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Vet Tech Journals: Bittersweet ending???

admin — Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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Another dog that was put down that I really like was Pablo. Pablo was a yellow Lab that had an amazing mouth/toy fetish. No matter what, EVERY TIME he came into the clinic, he had something in his mouth. He wasn’t comfortable going anywhere unless he had something in his mouth, whether it was a toy or a towel. Pablo developed a splenic tumor so his spleen had to be removed. I remember being there on that day. Pablo came in holding in his mouth a teddy bear with a Lakers basketball jersey. Awwwwww!!! After the surgery the toy was out of his mouth obviously, and he was whining as he was waking up. Irememebr that I thought it was kinda funny, because I pictured him saying, "My spleen……they took my spleen……" Anyways, he recovered just fine from the surgery, but was undergoing chemo to eradicate any remaining cancer. everytime he was in for chemo he had a toy or a towel in his mouth. I remember he was also in for a bath. When I came to take him up to his owner, he was lying down in the run with the towel in front of him. As soon as he saw me, he immediately picked up the towel and wagged his tail. Even when he had his chemo, he had a toy in his mouth. He was a big dog and it normally took two people just to hold him down while he received his chemo. He would sometimes drop his toy, but as soon as he was done, he would pick it up again and be wagging his tail. Well about a month ago, we found out that the cancer had spread. I don’t know the details, but I do know that I came into work one day to find his name on the RB board. he had a very bubbly personality along with that silly mouth fetish that made him unforgettable. I shall miss him. Or will I? I found out later that Pablo’s owners had taken a bunch of tissue samples. Why? Because they were going to have Pablo cloned. scientific discussion on why this is a bad idea, but I’m not going to waste the energy. It is NOT the same dog. The only thing that will be the same will be the genetic material as far as I’m concerned. The gossip that I heard was that the owners are spending $50K to clone Pablo. Why don’t they take the $50K and give it to a shelter or to cancer research?? I’m sad and yet I’m puzzled. I shall miss Pablo greatly, but yet I’m puzzled that the owners would spend that much to just clone their pet. Our experiences, surroundings and the people around us shape the person we are, so I don’t see how this cloning Pablo will be the same. Of course I’ve never seen a cloned animal before. WHo knows. maybe one day a lab puppy with a mouth fetish will come into the clinic…… Kristi

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On 2005-07-16, Mischief penned: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I found out later that Pablo’s owners had taken a bunch of tissue samples. Why? Because they were going to have Pablo cloned. scientific discussion on why this is a bad idea, but I’m not going to waste the energy. It is NOT the same dog. The only thing that will be the same will be the genetic material as far as I’m concerned. The gossip that I heard was that the owners are spending $50K to clone Pablo. Why don’t they take the $50K and give it to a shelter or to cancer research?? I’m sad and yet I’m puzzled. I shall miss Pablo greatly, but yet I’m puzzled that the owners would spend that much to just clone their pet. Our experiences, surroundings and the people around us shape the person we are, so I don’t see how this cloning Pablo will be the same.

