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Yes I am fairly sure. You see at the Florida Institute of Health I saw many people doing chelation. I talked with several as well as those in charge. There are other cases in Dr James Carter’s book, Racketeering in Medicine.

IOW, there isn’t any evidence save anecdote.  And you think people should choose chelation over surgery? He is a Ph.D. Not that I care.

Not that you know.  What makes you think he is? I don’t know about the germ business.

Nice dodge, Jan.  He claims that vaccines, ALL vaccines, and almost ALL medicines and treatments by doctors are the main cause of disease.  He claims that germs and viruses do not cause disease.  All you can say is "I dunno"? So yes I do agree with much of what he says.

That’s because he oozes hatred for doctors and conventional medical care. "Whole nations will be deceived by the medicines of Satan." Rev. 18:23 Jan, please tell us where this quote is from.  Revelations?  Is it in your bible?  You are supporting it so I assume you’re sure that it comes from the bible.  So tell us where.  I can’t find it.  But since you’re the devout Christian, you must be able to. erf First of all I have never said I was a devout Christian.

OK.  You aren’t a devout Christian.  Thanks for clearing that up’ Second. My bible does not say these exact words. However one needs to have a commentary to fully inderstand the bible. In mine it states: This is a terrible picture drawn by John to show how completely the powers of earth will give themselves over to evil, should show those who have received the truth how dangerous it is to link up with secret societies or to join themselves in any way with those who do not keep God’s commandmants.

From this you get Dr C’s statement?  Really?  You find him qualified to interpret the word of God?  I suggest you seek spiritual guidance on this. I’ll bet you get told he’s out to lunch. I am not saying that each individual doctor is a part of this, but I do say that organized medicine is evil based.

Evil?  As in ruled by Satan?  Is this what you mean?  I think you are just going to absuird lengths to support not Dr. C because he despises doctors as much as you. erf

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Um, Alley cat scribbled:Evil?  As in ruled by Satan?  Is this what you mean? I think you are just going to absuird lengths to support not Dr. C because he despises doctors as much as you. erf

If you understand my position, I am against allopathic medicine and its cut,burn,poison treatments.  I am against the medical monopoly.  I am against the medical authorities, the true agents of Satan, who are perpetuating this deception.   Many of the doctors are as pissed off as we are.  These doctors are the unwilling victims as much as the patients. So, I do not despise doctors unles they show me that they are the willing agents of Satan, that their pride, ego, and size of their wallet means more to them than the health and welfare of their patients. Now go out and meow on the fence. DrC. PhD. "Whole nations will be deceived by the medicines of Satan." Rev. 18:23

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Can you show us where anyone else has come to this conclusion?  Who else interprets this biblical verse exactly as you have? GOD! I pray to him daily and often.  I trust is his infinite knowledge and his ability to guide and direct me through this life.

This is as close to a frank admission of insanity as you can get.  People who claim to be in direct communication with God are generally unstable individuals with paranoia psychosis.  Your claim that you (and you alone, since no other reference can be  found) share a novel interpretation of the Bible with God outs you as the deluded lying twit that your rantings here were evidence of.  The term "false prophet" comes to mind. erf

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Prove there is a god.  No anecdotes. rich – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can you show us where anyone else has come to this conclusion?  Who else interprets this biblical verse exactly as you have? erf GOD! I pray to him daily and often.  I trust is his infinite knowledge and his ability to guide and direct me through this life. Dr. C. PhD.

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Hey Charles! Prove there is a god.  No anecdotes please.  Use a pure language like mathematics to do so. rich PS.  How’s the job at Barnes and Noble going? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can you show us where anyone else has come to this conclusion?  Who else interprets this biblical verse exactly as you have? erf GOD! I pray to him daily and often.  I trust is his infinite knowledge and his ability to guide and direct me through this life. Dr. C. PhD.

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This is as close to a frank admission of insanity as you can get.  People who claim to be in direct communication with God are generally unstable individuals with paranoia psychosis.  Your claim that you (and you alone, since no other reference can be  found) share a novel interpretation of the Bible with God outs you as the deluded lying twit that your rantings here were evidence of.  The term "false prophet" comes to mind. erf

I never said that I was " in direct communication with God."   We exist in a body vehicle.  The windshield is our eyes.  We determine where we go and what we do.  However, there is an "auto pilot" in the trunk.  That auto pilot is the Holy Spirit.  All I do is try to determine from all the signs that all of us get, which is the correct message.  Sometimes I get it right.   Dr. C. PhD. "Whole nations will be deceived by the medicines of Satan." Rev. 18:23 This one I got right.

