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My 8 year old Wire fox terrier had surgery to remove 5 bladder stones on Aug. 27th. They where the calcium ones and he is now on Hills prescription Food U/D. The vet gave him Rimadyl for discomfort. After surgery he had a little incontinence for a few days but it started to clear up. About a week went by and I noticed the dog after peeing was continuing to attempt to pee for at least 2 to 3 minutes after. Standing there with nothing coming out, then switching legs and position a little and trying again, and again and again. Now has problems pooping A  few days later I started to find accidents in the house. Just little one. A few more days past and the dog could not make it to the door before he peed. The vet gave him a sulfa drug which he was allergic to and then changed it to Clavamox and some more Rimadyl on Sept 15. The dog got worse. Peeing in his sleep and now up to 10 to 15 minute standing in the yard trying. Now with bladder spasms. More X-rays and urinalysis showed nothing but some residual blood. Dog continues to get worse especially at night. Sept 24 take him in for more X-rays, a catheterize and found nothing. Vet changes antibiotic to Baytril. Sept 26 dog gets no better and maybe a little worse. Wife at end of her rope. Ready to fire vet. Makes vet do a barium enema and x-rays that show nothing. Vet give some Centrine for discomfort and suggests pathology of some cell in urine. Says possible ladder Cancer. Vet states everything looked normal when he operated but is not a pathologist. Does any of this sound familiar to anybody?  Does anybody have any advise? Steve

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were Bun and Creatine levels checked in the kidneys? Marjorie + Jack Flash (throughout eternity)    …two hearts, two hearts that beat as one….         …you know it’s true, everything I do, I do it for you…

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After my dog had her bladder surgery she had some of the symptoms you describe but not to that severity.  She did stand forever to pee and was having some accidents.  I can’t remember exactly but it cleared up and then she was okay for a while until she started to develop recurrent infections. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My 8 year old Wire fox terrier had surgery to remove 5 bladder stones on Aug. 27th. They where the calcium ones and he is now on Hills prescription Food U/D. The vet gave him Rimadyl for discomfort. After surgery he had a little incontinence for a few days but it started to clear up. About a week went by and I noticed the dog after peeing was continuing to attempt to pee for at least 2 to 3 minutes after. Standing there with nothing coming out, then switching legs and position a little and trying again, and again and again. Now has problems pooping A  few days later I started to find accidents in the house. Just little one. A few more days past and the dog could not make it to the door before he peed. The vet gave him a sulfa drug which he was allergic to and then changed it to Clavamox and some more Rimadyl on Sept 15. The dog got worse. Peeing in his sleep and now up to 10 to 15 minute standing in the yard trying. Now with bladder spasms. More X-rays and urinalysis showed nothing but some residual blood. Dog continues to get worse especially at night. Sept 24 take him in for more X-rays, a catheterize and found nothing. Vet changes antibiotic to Baytril. Sept 26 dog gets no better and maybe a little worse. Wife at end of her rope. Ready to fire vet. Makes vet do a barium enema and x-rays that show nothing. Vet give some Centrine for discomfort and suggests pathology of some cell in urine. Says possible ladder Cancer. Vet states everything looked normal when he operated but is not a pathologist. Does any of this sound familiar to anybody?  Does anybody have any advise? Steve

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This may be of no help, but our 9 yr. Tibetan Terrier hurt his tail recently and had similar problems urinating and defecating.  He at first had trouble going, then seemed to go all over the house here and there. This turned out to be a problem with the nerves to his tail and bladder and rectum, which he was now unable to use properly. The reason he kept going and going in little bits was that his bladder was totally full, and little bits leaked out here and there, since it couldn’t hold any more.  This condition can be serious, so ask your vet to see if his bladder is full.  Your vet should be able to "express" (empty) his bladder, so that it does not expand to the point of danger. If there is the slightest chance that his bladder stone surgery could have clipped or pinched a nerve, then you may want to be aware of our problem. Either way, be sure to have your vet tell you how to relieve your dog’s bladder. You may have to learn to "go in" and get the feces as well, until the problem is identified or clears up.  Also, try feeding your dog some pure pumpkin to help soften his stool, and you may try a mild laxative at your vet’s recommendation. Good Luck, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My 8 year old Wire fox terrier had surgery to remove 5 bladder stones on Aug. 27th. They where the calcium ones and he is now on Hills prescription Food U/D. The vet gave him Rimadyl for discomfort. After surgery he had a little incontinence for a few days but it started to clear up. About a week went by and I noticed the dog after peeing was continuing to attempt to pee for at least 2 to 3 minutes after. Standing there with nothing coming out, then switching legs and position a little and trying again, and again and again. Now has problems pooping A  few days later I started to find accidents in the house. Just little one. A few more days past and the dog could not make it to the door before he peed. The vet gave him a sulfa drug which he was allergic to and then changed it to Clavamox and some more Rimadyl on Sept 15. The dog got worse. Peeing in his sleep and now up to 10 to 15 minute standing in the yard trying. Now with bladder spasms. More X-rays and urinalysis showed nothing but some residual blood. Dog continues to get worse especially at night. Sept 24 take him in for more X-rays, a catheterize and found nothing. Vet changes antibiotic to Baytril. Sept 26 dog gets no better and maybe a little worse. Wife at end of her rope. Ready to fire vet. Makes vet do a barium enema and x-rays that show nothing. Vet give some Centrine for discomfort and suggests pathology of some cell in urine. Says possible ladder Cancer. Vet states everything looked normal when he operated but is not a pathologist. Does any of this sound familiar to anybody?  Does anybody have any advise? Steve

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This may be of no help, but our 9 yr. Tibetan Terrier hurt his tail recently and had similar problems urinating and defecating.  He at first had trouble going, then seemed to go all over the house here and there. This turned out to be a problem with the nerves to his tail and bladder and rectum, which he was now unable to use properly. The reason he kept going and going in little bits was that his bladder was totally full, and little bits leaked out here and there, since it couldn’t hold any more.  This condition can be serious, so ask your vet to see if his bladder is full.  Your vet should be able to "express" (empty) his bladder, so that it does not expand to the point of danger.