Maybe it’s similar to the desire to have kids. Obviously the kids won’t be exactly like you, but they will have some of your family’s traits and some of the other parent’s. It *will* be like having Pablo’s sibling, assuming all goes well. I can’t understand cloning a pet either, but I think it’s dangerous to criticize others’ spending. For example, around here, giving to a shelter is considered good, but in other groups/cultures/areas it might be considered silly to give to animals when so many people are in need. Or you could criticize me for having a nice car. Or I could criticize someone else for spending lots on expensive cosmetics … everyone has their own priorities and interests, and what others spend their money on seems foolish … If Pablo’s owners weren’t in the position to spend that much money on cloning, they might not have been in the position to spend so much on surgeries and chemo treatments trying to keep him alive … None of which is to criticize you, but me, I try not to worry too much about what others spend their money on; I know others have plenty of room to do the same to me. — monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – scientific discussion on why this is a bad idea, but I’m not going to waste the energy. It is NOT the same dog. The only thing that will be the same will be the genetic material as far as I’m concerned. The gossip that I heard was that the owners are spending $50K to clone Pablo. Why don’t they take the $50K and give it to a shelter or to cancer research?? I’m sad and yet I’m puzzled. I shall miss Pablo greatly, but yet I’m puzzled that the owners would spend that much to just clone their pet. Our experiences, surroundings and the people around us shape the person we are, so I don’t see how this cloning Pablo will be the same. Maybe it’s similar to the desire to have kids. Obviously the kids won’t be exactly like you, but they will have some of your family’s traits and some of the other parent’s. It *will* be like having Pablo’s sibling, assuming all goes well. I can’t understand cloning a pet either, but I think it’s dangerous to criticize others’ spending. For example, around here, giving to a shelter is considered good, but in other groups/cultures/areas it might be considered silly to give to animals when so many people are in need. Or you could criticize me for having a nice car. Or I could criticize someone else for spending lots on expensive cosmetics … everyone has their own priorities and interests, and what others spend their money on seems foolish … If Pablo’s owners weren’t in the position to spend that much money on cloning, they might not have been in the position to spend so much on surgeries and chemo treatments trying to keep him alive … None of which is to criticize you, but me, I try not to worry too much about what others spend their money on; I know others have plenty of room to do the same to me. — monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca

I could see getting really attached to a dog like Pablo. Although I agree, it’s hard for me to wrap my mind around that 50K price tag to clone him. A dog’s time on earth is finite, and even when we can’t replicate a beloved animal, we can find another dog we love in different ways. I guess they must have plenty more money where it came from, lucky souls. Although I have to agree with Monique, those who earn the money have a right to spend it as they see fit, even if I think their priorities are way out of whack. God knows, I can be plenty extravagant myself. But I always feel nettled when somebody else tells me "Oh you can’t afford that.." even if they believe they’re acting in my best interests. Nevertheless, I’m sorry to hear that Pablo and Jodi have both crossed the Rainbow Bridge. If you didn’t have love and appreciation for the animals you tend, Kristi, I’d say you were in the wrong profession. =o) Melissa

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – scientific discussion on why this is a bad idea, but I’m not going to waste the energy. It is NOT the same dog. The only thing that will be the same will be the genetic material as far as I’m concerned. The gossip that I heard was that the owners are spending $50K to clone Pablo. Why don’t they take the $50K and give it to a shelter or to cancer research?? I’m sad and yet I’m puzzled. I shall miss Pablo greatly, but yet I’m puzzled that the owners would spend that much to just clone their pet. Our experiences, surroundings and the people around us shape the person we are, so I don’t see how this cloning Pablo will be the same. Maybe it’s similar to the desire to have kids. Obviously the kids won’t be exactly like you, but they will have some of your family’s traits and some of the other parent’s. It *will* be like having Pablo’s sibling, assuming all goes well. I can’t understand cloning a pet either, but I think it’s dangerous to criticize others’ spending. For example, around here, giving to a shelter is considered good, but in other groups/cultures/areas it might be considered silly to give to animals when so many people are in need. Or you could criticize me for having a nice car. Or I could criticize someone else for spending lots on expensive cosmetics … everyone has their own priorities and interests, and what others spend their money on seems foolish … If Pablo’s owners weren’t in the position to spend that much money on cloning, they might not have been in the position to spend so much on surgeries and chemo treatments trying to keep him alive … None of which is to criticize you, but me, I try not to worry too much about what others spend their money on; I know others have plenty of room to do the same to me. — monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca I could see getting really attached to a dog like Pablo. Although I agree, it’s hard for me to wrap my mind around that 50K price tag to clone him. A dog’s time on earth is finite, and even when we can’t replicate a beloved animal, we can find another dog we love in different ways. I guess they must have plenty more money where it came from, lucky souls. Although I have to agree with Monique, those who earn the money have a right to spend it as they see fit, even if I think their priorities are way out of whack. God knows, I can be plenty extravagant myself. But I always feel nettled when somebody else tells me "Oh you can’t afford that.." even if they believe they’re acting in my best interests.

