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writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : locate a doctor who treats viruses and treat the cause homeopathically.   : you need a conventional doctor  who will work with you, they can be : found.  we cured our daughter of diabetes this way. will help. : diane andres I am VERY interested in the name of a single *conventional* doctor that treats the cause (virus) of juvenile diabetes homeopathically that has NOT had his license revoked. Aloha, Rich

Why would a doctor have the license revoked? There are many MD’s that are homeopaths. What is your problem?

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   I am VERY interested in the name of a single *conventional*    doctor that treats the cause (virus) of juvenile diabetes    homeopathically that has NOT had his license revoked. Homeopathic MDs treat persons with juvenile diabetes all the time and I haven’t heard of one getting their license revoked for this reason yet. Treating a patient with juvenile diabetes requires that the blood sugar level be monitored and the insulin dose adjusted accordingly. Sometimes the requirement for insulin goes down. It is certainly very rare for a patient to go off insulin completely, as another poster to this newsgroup mentioned. You seem to have the idea that a homeopathic doctor yanks their patient off of all allopathic medicines when the patient sees them and is incompetent or refuses to make a conventional medical diagnosis. Nothing could be further from the truth. Homeopathic doctors will leave a patient on allopathic medicines where necessary for the health of the patient, though it is true that the use of these medicines usually makes cure more difficult. And homeopathic doctors do make conventional diagnoses, both because they are required by law under some circumstances and in order to determine if homeopathic treatment is appropriate. A conventional diagnosis helps very little in establishing the proper homeopathic medicine, so after doing the conventional diagnosis, the doctor must take the case homeopathically. You seem to have a poor grasp of how homeopathic practitioners operate. I suggest reading an introductory book on the subject, such as Dana Ullman’s new book, "A Consumer’s Guide to Homeopathy" as it discusses how homeopaths treat patients with many diseases. — http://ra.stsci.edu/bps/top.html    Before and after science

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In support of Homeopathy, for example, I have never wanted to use sleeping pills since I thought it was just pumping drugs into by body.  Now I use 1 pill of a Homeopathic product called CALMPLEX by Rexall.  My children, 4 and 6 also take them – being non-toxic, I can sleep at night knowing my children can never O.D. on them! I know some groups are concerned, however, it shouldn’t be too surprising to know that one of the most popular distributor groups are doctors and physicians, many who have their spouse as the distributor while distributing to their patients. Rx On-line http://maui.net/~qmartyn/rexallshowcase.html

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writes: Yes Paul, I realize that you think that homeopathy is *direct* and *precise* compared with placebo. Chemical analysis reveals no difference between placebo and homeopathic preparations. This precise and direct aspect must be quite mystical preventing those who are interested in objective evidence to measure this precision. Must be nice to just have to *say* it and have it be so. Aloha, Rich

So, In all of your erudition, please enlighten us as to what chemical analysis reveals no difference…..

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Boy, the AMA is really running scared…why would you folks spend so much on-line time arguing against alternatives that WORK, if they were worthless? I just gave my 20 month old the wrong remedy for a fever and nothing happened.  I waited five minutes and gave her the right one and bingo, the fever she had had ALL DAY went down dramatically and instantly. Placebo?  I hardly think so. Go analyze yourselves into an early grave — homeopathy WORKS.

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: Boy, the AMA is really running scared…why would you folks spend so much : on-line time arguing against alternatives that WORK, if they were : worthless? : I just gave my 20 month old the wrong remedy for a fever and nothing : happened.  I waited five minutes and gave her the right one and bingo, the : fever she had had ALL DAY went down dramatically and instantly. : Placebo?  I hardly think so. : Go analyze yourselves into an early grave — homeopathy WORKS. * * Of COURSE IT WORKS! So does Oral Roberts, voodoo, Wicca, Santaria and Christian Science. Sometimes they don’t work when your life depends on it. * *

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    How does using insulin make a *cure* more difficult Bernie.     You seem so caught up with the idea that *allpathic     medicines* are bad for you that you use dichotomous     thinking. Do you believe that *any* allopathic medicines     can be useful for *curing*. Or do you define allopathy     as being anticurative.

