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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, Tim. Maybe you can point them in the right direction re: your accusations that the quackbuster operations are being plotted in a NY ad agency funded by pharmaceutical companies. That might be a really fun expose, better than just a Wisconsin thing. That would be *much* bigger than a couple of out of control prosecutors in Wisconsin. Indeed. It’d be real interesting to see if Tim try to get a national network to investigate his accusations. I have no idea what Bolen looks like, but I always picture him as twitching a lot, foaming at the mouth, and screaming every so often. Does anyone else get the same impression? I don’t think he’d make good TV. He’s not a bad looking guy actually…unless that finger is hiding something terrible. LOL http://www.geocities.com/healthbase/TimBolenfinger.jpg http://www.geocities.com/healthbase/hulda_clark_tb.html

I can’t really agree with you there; unless the pictures you can get to from those links (especially the latter one) are bad pics, he’s no looker. And he could have wiped the foam away. Still pictures don’t tell us about the twitching or screaming, either. — David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, Tim. Maybe you can point them in the right direction re: your accusations that the quackbuster operations are being plotted in a NY ad agency funded by pharmaceutical companies. That might be a really fun expose, better than just a Wisconsin thing. That would be *much* bigger than a couple of out of control prosecutors in Wisconsin. Indeed. It’d be real interesting to see if Tim try to get a national network to investigate his accusations. I have no idea what Bolen looks like, but I always picture him as twitching a lot, foaming at the mouth, and screaming every so often. Does anyone else get the same impression? I don’t think he’d make good TV.

His picture has been here, you must have missed it. BTW, he is much better looking than Barrett or Polevoy. Jan

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You sound surprised that Bolen is distorting the truth. Why would you be surprised?

Did Baratz distort the truth? You bet he did and has in the past. Absurdly saying there in no mercury in amalgams. Jan

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I didn’t see that. Where did you see that? Another doctor, named Watters, has been investigated, but there’s a 1997 complaint against him.

I meant from patients. The complaint was from the *state*. ""Financial loss, fear, worry, my staff never knows if I’ll still be in business — this is very serious," said Dr. Robert Waters (pictured, right), who runs a Wisconsin Dells Clinic. He’s had no patient complaints, ever. Still he says he’s spent $20,000 on lawyers, and another $8,000 for high-risk malpractice insurance. Why? Because the state’s had an open investigation against him for six years. " BL "As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram of the rock within the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then there’s a reflected wave back." Ralph Abraham "I’d like to learn to windsurf." BL

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I remember you getting called a ‘quack’ in the cancer support newsgroup for posting your site to me when my mother was sick. What’s the link again? Anth

I’m sorry, Anth, I don’t have a website. You must have me confused with another Nana. My condolences on the loss of your mother. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please demonstrate where Barrett has selectively quoted. I didn’t mean with regard to this case. I really haven’t followed that. But on the diabetes group recently I posted how he selectively quoted research on reflexology. This came up when someone posted. That is just an example of what he does on his website. http://www.google.com/groups?q=quackwatch+group:misc.health.diabetes&… &lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&selm=20031102155116.10551.00000129%40mb-m10.aol.co m&rnum=3 or http://tinyurl.com/vl0a Hope that works. The guy has an agenda, and his webpage is NOT an unbiased look at various alternative medicine modalities.

Not only that he is arrogant. Stating no alternative practitioner can be trusted. He even goes against some alternative methods that have been acepted by conventional. That’s because he can’t admit he was wrong. His lackeys here are just like him. Jan Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time. John Bain

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – CBS Nukes Wisconsin Quackbuster Assault… Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen Hi Tim. I asked you in the other thread about providing the exact citation of where I can read the cross exam of Dr. Baratz which shows that he is not board certified. Can you please take a moment to provide the exact citation? Thanks. Perhaps Tim will let me read it when I drop in to his mailbox office in January. I imagine I will have to stand in the street to read it because there probably isn’t room in the mailbox for Tim, me and the transcript together.

Way to go Peter!! You sound just like him!! Congrads!! Aren’t you proud. Jan

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Ok, Tim. Maybe you can point them in the right direction re: your accusations that the quackbuster operations are being plotted in a NY ad agency funded by pharmaceutical companies. That might be a really fun expose, better than just a Wisconsin thing. That would be *much* bigger than a couple of out of control prosecutors in Wisconsin.

Indeed. It’d be real interesting to see if Tim try to get a national network to investigate his accusations. — Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent." | |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you | inconvenience me with questions?"

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I intentionally forgot to mention, in my articles about the War in Wisconsin, that CBS television was filming our every move in Madison, Umm, I did get the website for the first report– http://www.channel3000.com/news/2643873/detail.html Tim, I would call this a local CBS affiliate. Just in the interests of keeping the facts straight!! And to think all of us were expecting it on 60 Minutes!!

Well, well, well. It looks like ol’ Timmy has been caught in a bit of exaggeration. It looks like the reports are being done by the local CBS affiliate in Madison, WI. Not exactly your national or big-market report, I’m afraid. It’s not likely to have any repercussions outside the CBS channel 3 viewing area in central Wisconsin, I’m afraid. Find that NY ad agency and maybe it will be.

You don’t honestly expect Tim to back up his claims, do you? [Snip] — Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent." | |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you | inconvenience me with questions?"