The thing that bugged me is when people told me ‘Oh you CAN afford that’. How would they know what I can and cannot afford? I may have different prirorities and choose to send my $$ differently. Winnie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nevertheless, I’m sorry to hear that Pablo and Jodi have both crossed the Rainbow Bridge. If you didn’t have love and appreciation for the animals you tend, Kristi, I’d say you were in the wrong profession. =o) Melissa

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the same will be the genetic material as far as I’m concerned. The gossip that I heard was that the owners are spending $50K to clone Pablo. Why don’t they take the $50K and give it to a shelter or to cancer research??

I’m sorry about the day you had at work. And I have to agree with you about the cloning. About 10 years ago I lost the best kitty in the world. He meant everything to me and had a genetic condition which took him from us quickly. I saved some of his whiskers and thought that maybe one day, he could be cloned. Then I read a few months ago that someone did indeed clone their lost cat… for $25,000. Can you imagine how many homeless kitties could be spayed/neutered and sheltered for that kind of money? Or how many dogs could be saved with the money spent on Pablo? I miss my cat but the ones who are alive right now are the ones we should be caring for. Stacia

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New York Post on Myth of Hetero AIDS – 2004

admin — Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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At San Francisco General Hospital epidemiologist Dr Andrew Moss admits that there are few hard facts on heterosexual AIDS. DR. ANDREW MOSS: "We don’t know how fast it’s spreading heterosexually and we won’t know how fast it’s spreading and what’s likely to happen without some more knowledge about those areas." How do you feel about the general predictions concerning the spread of AIDS? DR. ANDREW MOSS: "I think most official predictions about the spread of AIDS have been consistently wrong in this country, and in Britain and in the world, and I think that there’s two reasons for that. One is a lot of very bad science was done, and the other is that political pressures to have high numbers. All administrative numbers are political. And that usually inflates from the opposite direction, and I think it’s been hard for people to back away from their high numbers." Inflated predictions involving the transmission of HIV and AIDS through women have had to be revised. Prostitutes were quickly focused on but a UK survey involving 250 prostitute women over 5 years at St. Mary’s Hospital in London showed only three to be HIV positive. Two were intravenous drug users and one the partner of an i/v drug user. The three are said to be in good health.

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EPIDEMIOLOGICAL EVIDENCE AGAINST HETEROSEXUAL TRANSMISSION OF HIV AND AGAINST PREVENTION-CAMPAIGNS By Christian Fiala (extract) Prostitutes are at special risk when it comes to STDs. Consequently one would expect a high prevalence of HIV-positive results in this population. Interestingly a study among prostitutes in Europe found an HIV-prevalence of 5,3%. But most of the positive results came from prostitutes admitting i.v. drug consumption (prevalence of 32% compared to 1,5% among the non-drug consuming prostitutes). This is confirmed by the routine screening among the 800 prostitutes in Vienna (1,5 Mio Inhabitants.) Since 1985 a total of three of them was found to be HIV-positive. Again this is incompatible with a STD spreading among the heterosexual population nor can any effect of the prevention campaigns be demonstrated. Kunz, Virusepidemiologische Information, 1987-97, Wien European Working Group on HIV Infection in Female Prostitutes; HIV infection in European female sex workers: epidemiological link with use of petroleum-based lubricants, AIDS, 1993; Mar; 7(3): 4.1-8

"thoroughly researched, poignantly written, and a must-read"

admin — Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Typing too fast again. I meant to say: – It has passed into history as proved 100% correct. You well know that Mr. Carter. You have read the stats.Same hetero percentage as ten years ago.