   Dear Richard,   I am approaching your discussion with bernie about this topic mostly because i posted the original one and i would like to say that i think it is quite funny how you guys have gotten so tangential. Maybe you should be carrying out your discussion under a new topic: Perhaps: "Allopathy-Homeopathy" Or something like that. I wonder why so many people need to impose their views, at the time it is not personally seen as imposing, but when my original intention was to find out if anyone knew anything holistic to help my little cousin with JD and people start refuting homeopathy and other more esoteric medicine, i get a little flustered. I appreciate your arguments. But i must say that i have heard yours from far too many left-brained scientist types. Bernie is speaking beautifully. He hasn’t stepped on allopathy’s toes at all. It is true that allopathic drugs do mask the deeper message of illness by alleviating symptoms. These symptoms are beautiful messengers from ourselves to teach us of ways we are neglecting ourselves, emotionally and spritually and of course physically. Allopathy and homeopathy are also very different in another way. Allopathy, G-d bless it and i shall never take away one ounce of credit towards it, deals mainly on a surface level of disease. Someone is sick and they are suffering, so most of the time, allopathy alleviates this suffering. There is nothing wrong with this. And for the most part, this is all people want and have enrgy for. homeopathy goes much deeper to deal with the source of the disease. Why is this man sick? Is a good question for Homeopathy. Allopathy doesn’t ask this. It says, "This man is ill. Let’s make him feel better." It gives a pill to do this. There is no involvement with the patient to self-examine and let go of old trauma and negative beliefs. For this matter, I do not believe that Allopathy can possibly offer a "Cure" for any disease. All it has done when if all symptoms dissapear is it has  provided temporary relief. Then the original cause of the disease, for example, early abuse or abandonment, goes deeper and causes another disease, usually more grave. .  I think it important that people realize that this  whole concept of *antidoting* of homeopathic  remedies is simply a theory to explain why homeopathy  sometimes does not work.

 Richard, i can’t help feeling the jabs coming from you. You seem to be dying to find homeopathy’s weakness and to squash it. Why is this so often the case between the allopathy-holistic medicine argument. The problem is that you are arguing from your side of the fence. Many of homeopathy’s (will be used to represent all of alternative medicine for the meantime) methods of working are not "prove-able" YET by science. So naturally, the MD’s brush it all off as placebo or snake-oil. It is getting to the point where alopathy will have to get off the high-horse of their established paradigm to consider what the healers are saying. And not to consider in their model, but the other, more Einsteinian, more Mind before Matter model. Then they can bring it back on the other side of the fence and examine it scientifically. Which, a little bit limiting and unfortunately, is exactly what allopathy is, up to date science. The original question was this:My little cousin has Juvenile Diabetes. She still has some Beta cells left. I am looking for alternative/holistic ideas to help her. Suggestions would be highly appreciated. (Macrobiotics???) I never said i wanted to get her off allopathic help. That would be folly. Stupid. I want help that might lead to a cure. I believe no diseases are incurable. But allopathy does. Don’t i have the right to seek a cure if one isn’t provided by the doctors, or even proposed as possible. You don’t have to convince me that you don’t think it’s possible. I know you don’t. I respect that. but i won’t be limited by allopathy’s paradigm. IT is changing, my friend. Danny B. dMb

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   Your use of the word *antidote* suggests a specific    mechanism of action behind how so called allopathic    medicines adversely affect homeopathic treatments.    I think it important that people realize that this    whole concept of *antidoting* of homeopathic    remedies is simply a theory to explain why homeopathy    sometimes does not work.     And it is always great to    have a scapegoat. Allopathy is the favorite scapegoat    for homeopathy which is why allopathic treatments    are *blamed* for the failures of homeopathy. Unfortunately    homeopaths won’t take responsibility for the failures    of their therapies and instead blame *mint*, *camphor*,    *allopathic medications* whenever they have a treatment    failure. When homeopathic medicines do not cure are when a cure in progress suddenly fail, the homeopathic doctor looks to identify the reason why. Most often it is because of a faulty prescription, but sometimes it is because the patient has taken a substance that experience has shown antidotes homeopathic medicines. This isn’t about finding excuses when homeopathic medicines don’t cure. This is about identifying the factors that maximize the probability of cure.     I don’t deny that allopathic medicines can    be helpful and sometimes even necessary, but their use does make the    job of the homeopath harder.    A fascinating comment indeed. You really are for the    underdog aren’t you Bernie. No matter that the remedy    may be *helpful* or even *necessary* but these *helpful*    and sometimes *necessary* treatments make the job    of the homeopath harder. Yes Bernie they sure do.    But the patient gets better. Which is more important to    you? The health of the patient or making homeopaths    job easier. If the allopathic medicine had cured the patient, the patient wouldn’t be seeing a homeopath. Most often, the patient is taking allopathic medicine which relieves some of the symptoms of the illness, but does not cure. Since homeopathy diagnoses on the basis of symptoms, taking allopathic medicines which mask the symptoms makes the treatment harder.       And homeopathic doctors       do make conventional diagnoses, both because they are required by law           Please give me the *law* that is violated by not giving       a conventional diagnosis. You kind of like to just       make up things as you go along to support your case.       Please give me the statute number. Is is a federal law       or a state law?        Maryland state law requires doctors to report all cases of cancer and    sexually transmitted disease. I believe most, if not all, states have    similar laws.    Now you are discussing laws requiring doctors to report    specific illnesses to the Board Of Health. That is quite    different from a law which requires a doctor to make    a diagnosis for treatment. There are NO such laws that I    am aware of. If the doctor is required to report all cases of cancer, the doctor must make an allopathic diagnosis of the patient in order to determine whether the patient has cancer, so he or she can fufill the legal requirement. What part of this don’t you understand? — http://ra.stsci.edu/bps/top.html   CDBS rewrite: Be afraid. Be very afraid.