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Prove there is a god.  No anecdotes. rich

We exist. Dr. C. PhD. "Whole nations will be deceived by the medicines of Satan." Rev. 18:23

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I am against the medical authorities, the true agents of Satan, who are perpetuating this deception.

We know.  God told you. So, I do not despise doctors unles they show me that they are the willing agents of Satan,

YAYAH!!! It’s disturbing that anyone still supports you here. erf

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Can you show us where anyone else has come to this conclusion?  Who else interprets this biblical verse exactly as you have? erf

GOD! I pray to him daily and often.  I trust is his infinite knowledge and his ability to guide and direct me through this life. Dr. C. PhD.

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From the bible gateway Rev 18:23 The light of a lamp will never shine in you again. The voice of bridegroom and bride will never be heard in you again. Your merchants were the world’s great men. By your magic spell all the nations were led astray. Perhapse DrC was making a self referential post

It comes from the original Greek text. New American Standard Bible traslation: "…because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery." The Greek word is "pharmakia."  Possible translations for pharmakia are sorcery, medicines, or poisons.  Since all medicines are poisons the use of the word medicine for sorcery from the Greek word pharmakia makes more sense in todays vernacular. Dr. C. PhD. "Whole nations will be deceived by the medicines of Satan." Rev. 18:23

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Rodney: Judging from the rest of the newsletter, it would be a poor argument for many things, except for the statement that 9 out of 10 of us will dies of some disease — no duh.  That’s almost always the case since time began (before the "evil" drugs, surgeries, etc.) & probably always will be. The Biblical reference as cited by "Dr. C" doesn’t exist. Michele

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think it comes from this news letter which appears as an interpretation of an interpretation. http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/newsletters/april99.html "Whole nations will be deceived by the medicines of Satan." Rev. 18:23 Jan, please tell us where this quote is from.  Revelations?  Is it in your bible?  You are supporting it so I assume you’re sure that it comes from the bible.  So tell us where.  I can’t find it. I think he made it up, or is using a bible nobody else has. I assumed it was correct, but a search at the "Bible Gateway" and a net search on Google.com doesn’t show "medicines of Satan" as a phrase anywhere. Tsu Dho Nimh If we are what we eat, I’m fast, cheap and easy — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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The Greek word is "pharmakia."  Possible translations for pharmakia are sorcery, medicines, or poisons.  Since all medicines are poisons the use of the word medicine for sorcery from the Greek word pharmakia makes more sense in todays vernacular.

Can you show us where anyone else has come to this conclusion?  Who else interprets this biblical verse exactly as you have? erf

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all the best.

** **Can you give any examples??  Some alternative modalities are utilized **and incorporated in certain areas of medicine but how does the AMA **go about in buying them?? On E-Bay?? ** **frank ** **Well, Frank — lemme tell you how it is done.  Now that Acupuncture is comings into its own — so to speak — the MDs **want for themselves.. ** **So an MD name Helms writes a book about french energetics — a kind of acupuncture somewhat different then Traditional **Chinese Medicine –but close enough — and starts to "train" MD in a 200 hour program offered by his  American Academy **of Medical Acupuncture. Much of the training is with video tapes they borrow from the Academy library … not hands on. ** **Now the same guy dr.helms (md) sets up yet another entity called the American Board of Medical Acupuncture and this **"board"  gives out a National Board Certification in Acupuncture to the MDs that "complete" the "academy" training. ** **Helms maintains the this training meets the "World Health Organization" standard  – and it does for minor **Auriculotherapy  (ear) work for addictions like stop  smoking… He neglects to tell everyone the WH0 recommends a **minimum of 1500 hours of education for MDs to practice Acupuncture. And here in the USA the National Certification **Commission for Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (NCCAOM)  requires 1750 hours and a rigorous exam for the only legit **national credential in this area. ** **Here in Florida one currently needs 60 collage credits and 2735  hours ( the current four year program requirements) and **passing the above exam to get a license to practice. Read this as SIX YEARS ** **Starting to get the picture??  But lets make it a bit clearer… ** **Now, for the last 11 or 12 years we have used the title Acupuncture Physician (AP) — granted by Board of Acupuncture **Rule. But the Helms guys want to call themselves "Physicians Acupuncturist". ** **Now here comes the Florida Medical Association with over 16000 MD members — that for various reasons is a bit upset at **the APs  — so they file a lawsuit against our use of the AP title  and some other stuff….. they have just decided 12 **years down the line we should not have the right to use the title "Physician"  – in their own words "just because we do **not like it" ** **Now FSOMA –Florida State Oriental Medical Association with less then 500 members has to intervene to defend the title **AP and some of the other stuff and has spent more the $80,000 so far – this is really the Florida Health Department **responsibility — the defense — but they have been very slow in stepping up to the plate — but finally did to some **extent — Guess What — the head of the Florida Department of Health is a guy "Dr. Brooks" (MD)  – oh and he still has **a seat on the Florida Medical Association governing board — but it OK because he is a non voting member. ** ** **So it is quite simple, Frank — if we do not come up with the money to mount a vigorous defense the FMA will win — **they plan is just to continue to file suits till the FSOMA goes broke and thus "buy" the playing field of acupuncture **for the MDs.  Now this is a bit of an over simplification but it is more then I have time for — it reflects the facts **as I understand them in the shortest possible way. ** **It is not Ebay – but the highest bidder wins..  Any questions Frank??? ** ** **The FSOMA has a Legal Defense Fund –would you like to send them a check?? Let me know and I will post the information. ** **David Sontag **Acupuncture Physician // Doctor of Oriental Medicine  that is  DOM the next lawsuit I am told…