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It has gone into books proved 100% correct as you well know. Now for that apology Carter. NEW YORK POST CONFIRMS THE BOOK WAS 100% CORRECT IN 2004 (So much for Carter): – STRAIGHT AIDS MYTH SHATTERED New York Post March 19, 2004 — THE public health experts – and their amen corner in the media – owe Helen Gurley Brown an apology. The legendary Cosmopolitan editor was vilified in 1993 when she published a piece called "The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS." But she was right. Eleven years later, Details is asking: "Whatever Happened to AIDS and Straight Men?" The article states, "A disease-free man who has unprotected sex with a drug-free woman stands a one in 5 million chance of contracting HIV." The story by Kevin Gray also cites a joke that made the rounds of the New York City Department of Health as statistics came in showing that the predicted spread of AIDS to heterosexuals wasn’t happening: "What do you call a man who got HIV from his girlfriend? . . . A liar." "I feel somewhat vindicated," Brown told PAGE SIX. Michael Fumento, who wrote the original 1990 book titled "The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS," said, "I’m not waiting for an apology. It’s not going to happen." When Basic Books published Fumento’s tome, "Distributors refused to handle it," he says. "Stores refused to carry it. And at many stores that did have it, clerks left it in the basement." Celia Farber, who wrote an AIDS column in Spin magazine, was routinely attacked because she refused to rehash the propaganda put out by AmFAR and other groups. "Everybody who was wrong got journalism awards. Everybody who was right got all but driven from the profession," Farber said. Farber exposed the conspiracy between profit-hungry drug companies, researchers who wanted more funding, homosexuals who didn’t want the disease to be known as "the gay plague," and conservatives who wanted to turn back the sexual revolution. "They believed in what they were doing, not what they were saying," Fumento said. "They knew it was lies. They felt the end justified the means." At a recent editorial meeting at Seed, the new science magazine, Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter Laurie Garrett supposedly threatened to quit when a colleague suggested a story about Peter Duesberg, a leading retrovirologist. Duesberg lost his funding, his laboratory, and his students when he announced in 1987 that HIV doesn’t cause AIDS. "He lost everything," said one insider. Duesberg switched to cancer research, and is now touted to win a Nobel Prize.

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The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS Nine years ago, January 1990,

LOL. Well, it’s turned out that book has gone into the trashbin of history. The AIDS pandemic is largely driven by heterosexual activity. That’s reality, not fumento’s deranged ditherings.

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The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS Nine years ago, January 1990, my book The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS came out. The Advocate said it "will undoubtedly become the most important nonfiction book on AIDS since Shilts

Iron / infection

admin — Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Nature. 2004 Nov 7 [Epub ahead of print] Links Lipocalin 2 mediates an innate immune response to bacterial infection by sequestrating iron. Flo TH, Smith KD, Sato S, Rodriguez DJ, Holmes MA, Strong RK, Akira S, Aderem A. [1] Institute for Systems Biology, Seattle, Washington 98103, USA [2] Institute for Cancer Research and Molecular Medicine, Norwegian University of Science and Technology, 7489 Trondheim, Norway [3] These authors contributed equally to this work. Although iron is required to sustain life, its free concentration and metabolism have to be tightly regulated. This is achieved through a variety of iron-binding proteins including transferrin and ferritin. During infection, bacteria acquire much of their iron from the host by synthesizing siderophores that scavenge iron and transport it into the pathogen. We recently demonstrated that enterochelin, a bacterial catecholate siderophore, binds to the host protein lipocalin 2 (ref. 5). Here, we show that this event is pivotal in the innate immune response to bacterial infection. Upon encountering invading bacteria the Toll-like receptors on immune cells stimulate the transcription, translation and secretion of lipocalin 2; secreted lipocalin 2 then limits bacterial growth by sequestrating the iron-laden siderophore. Our finding represents a new component of the innate immune system and the acute phase response to infection. PMID: 15531878 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher] ————————————————————————– —— Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

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OT: From We the People of Texas

admin — Mon, 06 Sep 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Chrys and sometimes Brian wrote: > Here is our solution: > * > 1. Let John Kerry become President of the United States (all 49 > states) > * > 2. George W Bush becomes the President of the republic of Texas. So > what does Texas have to do to service as a Republic?

Great! > A. NASA is just south of Houston (we will control the space industry)

We control the budget > B. We refine over 85% of the gasoline in the United States.

And you’ll be refining it for whom? > 3. Defense Industry (we have over 65% of it) The term "Don’t mess with > Texas," will take on a whole new meaning.

