blue drinks milk, she’s 18 years old. > Interesting. I have never had a cat that would drink milk!  Just water. > (Preferably from the faucet.) > Kathi

– " Don’t wait for a light to appear at the end of the tunnel.   Stride down there and light the bloody thing yourself."

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Really, Kathi??? I have never seen a cat that didn’t love milk. Gaylan Kathi Matthews <kamatth…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:19990822221158.26115.00002079@ngol01.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <37c17a26.532…@news1.cheetah.net>, d…@cheetah.net writes: > Interesting. I have never had a cat that would drink milk!  Just water. > (Preferably from the faucet.) > Kathi

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Only if it is spoiled, for me. Henry Harmsen <hharm…@sympatico.ca> wrote in message

news:37C05A9A.9C40E221@sympatico.ca… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have been told that humans shouldn’t drink cow milk. > In fact, cow milk has been apparently linked to MS and other problems. > Has anyone out there stopped drinking cow milk and noticed changes? > Henry

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Kathi Matthews wrote: > Interesting. I have never had a cat that would drink milk!  Just water. > (Preferably from the faucet.)

I have 2 cats….ages 8 & 18….they both looooove milk… Lin ~~ You can tune a piano, but you can’t tuna fish ~~ My header never changes…..look carefully & don’t be fooled by forgeries!

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Henry Harmsen wrote: > I have been told that humans shouldn’t drink cow milk. > In fact, cow milk has been apparently linked to MS and other problems.

Then why don’t more people have MS? Sounds like a big pile of hoooey to me….. Lin ~~ You can tune a piano, but you can’t tuna fish ~~ My header never changes…..look carefully & don’t be fooled by forgeries!

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In article <OjUFM#X7#GA.208@cpmsnbbsa02>, "alexandgaylan" <alexandgay…@email.msn.com> writes: >Really, Kathi??? >I have never seen a cat that didn’t love milk. >Gaylan

Yeah, and I’m talking about 10 cats.  They preferred water.  My father had a cat that ate ice cream, though! Kathi

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Dianne wrote in message >>Ouch John- thats a great deal of stings. I only do 28 stings per week >and this works very well for me. But if your body can tolerate that many, >thats great. I do think men require more venom than women. It has to do >with the difference in weight. Dianne-NY

I’m not THAT fat!  I’m actually getting in pretty good shape thanks to the extra energy from the apitherapy.  Damn leg muscles still don’t want to work correctly, though. John

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Dianne wrote in message >>Henry- I havent had dairy in six years, this includes, cheese, butter, all >dairy. I havent any attacks or flare ups in that time- but Im sure its not >just dairy alone. It has helped a great deal, but Im very careful with my >entire diet. I also do BVT and take vitimins to replace what my diet is missing.

Ditto, everything Dianne said.  I had to quit all dairy products because of allergies.  Who knows what came first, the MS or the allergies, but regardless I have them now and if I use some milk (Cow) product I get leg spasms/convulsions. Yeah, I cheat sometimes for a good ice cream cone but when I do I know that in about 15 minutes I’m going to be paying for it for a couple hours. I inject most of my vitamins and also do the BVT. What’s one more sting from the needle when you get stung by bees about 100 times a week. John

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Dianne: OOOOOOOH!!!  How can you stand the BVT?   How did you get used to it?    Does it help the MS?  It must–I can’t believe anyone would do that if it didn’t! Dara S – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dianne wrote: > >Ditto, everything Dianne said.  I had to quit all dairy products > >because of allergies.  Who knows what came first, the MS or > >the allergies, but regardless I have them now and if I use some > >milk (Cow) product I get leg spasms/convulsions. > >Yeah, I cheat sometimes for a good ice cream cone > >but when I do I know that in about 15 minutes I’m going > >to be paying for it for a couple hours. > >I inject most of my vitamins and also do the BVT. > >What’s one more sting from the needle when you > >get stung by bees about 100 times a week. > >John > >Ouch John- thats a great deal of stings. I only do 28 stings per week > and this works very well for me. But if your body can tolerate that many, > thats great. I do think men require more venom than women. It has to do > with the difference in weight. Dianne-NY

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Henry Harmsen wrote: > I have been told that humans shouldn’t drink cow milk. > In fact, cow milk has been apparently linked to MS and other problems.

