Desperate and losing hope.

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Sorry John I am not sure of your reasons for asking these questions but I don’t wish to answer them Robert Robert, I apologize for the so direct questions and for the intrusion but I guarantee you that I do have no interests to give you a consultation about your prayers other than the need

your "need" is unimportant to the posters here. to understand what is really going wrong with this prayers business. Now, if I can be of any help to Cathy or to any of you perhaps you should

how dare you tell Robert what he/they "should" do? cooperate a little more. I just happen to be in this NG by chance

So you don’t have cancer. and I am keeping myself subscribed to it for some time.

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May I ask you the following? What religion is Cathy; Does Cathy have anything against anybody, specially her parents; Is she an obbedient woman; when she prays, does she pray with full faith that she will be healed. I would like to analyze this for my own purpose, and to help you if possible. You can reply to my e-mail address. No you don’t need to change your doctor.

John, These questions are inappropriate and offensive. Jerry "If you haven’t all the things you want, be grateful for the things you don’t have that you wouldn’t want." – Anonymous

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Robert, Don’t worry about top posting because what you had previously posted is NOT "mish-mashed in between other’s replies" no matter what "J" says. There are some newsgroups where most of the posts (replies) are top posted and others where the people use bottom posting. I guess it all depends on what makes you comfortable. And, it seems as though everyone else was able to find and understand your postings (except for this last one where I had trouble finding your post. Also, I wish both of you the very best. You are both in my prayers. Bob Please note……Just in case anyone doesn’t like my choice of top posting I am putting it way down below too (bottom posting). Could we please ask you to bottom-post? It’s very difficult to reply when the initial post is all mish-mashed in between others’ replies. J Thanks again J I may well come back for support I do keep reading the site and have for sometime. It helps a great deal knowing people are there and care. Sorry about the top postings not got a great deal of experience with N/Groups. Robert Hi Robert, Don’t worry about top posting because what you had previously posted is NOT "mish-mashed in between other’s replies" no matter what "J" says. There are some newsgroups where most of the posts (replies) are top posted and others where some people use bottom posting. I guess it all depends on what makes you comfortable. And, it seems as though everyone else was able to fins and understand your postings (except for this past one where I had trouble finding your post. Also, I wish both of you the very best. You are both in my prayers. Bob P.S. BTW, it was not my intentions to be critical of anyone’s choice of bottom posting (as opposed to top posting). I was merely giving my opinion……for what it’s worth. With your genuine effort to get information in your original posting I don’t believe that you needed someone to be bringing up the manner in which you replied.

Bob, You are probably using a threaded newsreader, so you had no trouble. Not everyone uses threaded newsreaders. Some newbies are not aware of the problems top posting creates for the reader, and it is appropriate for someone to bring it to their attention. J did nothing wrong by mentioning it to Robert. No person should feel offended for being advised of Usenet rules. It is standard Usenet etiquette to avoid top posting. Maybe this will explain it to you: "Please use good netiquette, trim quoted material (long messages) or unnecessary cross posting in your replies, and avoid top posting and SHOUTING. Don’t assume that your message will be read at the same time as the post you are replying to, and don’t assume that all readers will be using a threaded newsreader. By quoting the relevant parts of the message you are replying to, it provides a context for your reply. Your message will make more sense to readers if you reply below quoted text. This is true if the reader has not seen the post to which you are replying, or reads it out-of-order." Jerry "If you haven’t all the things you want, be grateful for the things you don’t have that you wouldn’t want." – Anonymous

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Sorry John I am not sure of your reasons for asking these questions but I don’t wish to answer them Robert

Robert, I applaud your reply. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Robert, I apologize for the so direct questions and for the intrusion but I guarantee you that I do have no interests to give you a consultation about your prayers other than the need to understand what is really going wrong with this prayers business. Now, if I can be of any help to Cathy or to any of you perhaps you should cooperate a little more. I just happen to be in this NG by chance and I am keeping myself subscribed to it for some time. Now, consider that I may know things that you don’t know and that may be of crucial importance for your prayers or for improvements in Cathy’s morale so that she can really fight this cancer better. Just consider the chance and act upon it if you wish. I can only tell you that I don’t understand why people are willing to change a doctor and are not willing to examine their priest or their faith. The first commandment is "search your Lord with all your might". If you don’t search, who will? The wisdom of Christ can be found in a homeless on the corner of your street but if we think that this wisdom is only found in the yeast of the Pharisee…then it was a pleasure to close the contact with you. That’s all I want to say. John.