We have the budget. > 4. Oil – we can supply all the oil that the Republic of Texas will need > for the next 300 years. Yankee states? Sorry about that!

Trade might be a problem. > 5. Natural Gas – again we have all we need and it’s too bad about those > northern states. John Kerry will figure a way to keep them > warm…….

I’m sure he will … or someone else will. Besides, with Kerry, we can work agreements with nearly anyone else in the world. Do you really think Saudi Arabia would be Bush’s friend if he weren’t so close to the US power structure? Let’s see. > 6. Computer Industry – we currently lead the nation in producing > computer chips and communications: Small places like Texas > Instruments, Dell Computer, EDS, Raytheon, National Semiconductor, > Motorola, Intel, AMD Atmel, Applied Materials Ball Semiconductor, Dallas > Semiconductor, Delphi, Nortel, ALcatel, etc, etc. The list goes on > and on.

How long do you think that’ll continue if the US and its trading partners choose to buy such things from China? And how much do you think it would take to move those companies out of Texas if it were more economically advantageous. > 7. Health Centers – we have the largest research centers for Cancer > research, the best burn centers and the top trauma units in the world > and other large health planning centers.

Duke, Harvard, the Mayo Clinic, UW Hospitals, UCLA and a whole host of others will miss your input. How long do you think that you can hold that kind of talent? > 8. We have enough colleges to keep us going; UT, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, > Rice, SMU, University of Houston, Baylor, UNT, Texas Women’s University > etc. Ivy grows better in the south anyway.

You don’t even have as many colleges and universities as the state of Wisconsin! And let’s not forget that Texas’s school system is in the bottom half of the nation’s schools. Wisconsin’s is near the top … and Massachusetts is AT the top. > 9. We have a ready supply of workers (just open the border when we need > some more)

That will work well for the US work force. We’ll have the jobs we need. Thanks! > 10. We have control of the paper industry, plastics, insurance, etc.

Paper? In Green Bay, I’m within a couple hour’s drive of Kimberly Clark, International Paper, Georgia Pacific, Cascade Tissues, Fox River Paper, Green Bay Packaging, Little Rapids Corporation, Riverside Paper, Riverside-Mosinee Paper, Proctor and Gamble, Weyerhaeuser Company … and those are just the major ones. The Paper Valley — that’s in Wisconsin. Wisconsin is also home to major installations for Humana, American Family, American Medical and a host of others. State Farm is just outside Chicago … Who ya kidding? > 11. In case of a foreign invasion we have the Texas National Guard > and the Texas Air National Guard. We don’t have an army but since > everybody down here has at least six guns and a pile of ammo, we can > raise an army in 24 hours if we need it. It the situation really gets > bad, we can always call Department of Safety and ask them to end over a > couple of Texas Rangers.

Yeah, but some of your TANG folks don’t bother to show up. That’s not a plus. Besides, ask Bill Clinton or Ariel Sharon how difficult it is to take out a military installation. > 12. We are totally self sufficient in beef, poultry, hogs and several > types of grain, fruit and vegetables and lets not forget seafood from > the gulf. And everybody down here knows how to cook them so that they > taste good. Don’t need any food.

Terrific. > This just names a few of the items that will keep the Republic of Texas > in good shape. There isn’t a thing out there that we need and > don’t have. > * > Now to the rest of the United States under President Kerry: > * > Since you won’t have the refineries to get gas for your cars, only Kerry > will be able to drive around in his 9 mile per gallon SUV.

You think Texas is the only place with refineries? And you think that Texas wouldn’t sell it to us? > The rest of the United States will have to walk or ride bikes. You > won’t have any TV as the space center in Houston will cut off your > communications. You won’t have any natural gas to heat your homes but > since Mr. Kerry has predicted global warming, you will not need the gas.