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: Insulin will not interfere with homeopathic medicines, but other : allopathic medicines can. There are two ways. First, some allopathic : medicines antidote homeopathic medicines. They nulify –the homeopathic effect–, which is a REACTION by the body. They do not antidote anything. Obviously, there is nothing there in many cases TO antidote, and no chemical basis of ‘antidoting’ involved, even when material doses are used. I know you know this, Bernie, but such casual speech leads to the eternally tiresome materialist argument against homeopathic efficacy, which, far from proving anything about homeopathy, simply turns to placebo theory for its ignorant scorn. What allopaths and drug technology doctors don’t understand, seemingly won’t understand, is that ‘placebo’ is simply the surface of a much greater potential for self-cure than is suspected. Homeopathy taps that potential precisely and directly, even if it does so with non-material means (just as ‘expectation,’ ‘trust,’ ‘care and concern,’ and all the other ’stimulators’ of placebo effect are non-material means, and equally mysterious [if rather random]). —

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     Homeopathic    doctors will leave a patient on allopathic medicines where necessary    for the health of the patient, though it is true that the use of these    medicines usually makes cure more difficult.    How does using insulin make a *cure* more difficult Bernie.    You seem so caught up with the idea that *allpathic    medicines* are bad for you that you use dichotomous    thinking. Do you believe that *any* allopathic medicines    can be useful for *curing*. Or do you define allopathy    as being anticurative. Insulin will not interfere with homeopathic medicines, but other allopathic medicines can. There are two ways. First, some allopathic medicines antidote homeopathic medicines. Corticosteroids and narcotics are two examples of these. Second, allopathic medicines can mask the symptoms of the disease or produce their own symptoms, making diagnosis more difficult. I don’t deny that allopathic medicines can be helpful and sometimes even necessary, but their use does make the job of the homeopath harder.    And homeopathic doctors    do make conventional diagnoses, both because they are required by law    Please give me the *law* that is violated by not giving    a conventional diagnosis. You kind of like to just    make up things as you go along to support your case.    Please give me the statute number. Is is a federal law    or a state law? Maryland state law requires doctors to report all cases of cancer and sexually transmitted disease. I believe most, if not all, states have similar laws. — http://ra.stsci.edu/bps/top.html    Before and after science

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My little cousin has Juvenile Diabetes. She still has some Beta cells left. I am looking for alternative/holistic ideas to help her. Suggestions would be highly appreciated. (Macrobiotics???) As an adjunct to conventional treatment or as an alternative?  If the latter, it’s a great way to kill her. jon —– Jonathan Wayne

Medical authorities in Israel have found that the Yemenite population that immigrated to Israel had no diabetes or hypoglycemia and found that it was because they were eating alot of an herb called Fenugreek. Please see: http://www.vitawise.com/fenudiab.htm for more information.

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we have a daughter that was cured of juvenile diabetes using a holistic approach.  if you would like help , please contact us at

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i knowthat you are goingto find this hard to believe, but our daughter, at age twelve had uncontrollable juvenile diabetes and was cured of diabetes within three months after starting treatment with a homeopathic MD.  if you are seriously interested in helping your little niece, lease

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locate a doctor who treats viruses and treat the cause homeopathically.   you need a conventional doctor  who will work with you, they can be found.  we cured our daughter of diabetes this way. will help. diane andres

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our daughter was cured of juvenile diabetes using the alternative approach.  i would be willing to help anyone serious about curing this – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My little cousin has Juvenile Diabetes. She still has some Beta cells left. I am looking for alternative/holistic ideas to help her. Suggestions would be highly appreciated. (Macrobiotics???) As an adjunct to conventional treatment or as an alternative?  If the latter, it’s a great way to kill her. jon —– Jonathan Wayne Medical authorities in Israel have found that the Yemenite population that immigrated to Israel had no diabetes or hypoglycemia and found that it was because they were eating alot of an herb called Fenugreek. Please see: http://www.vitawise.com/fenudiab.htm for more information.

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My little cousin has Juvenile Diabetes. She still has some Beta cells left. I am looking for alternative/holistic ideas to help her. Suggestions would be highly appreciated. (Macrobiotics???) My name is Danny dMb

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My little cousin has Juvenile Diabetes. She still has some Beta cells left. I am looking for alternative/holistic ideas to help her. Suggestions would be highly appreciated. (Macrobiotics???)

As an adjunct to conventional treatment or as an alternative?  If the latter, it’s a great way to kill her. jon —– Jonathan Wayne

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