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Hopefully now with the Internet … these travesties can be exposed and avoided in the future

** ** **Yes, it is all a matter of ego, money and power. Notice the alternative **methods **that looked promising trying to be bought by the AMA? Either sell out to us **or **we will see to it that it never gets passed! All the while people are still **suffering. ** ** **Can you give any examples??  Some alternative modalities are utilized **and incorporated in certain areas of medicine but how does the AMA **go about in buying them?? On E-Bay?? ** **frank ** **Yes I can give you a couple that I just read, there are others. ** **This was before E-Bay. ** **Morris Fishbein of the AMA made Rife an offer which he refused. *Turn your **invention over to us in return for our recognition and a royalty, and if you **don’t we will make sure it never sees the light of day* ** **Another is Dr John Hoxsey a veterinarian has an herbal formula that was **effective in remising certain forms of officially diagnosed cancer. He says he **rejected an offer from Fishbein and the pharmaceutical industry to take over **and commercialize his herbal remedies on a large scale. Fishbein and his **associates therefore actually apparently investigated The Hoxsey remedies and **concluded they had clinical value. ** **The AMA met with Hoxsey and proposed that he turn over the formulas to the AMA **and an unnamed pharmaceutical company for which they would then pay him a **royalty that would begin in ten years. He was to have no say in the price of **mixtures to patients, nor in how they were to be further processed or prepared **in use in treating patients. Nor was he to have any imput in their clinical **application. As a final injustice there would be no provisions made to provide **the remedies to those who could not afford to pay. Hoxsey refused. ** **Fishbein and FDA officials waged a propaganda war against Hoxsey, his clinic in **Dallas and the licensed health professionals who staffed the clinic because **they saw the efficacy of this cancer treatment. ** **Neither the veterinarian Dr John Hoxsey or his son Harry ever pretended that **they were licensed physicians. Dr Hoxsey discovery this while treating his **horse. People were impressed and before long they requested his tonic which **reduced malignancies and some disappeared. Word spread from there and clinics **were opened in Dallas. ** **The clinics were closed in Dallas and forced to move to Tijuana Mexico. To this **day the clinic remain open and operated by his registered nurse with a staff of **physicians who continue to dispense the original formulas as well as other non **toxic procedures with impressive results for a number of types of cancer. ** ** **The same thing is going on today Frank. ** **The American people are the big losers. ** **Jan

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, it is all a matter of ego, money and power. Notice the alternative methods that looked promising trying to be bought by the AMA? Either sell out to us or we will see to it that it never gets passed! All the while people are still suffering. Can you give any examples??  Some alternative modalities are utilized and incorporated in certain areas of medicine but how does the AMA go about in buying them?? On E-Bay?? frank