Nice try, but WE have the US military. Recall Iraq? Don’t mess with U.S. KKT

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Lynne wrote: > Please don’t generalize about people from Texas. > There are a lot of people in Texas who don’t like Bush. > – Lynne

It’s a little cold, but you’re welcome here in Wisconsin. I met some great people in Texas [including a terrific woman from Houston] … you’d be a great addition to the upper 49 [hell, to keep it at 50, we could give DC statehood!] Kathie

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hantayo wrote: > Bless you Lynne.:-) Texas also has the evil Tom Delay – what > a miserable excuse for a life form. You guys also have Nancy > Griffith – I just love her. > Kathy K.

And Willie Nelson. And Jerry Jeff Walker. And Steve Earle. And the Dixie Chicks. And Charlie Robison. If you guys actually secede, can we get custody? KKT

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I just wanted to set the record straight. :-) And I live 12 miles from Crawford. I love Nanci Griffith, too, Kathy. She has been on my A list for the past 20 years. As for Tom DeLay, … scum. He and my husband were in the same club (frat) before he (TD) got kicked out of Baylor. My husband couldn’t stand him then and feels even stronger about him now. The stories he tells, … – Lynne "hantayo" wrote in message

news:chja19$ft4$1@news.netins.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Bless you Lynne.:-) Texas also has the evil Tom Delay – what a miserable > excuse for a life form. You guys also have Nancy Griffith – I just love her. > Kathy K. > "Lynne" wrote: > > Please don’t generalize about people from Texas. > > There are a lot of people in Texas who don’t like Bush. > > – Lynne > > "Chrys and sometimes Brian" wrote in message > > news:160-413CECC7-274@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net… > > Well I’m not from Texas,but I thought this was funny! > > Chrys, STILL in the So. CA. desert, but with God’s help, maybe only 3-4 > > more weeks….Yip, yip, yaaaahoooo! > > —————————————————— > > Please note that Texas is the only state with a legal right to secede > > from the Union (please refer to the Texas-American Annexation treaty of > > 1848). > > * > > We Texans love y’all, but we’ll have to take action if Kerry wins the > > presidency over GW. We’ll miss you too. Texas has given all those > > complainers plenty of time to get used to the results. > > * > > After seeing the whiners along the campaign route, the folks from Texas > > are considering taking matters into our own hands. > > * > > Here is our solution: > > * > > 1. Let John Kerry become President of the United States (all 49 > > states) > > * > > 2. George W Bush becomes the President of the republic of Texas. So > > what does Texas have to do to service as a Republic? > > * > > A. NASA is just south of Houston (we will control the space industry) > > & > > B. We refine over 85% of the gasoline in the United States. > > * > > 3. Defense Industry (we have over 65% of it) The term "Don’t mess with > > Texas," will take on a whole new meaning. > > * > > 4. Oil – we can supply all the oil that the Republic of Texas will need > > for the next 300 years. Yankee states? Sorry about that! > > * > > 5. Natural Gas – again we have all we need and it’s too bad about those > > northern states. John Kerry will figure a way to keep them > > warm……. > > * > > 6. Computer Industry – we currently lead the nation in producing > > computer chips and communications: Small places like Texas > > Instruments, Dell Computer, EDS, Raytheon, National Semiconductor, > > Motorola, Intel, AMD Atmel, Applied Materials Ball Semiconductor, Dallas > > Semiconductor, Delphi, Nortel, ALcatel, etc, etc. The list goes on > > and on. > > * > > 7. Health Centers – we have the largest research centers for Cancer > > research, the best burn centers and the top trauma units in the world > > and other large health planning centers. > > * > > 8. We have enough colleges to keep us going; UT, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, > > Rice, SMU, University of Houston, Baylor, UNT, Texas Women’s University > > etc. Ivy grows better in the south anyway. > > * > > 9. We have a ready supply of workers (just open the border when we need > > some more) > > * > > 10. We have control of the paper industry, plastics, insurance, etc. > > * > > 11. In case of a foreign invasion we have the Texas National Guard > > and the Texas Air National Guard. We don’t have an army but since > > everybody down here has at least six guns and a pile of ammo, we can > > raise an army in 24 hours if we need it. It the situation really gets > > bad, we can always call Department of Safety and ask them to end over a > > couple of Texas Rangers. > > * > > 12. We are totally self sufficient in beef, poultry, hogs and several > > types of grain, fruit and vegetables and lets not forget seafood from > > the gulf. And everybody down here knows how to cook them so that they > > taste good. Don’t need any food. > > * > > This just names a few of the items that will keep the Republic of Texas > > in good shape. There isn’t a thing out there that we need and > > don’t have. > > * > > Now to the rest of the United States under President Kerry: > > * > > Since you won’t have the refineries to get gas for your cars, only Kerry > > will be able to drive around in his 9 mile per gallon SUV. > > * > > The rest of the United States will have to walk or ride bikes. You > > won’t have any TV as the space center in Houston will cut off your > > communications. You won’t have any natural gas to heat your homes but > > since Mr. Kerry has predicted global warming, you will not need the gas. > > Signed, > > The People in Texas