John, What a load of nonsense. This is not cancer support. Jerry "If you haven’t all the things you want, be grateful for the things you don’t have that you wouldn’t want." – Anonymous

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Hello All, My darling partner Cathy has lymphoma (high grade). We had so much faith and hope. First the CHOP failed, then the radiation and now the stem cell transplant. The lymphoma is back after only six months and has been found in her stomach, lung and bone marrow. Cathy has had such strength throughout now is broken and lost. We have tried searching for clinical trials but nothing here in UK. The oncologist has given her oral Etoposide for seven days every month and will talk to us again this week to explain more as he didn’t want to overload us all in one go. We have great faith and confidence in this man but need to ask if anyone has any other ideas or better treatment in these circumstances. Thank you for your help and prayers. Robert

Robert, You and Cathy are in my prayers. Hang in there with her. We’re here for you, so please keep us posted. Best regards, Trish

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Hi Robert, Don’t worry about top posting because what you had previously posted is NOT "mish-mashed in between other’s replies" no matter what "J" says. There are some newsgroups where most of the posts (replies) are top posted and others where the people use bottom posting. I guess it all depends on what makes you comfortable. And, it seems as though everyone else was able to find and understand your postings (except for this last one where I had trouble finding your post. Also, I wish both of you the very best. You are both in my prayers. Bob Please note……Just in case anyone doesn’t like my choice of top posting I am putting it way down below too (bottom posting).

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Could we please ask you to bottom-post? It’s very difficult to reply when the initial post is all mish-mashed in between others’ replies. J Thanks again J I may well come back for support I do keep reading the site and have for sometime. It helps a great deal knowing people are there and care. Sorry about the top postings not got a great deal of experience with N/Groups. Robert

Hi Robert, Don’t worry about top posting because what you had previously posted is NOT "mish-mashed in between other’s replies" no matter what "J" says. There are some newsgroups where most of the posts (replies) are top posted and others where some people use bottom posting. I guess it all depends on what makes you comfortable. And, it seems as though everyone else was able to fins and understand your postings (except for this past one where I had trouble finding your post. Also, I wish both of you the very best. You are both in my prayers. Bob P.S. BTW, it was not my intentions to be critical of anyone’s choice of bottom posting (as opposed to top posting). I was merely giving my opinion……for what it’s worth. With your genuine effort to get information in your original posting I don’t believe that you needed someone to be bringing up the manner in which you replied.

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Sorry John I am not sure of your reasons for asking these questions but I don’t wish to answer them Robert

Robert, I apologize for the so direct questions and for the intrusion but I guarantee you that I do have no interests to give you a consultation about your prayers other than the need to understand what is really going wrong with this prayers business. Now, if I can be of any help to Cathy or to any of you perhaps you should cooperate a little more. I just happen to be in this NG by chance and I am keeping myself subscribed to it for some time. Now, consider that I may know things that you don’t know and that may be of crucial importance for your prayers or for improvements in Cathy’s morale so that she can really fight this cancer better. Just consider the chance and act upon it if you wish. I can only tell you that I don’t understand why people are willing to change a doctor and are not willing to examine their priest or their faith. The first commandment is "search your Lord with all your might". If you don’t search, who will? The wisdom of Christ can be found in a homeless on the corner of your street but if we think that this wisdom is only found in the yeast of the Pharisee…then it was a pleasure to close the contact with you. That’s all I want to say. John.

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Thank you Steph it is what I thought but had to ask. Robert

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All, My darling partner Cathy has lymphoma (high grade). We had so much faith and hope. First the CHOP failed, then the radiation and now the stem cell transplant. The lymphoma is back after only six months and has been found in her stomach, lung and bone marrow. Cathy has had such strengththroughout now is broken and lost. We have tried searching for clinical trials but nothing here in UK. The oncologist has given her oral Etoposide forseven days every month and will talk to us again this week to explain more ashe didn’t want to overload us all in one go. We have great faith and confidence in this man but need to ask if anyone has any other ideas or better treatment in these circumstances. Thank you for your help and prayers. Robert Robert, the honest truth is that nothing available inside or outside a clinical trial is going to cure this disease. Oral etoposide is as likely as anything else to get a response, and is very free from side-effects. Thank you Steph it is what I thought but had to ask. Robert Hi Robert, I’m very sorry. We’ll be here for you if you wish ongoing support. Could we please ask you to bottom-post? It’s very difficult to reply when the initial post is all mish-mashed in between others’ replies. You said Cathy is at home. If you wish pointers to sources of hospice (home care), let us know. We’ll do our best to help you during these difficult times. ( ( ( Robert and Cathy ) ) ) J Thanks again J I may well come back for support I do keep reading the site

and have for sometime. It helps a great deal knowing people are there and care. Sorry about the top postings not got a great deal of experience with N/Groups. Robert

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John have you suffered because of cancer at some time? Just wondering about your crusade. Best wishes Anth

Please don’t encourage him, Anth. <http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_uauthors… J