YOUR DOG IS DISPLAYING ADVERSE REACTIONS TO RIMADYL.  Please immediately clal Pfizer:  1-800-366-5288 and talk to a vet there about your dog. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If there is the slightest chance that his bladder stone surgery could have clipped or pinched a nerve, then you may want to be aware of our problem. Either way, be sure to have your vet tell you how to relieve your dog’s bladder. You may have to learn to "go in" and get the feces as well, until the problem is identified or clears up.  Also, try feeding your dog some pure pumpkin to help soften his stool, and you may try a mild laxative at your vet’s recommendation. Good Luck, My 8 year old Wire fox terrier had surgery to remove 5 bladder stones on Aug. 27th. They where the calcium ones and he is now on Hills prescription Food U/D. The vet gave him Rimadyl for discomfort. After surgery he had a little incontinence for a few days but it started to clear up. About a week went by and I noticed the dog after peeing was continuing to attempt to pee for at least 2 to 3 minutes after. Standing there with nothing coming out, then switching legs and position a little and trying again, and again and again. Now has problems pooping A  few days later I started to find accidents in the house. Just little one. A few more days past and the dog could not make it to the door before he peed. The vet gave him a sulfa drug which he was allergic to and then changed it to Clavamox and some more Rimadyl on Sept 15. The dog got worse. Peeing in his sleep and now up to 10 to 15 minute standing in the yard trying. Now with bladder spasms. More X-rays and urinalysis showed nothing but some residual blood. Dog continues to get worse especially at night. Sept 24 take him in for more X-rays, a catheterize and found nothing. Vet changes antibiotic to Baytril. Sept 26 dog gets no better and maybe a little worse. Wife at end of her rope. Ready to fire vet. Makes vet do a barium enema and x-rays that show nothing. Vet give some Centrine for discomfort and suggests pathology of some cell in urine. Says possible ladder Cancer. Vet states everything looked normal when he operated but is not a pathologist. Does any of this sound familiar to anybody?  Does anybody have any advise? Steve

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This may be of no help, but our 9 yr. Tibetan Terrier hurt his tail recently and had similar problems urinating and defecating.  He at first had trouble going, then seemed to go all over the house here and there. This turned out to be a problem with the nerves to his tail and bladder and rectum, which he was now unable to use properly. The reason he kept going and going in little bits was that his bladder was totally full, and little bits leaked out here and there, since it couldn’t hold any more.  This condition can be serious, so ask your vet to see if his bladder is full.  Your vet should be able to "express" (empty) his bladder, so that it does not expand to the point of danger. YOUR DOG IS DISPLAYING ADVERSE REACTIONS TO RIMADYL.  Please immediately clal Pfizer:  1-800-366-5288 and talk to a vet there about your dog.

   Argh, I can’t help myself.  Are you a DVM?  Do you have the medical files for this poster’s case?  Have you consulted with the vet who worked on this case?  The poster didn’t even say that her dog was ON Rimadyl.  I think advice like this is incredibly dangerous on a public forum and I desperately hope no one takes this person’s post seriously. Erik "Rouleaux" Hofmeister WSU Class ‘00 PLEASE NOTE: In the absence of a traditional veterinarian-client-patient relationship, this information should be taken as a friendly opinion, not as an official clinical recommendation.  Also realize that I am a veterinary student, and anything stated should be taken with that in mind.

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  Argh, I can’t help myself.  Are you a DVM?  Do you have the medical files for this poster’s case?  Have you consulted with the vet who worked on this case?  The poster didn’t even say that her dog was ON Rimadyl.  I think advice like this is incredibly dangerous on a public forum and I desperately hope no one takes this person’s post seriously.

Hi Eric,    While I agree no one should be giving veterinarian advice on the net, without seeing the dog in person, I did think that perhaps you missed this part of the post. I *do* think it is worth mentioning and making a call to the Pfizer vets. I have heard of too many cases of bad reactions from this. This was from the post before the one this person mentioned, and I think the warning was for this dog. But I could be wrong here….just thought I’d toss this out. MaryBeth – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My 8 year old Wire fox terrier had surgery to remove 5 bladder stones on Aug. 27th. They where the calcium ones and he is now on Hills prescription Food U/D. The vet gave him Rimadyl for discomfort. The vet gave him a sulfa drug which he was allergic to and then changed it to Clavamox and some more Rimadyl on Sept 15.

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: Hi Eric, :    While I agree no one should be giving veterinarian advice on the net, : without seeing the dog in person, I did think that perhaps you missed this : part of the post. : I *do* think it is worth mentioning and making a call to the Pfizer vets. I : have heard of too many cases of bad reactions from this. This was from the : post before the one this person mentioned, and I think the warning was for : this dog. But I could be wrong here….just thought I’d toss this out. : MaryBeth I’m afraid I have to agree with "where do you get off calling this a reaction to Rimadyl" post.  These clinical signs are consistent with a neurological problem, not a drug reaction.  Yes, Rimadyl can cause problems. So can aspirin, penicillin, even oxygen.  Rimadyl is one the most prescibed drugs in small animal medicine now and there are MANY animals being helped immensely by it.  Don’t let a few fanatical people (who are rightly upset about losing their animal, but going quite overboard otherwise) convince people to withhold treatment when it is indicated. Scott Weese, DVM ps. Before someone asks, I have nothing to gain over the use of Rimadyl.   I work large animal referral medicine and do not work on small animals any more.

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