Yes I can give you a couple that I just read, there are others. This was before E-Bay. Morris Fishbein of the AMA made Rife an offer which he refused. *Turn your invention over to us in return for our recognition and a royalty, and if you don’t we will make sure it never sees the light of day* Another is Dr John Hoxsey a veterinarian has an herbal formula that was effective in remising certain forms of officially diagnosed cancer. He says he rejected an offer from Fishbein and the pharmaceutical industry to take over and commercialize his herbal remedies on a large scale. Fishbein and his associates therefore actually apparently investigated The Hoxsey remedies and concluded they had clinical value. The AMA met with Hoxsey and proposed that he turn over the formulas to the AMA and an unnamed pharmaceutical company for which they would then pay him a royalty that would begin in ten years. He was to have no say in the price of mixtures to patients, nor in how they were to be further processed or prepared in use in treating patients. Nor was he to have any imput in their clinical application. As a final injustice there would be no provisions made to provide the remedies to those who could not afford to pay. Hoxsey refused. Fishbein and FDA officials waged a propaganda war against Hoxsey, his clinic in Dallas and the licensed health professionals who staffed the clinic because they saw the efficacy of this cancer treatment. Neither the veterinarian Dr John Hoxsey or his son Harry ever pretended that they were licensed physicians. Dr Hoxsey discovery this while treating his horse. People were impressed and before long they requested his tonic which reduced malignancies and some disappeared. Word spread from there and clinics were opened in Dallas. The clinics were closed in Dallas and forced to move to Tijuana Mexico. To this day the clinic remain open and operated by his registered nurse with a staff of physicians who continue to dispense the original formulas as well as other non toxic procedures with impressive results for a number of types of cancer. The same thing is going on today Frank. The American people are the big losers. Jan

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Yes, it is all a matter of ego, money and power. Notice the alternative methods that looked promising trying to be bought by the AMA? Either sell out to us or we will see to it that it never gets passed! All the while people are still suffering.

Can you give any examples??  Some alternative modalities are utilized and incorporated in certain areas of medicine but how does the AMA go about in buying them?? On E-Bay?? frank

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It seems the current fight is over chelation, which is saving people from having bypass surgery! You sure?  You seem sure.

Yes I am fairly sure. You see at the Florida Institute of Health I saw many people doing chelation. I talked with several as well as those in charge. There are other cases in Dr James Carter’s book, Racketeering in Medicine. You see I still believe in going straight to the horse’s mouth. Ask someone who was told they needed a bypass but chose chelation instead. Now we know what Dr C states that : He isn’t a doctor of any kind.  He has stated that germs don’t cause disease.  He claims that doctors and treatments  are the cuase of almost all serious illness.  Do you support these positions?  You defend him frequently.  So I guess that you do.

He is a Ph.D. Not that I care. I don’t know about the germ business. I do know how doctors recommend drugs rather than find the cause. I also know what taking drugs can do to the immune system. So yes I do agree with much of what he says. "Whole nations will be deceived by the medicines of Satan." Rev. 18:23 Jan, please tell us where this quote is from.  Revelations?  Is it in your bible?  You are supporting it so I assume you’re sure that it comes from the bible.  So tell us where.  I can’t find it.  But since you’re the devout Christian, you must be able to. erf

First of all I have never said I was a devout Christian. I try, but God ain’t done with me yet. Second. My bible does not say these exact words. However one needs to have a commentary to fully inderstand the bible. In mine it states: This is a terrible picture drawn by John to show how completely the powers of earth will give themselves over to evil, should show those who have received the truth how dangerous it is to link up with secret societies or to join themselves in any way with those who do not keep God’s commandmants. I am not saying that each individual doctor is a part of this, but I do say that organized medicine is evil based. It has become a big ego, power and money business. Rather than a real concern for the very best in health treatment. Jan

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have you read all the lies from Victor Herbert ? amazing … these guys have gotten away with the propaganda too long …

** **For those with alleged medical degrees … you seem very, very naive about **how the world of medicine works … I highly recommend you read **Racketeering In Medicine by Dr. James Carter … ** ** **Yep. Only not just for those with medical degrees. ** **I am almost through reading it. What an education! ** **Jan ** **Racketeering In Medicine **The Suppression of Alternatives **James P. Carter, M.D., Dr.P.H. ** ** Add Book Are Americans being deprived of economical and truly effective **medical treatments because orthodox medicine and and pharmaceutical **companies can’t profit from them? With hard-hitting analysis backed by **overwhelming evidence, Dr. Carter presents many disturbing cases of **legitimate therapies being disparaged as quackery, government agencies **harassing alternative practitioners, and drug companies peddling their **influence