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All, My darling partner Cathy has lymphoma (high grade). We had so much faith and hope. First the CHOP failed, then the radiation and now the stem cell transplant. The lymphoma is back after only six months and has been found in her stomach, lung and bone marrow. Cathy has had such strengththroughout now is broken and lost. We have tried searching for clinical trials but nothing here in UK. The oncologist has given her oral Etoposide forseven days every month and will talk to us again this week to explain more ashe didn’t want to overload us all in one go. We have great faith and confidence in this man but need to ask if anyone has any other ideas or better treatment in these circumstances. Thank you for your help and prayers. Robert Robert, the honest truth is that nothing available inside or outside a clinical trial is going to cure this disease. Oral etoposide is as likely as anything else to get a response, and is very free from side-effects. Thank you Steph it is what I thought but had to ask. Robert

Hi Robert, I’m very sorry. We’ll be here for you if you wish ongoing support. Could we please ask you to bottom-post? It’s very difficult to reply when the initial post is all mish-mashed in between others’ replies. You said Cathy is at home. If you wish pointers to sources of hospice (home care), let us know. We’ll do our best to help you during these difficult times. ( ( ( Robert and Cathy ) ) ) J

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Good for yoiu, Robert ! <http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_uauthors… To all/any readers, not all questions posed here (by just anyone) need be answered. However, there are some (questions) that are necessary if we are to understand what type, grading/staging of cancer you (or your loved one) has. And perhaps a few other details. J – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry John I am not sure of your reasons for asking these questions but I don’t wish to answer them Robert May I ask you the following? What religion is Cathy; Does Cathy have anything against anybody, specially her parents; Is she an obbedient woman; when she prays, does she pray with full faith that she will be healed. I would like to analyze this for my own purpose, and to help you if possible. You can reply to my e-mail address. No you don’t need to change your doctor.

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John have you suffered because of cancer at some time? Just wondering about your crusade. Best wishes Anth

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Robert, the honest truth is that nothing available inside or outside a clinical trial is going to cure this disease. Oral etoposide is as likely as anything else to get a response, and is very free from side-effects.

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Sorry John I am not sure of your reasons for asking these questions but I don’t wish to answer them Robert

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My darling partner Cathy has lymphoma (high grade). We had so much faith and hope. First the CHOP failed, then the radiation and now the stem cell transplant. The lymphoma is back after only six months and has been found in her stomach, lung and bone marrow. Cathy has had such strength throughout now is broken and lost. We have tried searching for clinical trials but nothing here in UK. The oncologist has given her oral Etoposide for seven days every month and will talk to us again this week to explain more as he didn’t want to overload us all in one go. We have great faith and confidence in this man but need to ask if anyone has any other ideas or better treatment in these circumstances. Thank you for your help and prayers. Robert Hi Robert, I forgot to mention in the other post that in clinical trials, some get the regular treatment (randomized) and some get the new treatment. And some specify "previously untreated". I’m very sorryn if I sent you on a "wild goose chase". I noticed that Steph didn’t reply to your posts (and I’m sure he reads them all). I assume he’s up (to date) on most treatments (as probably is your oncologist), but let’s see if he has anything to add. Is she still in hospital? Is that helping her quality of life? It is good to hold our hope, but you must also be prepared if/when you hear bad news from the oncologist. My thoughts are with you and Cathy J May I ask you the following? What religion is Cathy; Does Cathy have anything against anybody, specially her parents; Is she an obbedient woman; when she prays, does she pray with full faith that she will be healed. I would like to analyze this for my own purpose, and to help you if possible. You can reply to my e-mail address. No you don’t need to change your doctor.

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Thanks J You didn’t send me on a ‘wild goose chase’ I value your help very much. Thanks again Robert

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Sorry J forgot to mention I brought Cathy home Saturday afternoon. That’s why the oncologist prescribed the oral Etoposide 100mg rather than the I/V in hospital. Robert

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My darling partner Cathy has lymphoma (high grade). We had so much faith and hope. First the CHOP failed, then the radiation and now the stem cell transplant. The lymphoma is back after only six months and has been found in her stomach, lung and bone marrow. Cathy has had such strength throughout now is broken and lost. We have tried searching for clinical trials but nothing here in UK. The oncologist has given her oral Etoposide for seven days every month and will talk to us again this week to explain more as he didn’t want to overload us all in one go. We have great faith and confidence in this man but need to ask if anyone has any other ideas or better treatment in these circumstances. Thank you for your help and prayers. Robert

Hi Robert, I forgot to mention in the other post that in clinical trials, some get the regular treatment (randomized) and some get the new treatment. And some specify "previously untreated". I’m very sorryn if I sent you on a "wild goose chase". I noticed that Steph didn’t reply to your posts (and I’m sure he reads them all). I assume he’s up (to date) on most treatments (as probably is your oncologist), but let’s see if he has anything to add. Is she still in hospital? Is that helping her quality of life? It is good to hold our hope, but you must also be prepared if/when you hear bad news from the oncologist. My thoughts are with you and Cathy J

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