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I have no idea what Bolen looks like, but I always picture him as twitching a lot, foaming at the mouth, and screaming every so often. Does anyone else get the same impression? I don’t think he’d make good TV. — David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Yep. The second part was supposed to air today (Tuesday) but is not yet on the web site as I write this. Tim, I would call this a local CBS affiliate. Just in the interests of keeping the facts straight!! And to think all of us were expecting it on 60 Minutes!! Find that NY ad agency and maybe it will be. What I did note is that doctors WHO HAVE HAD NO COMPLAINTS LODGED AGAINST THEM have been targeted.

I didn’t see that. Where did you see that? Another doctor, named Watters, has been investigated, but there’s a 1997 complaint against him. However, Tim, like Barrett, is engaging in selective quoting of the report, so read it yourself.

Definitely. It certainly didn’t seem to exonerate Kadile to me. You sound surprised that Bolen is distorting the truth. Why would you be surprised? — David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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He’s not a bad looking guy actually…unless that finger is hiding something terrible. LOL http://www.geocities.com/healthbase/TimBolenfinger.jpg http://www.geocities.com/healthbase/hulda_clark_tb.html

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I intentionally forgot to mention, in my articles about the War in Wisconsin, that CBS television was filming our every move in Madison, Umm, I did get the website for the first report– http://www.channel3000.com/news/2643873/detail.html Tim, I would call this a local CBS affiliate. Just in the interests of keeping the facts straight!! And to think all of us were expecting it on 60 Minutes!! Find that NY ad agency and maybe it will be. What I did note is that doctors WHO HAVE HAD NO COMPLAINTS LODGED AGAINST THEM have been targeted. However, Tim, like Barrett, is engaging in selective quoting of the report, so read it yourself.

Please demonstrate where Barrett has selectively quoted. His website contains the entire Kadile complaint in it original format.

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CBS Nukes Wisconsin Quackbuster Assault… Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

Hi Tim. I asked you in the other thread about providing the exact citation of where I can read the cross exam of Dr. Baratz which shows that he is not board certified. Can you please take a moment to provide the exact citation? Thanks.

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Can you please take a moment to provide the exact citation? Thanks.

Mark, that is probably part of the cross that was not put on the website. If you are that interested, why don’t you call the groups? BL "As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram of the rock within the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then there’s a reflected wave back." Ralph Abraham "I’d like to learn to windsurf." BL

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Please demonstrate where Barrett has selectively quoted.

I didn’t mean with regard to this case. I really haven’t followed that. But on the diabetes group recently I posted how he selectively quoted research on reflexology. This came up when someone posted. That is just an example of what he does on his website. http://www.google.com/groups?q=quackwatch+group:misc.health.diabetes&… &lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&selm=20031102155116.10551.00000129%40mb-m10.aol.co m&rnum=3 or http://tinyurl.com/vl0a Hope that works. The guy has an agenda, and his webpage is NOT an unbiased look at various alternative medicine modalities. BL "As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram of the rock within the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then there’s a reflected wave back." Ralph Abraham "I’d like to learn to windsurf." BL

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Perhaps Tim will let me read it when I drop in to his mailbox office in January. I imagine I will have to stand in the street to read it because there probably isn’t room in the mailbox for Tim, me and the transcript together. — Peter Bowditch The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

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Can you please take a moment to provide the exact citation? Thanks. Mark, that is probably part of the cross that was not put on the website. If you are that interested, why don’t you call the groups?

Please allow Mr. Bolen to provide the answer. It goes to his credibility.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I intentionally forgot to mention, in my articles about the War in Wisconsin, that CBS television was filming our every move in Madison, Umm, I did get the website for the first report– http://www.channel3000.com/news/2643873/detail.html Tim, I would call this a local CBS affiliate. Just in the interests of keeping the facts straight!! And to think all of us were expecting it on 60 Minutes!! Find that NY ad agency and maybe it will be. What I did note is that doctors WHO HAVE HAD NO COMPLAINTS LODGED AGAINST THEM have been targeted. However, Tim, like Barrett, is engaging in selective quoting of the report, so read it yourself. BL "As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram of the rock within the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then there’s a reflected wave back." Ralph Abraham "I’d like to learn to windsurf." BL

The National Council Against Health Fraud’s Mission statement says it focuses attention on health fraud, misinformation and quackery as public health problems. That clearly is a lie. They don’t mention Dr Wilson who clearly committed fraud, kept secrets from this loving and caring, volunteering teanager and his family and is still on staff. I think it’s pretty inappropriate that a prosecutor for the state should become a member of a political group that has as their very mission the exposure and destruction of complimentary and alternative medicine," Waters said. Yep far more than inappropriate. More like became a member, after he was paid. That’s how *organized medicine* works. They should be known as the organized medicine mafia. Jan

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CBS Nukes Wisconsin Quackbuster Assault… Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen November 18th, 2003 Who says the national media isn’t interested in the attack on Alternative Medicine? If it was YOU, don’t say it any more, because it just happened in Madison, Wisconsin. And, it wasn’t that hard to accomplish. I intentionally forgot to mention, in my articles about the War in Wisconsin, that CBS television was filming our every move in Madison, Wisconsin’s capitol. I also neglected to mention that CBS was traveling around the State, interviewing top AltMed leaders on camera. Of course, I kept it to myself that CBS was carefully directed to take a HARD look at the Quackbuster operation nationwide, including the dubious National Council Against Health Fraud (NCAHF), the questionable website www.quackwatch.com, and their relationship with two card-carrying quackbuster members employed as Wisconsin Department of Regulation & Licensing (DRL) prosecutors, Arthur Thexton, and James Polewski. Why did I keep this quiet? When we’ve been working on this for months? I like to surprise the quackbusters. It’s good for their psyche.

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