Henry Lots of stuff has been linked to MS and then proven not to be.  That said, if you are allergic to *anything*, you will stimulate your immune system into action.  That *MAY* stimulate the MS into action.  As far as I know, nothing has been proven for sure in this direction.  But the better your general health is, the better you will be able to handle the MS and anything else that comes along.        L

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At 11:49 PM 08/22/1999 GMT, you wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Henry, >I’ve heard since long befor I had MS that cow’s milk is no good for >humans (or any dairy products). In school I missed a day every week >because I had a "cold". When I was 17 I quit drinking milf and eating >dairy products. I’ve never had a "cold" since. I’m 39 (I’ll be 40 sept >7th). I don’t think it causes MS though. >Kip >Henry Harmsen wrote: >> I have been told that humans shouldn’t drink cow milk. >> In fact, cow milk has been apparently linked to MS and other problems. >> Has anyone out there stopped drinking cow milk and noticed changes? >> Henry >Henry- I havent had dairy in six years, this includes, cheese, butter, all

dairy. I havent any attacks or flare ups in that time- but Im sure its not just dairy alone. It has helped a great deal, but Im very careful with my entire diet. I also do BVT and take vitimins to replace what my diet is missing. This dosnt work for everyone, but it works for me. Good Luck- Dianne-NY

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On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:43:41 GMT, Henry Harmsen <hharm…@sympatico.ca> wrote: >I have been told that humans shouldn’t drink cow milk. >In fact, cow milk has been apparently linked to MS and other problems. >Has anyone out there stopped drinking cow milk and noticed changes? >Henry

So you’re suggesting that I not have my morning banana with cereal and milk? You want me to give up my milk and cookies before bed? When I don’t have those daily gems, I get cranky. Donn

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Henry,                                                                 I’ve heard since long befor I had MS that cow’s milk is no good for humans (or any dairy products). In school I missed a day every week because I had a "cold". When I was 17 I quit drinking milf and eating dairy products. I’ve never had a "cold" since. I’m 39 (I’ll be 40 sept 7th). I don’t think it causes MS though.                               Kip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Henry Harmsen wrote: > I have been told that humans shouldn’t drink cow milk. > In fact, cow milk has been apparently linked to MS and other problems. > Has anyone out there stopped drinking cow milk and noticed changes? > Henry

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All respect, I’m pretty sure that milk is necessary to make Breyer’s Chocolate Chip Mint ice cream, there is no substitute, and this cool, refreshing delight is absolutely necessary for my survival. Thanks for sharing, though. Best regards, Meg > Dara wrote: [big snip] Milk is not necessary for survival and easily

replaced by other alternatives. <

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On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 18:00:38 -0700, Dara Sinnett <bob…@cpuinc.net> wrote: >Henry: >Humans are the only mammals that continue to drink milk after they are >weaned. >Even Cows do not drink milk.  Many, many people are allergic to it and do >not know it. I saw a documentary on TV that stated that milk is not being >pasteurized at a high enough heat to kill all of the bacteria/germs in it, >including a leukemia bug.  Although I had not been much of a milk drinker >that really clinched it.  We use a non dairy product called Vitamite and >it tastes good.  You can derive your calcium from a supplement or green >leafy vegetables.  Milk is not necessary for survival and easily replaced >by other alternatives.

Hmmm, Our cat Blue drinks milk, she’s 18 years old. Donn

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In article <37C09D36.9DC62…@cpuinc.net>, Dara Sinnett <bob…@cpuinc.net> writes: >I saw a documentary on TV that stated that milk is not being >pasteurized at a high enough heat to kill all of the bacteria/germs in it, >including a leukemia bug.  Although I had not been much of a milk drinker >that really clinched it.  We use a non dairy product called Vitamite and >it tastes good.  You can derive your calcium from a supplement or green >leafy vegetables.  Milk is not necessary for survival and easily replaced >by other alternatives.

I KNEW there was a good reason I hated it as a child!  :=}  And still do. Kathi

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Henry: Humans are the only mammals that continue to drink milk after they are weaned. Even Cows do not drink milk.  Many, many people are allergic to it and do not know it. I saw a documentary on TV that stated that milk is not being pasteurized at a high enough heat to kill all of the bacteria/germs in it, including a leukemia bug.  Although I had not been much of a milk drinker that really clinched it.  We use a non dairy product called Vitamite and it tastes good.  You can derive your calcium from a supplement or green leafy vegetables.  Milk is not necessary for survival and easily replaced by other alternatives. Dara S – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Henry Harmsen wrote: > I have been told that humans shouldn’t drink cow milk. > In fact, cow milk has been apparently linked to MS and other problems. > Has anyone out there stopped drinking cow milk and noticed changes? > Henry

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