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Lynne wrote: > Not on your life!! :-) > – Lynne

I figured … Kathie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "KKT" wrote in message > news:413d3d99$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net… >>hantayo wrote: >>>Bless you Lynne.:-) Texas also has the evil Tom Delay – what >>>a miserable excuse for a life form. You guys also have Nancy >>>Griffith – I just love her. >>> Kathy K. >>And Willie Nelson. And Jerry Jeff Walker. And Steve Earle. And the >>Dixie Chicks. And Charlie Robison. If you guys actually secede, can >>we get custody? >>KKT

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LOL! Well, it CAN be an interesting place. ;-) As for my governor, well, I didn’t vote for him for that, either. It’s no lie that he’s doing for the country what he did for Texas. The one we have now is just about as bad. As for the snow, last winter was the first time we have had snow that stuck to the ground since 1986, and we used to have a good 6" snowfall every 6 or 7 years. (I live in Central Texas, ‘right near Crawford.) You must have just picked a good year to come. It was waitin’ for ya! If you come back, I’m not on the way to Galveston, (I’m on I-35 instead of I-45,) but give me a holler anyway. I’d love to meet you. We can taunt some of my less progressive acquaintances. I know a good beer joint, … – Lynne "KKT" wrote in message

news:413e0f71$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lynne wrote: > > Thanks for the invite, Kathy. I’ll pass it on to Roger. > > We lived in Boston for 3 years in the late 70s. It was > > wonderful, although as poor students w/2 children we couldn’t > > afford to do much of anything that cost money. > > And yet, as much as I hate to admit it, it just wasn’t "home". > > I do miss the snow sometimes, and I have a friend who > > lives in Milwaukee who assures me you have exciting winters. ;-) > What with global warming, they’re not nearly so bad as they were 30 > years ago … I’m sure we’ll soon be a warm winter vacation > destination … > > If you ever wonder if all of those stereotypes are true, come on > > down. I’ll show you some, … and more. > I’ve been to Texas several times. The second or third time I was > there, some yahoo yelled for me to "get your f***ing foreign car off > the road." That was the time when all small cars were thought to be > foreign, but surely he might have noticed the Ford logo … :-) > EVERY time I was there, I went to Galveston, which I love. I’ve been > to their historic landmarks a number of times … love the Bishop’s > Palace [I think that's what it's called]. There’s also a seafood > place on sea wall that’s the best. > Most of the rest of TX I just drove through on the way to Houston. > The first time I was there — in January — it snowed. Went from 75F > to 14F in 3 days. First time is had snowed in several years and the > first time it stayed on the ground in 14 years. Damned decent of it > to wait for me. ;-( > I like your state … just not your governor [although I liked him a > lot more when he WAS your governor]. > Kathie

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Not on your life!! :-) – Lynne "KKT" wrote in message

news:413d3d99$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> hantayo wrote: > > Bless you Lynne.:-) Texas also has the evil Tom Delay – what > > a miserable excuse for a life form. You guys also have Nancy > > Griffith – I just love her. > > Kathy K. > And Willie Nelson. And Jerry Jeff Walker. And Steve Earle. And the > Dixie Chicks. And Charlie Robison. If you guys actually secede, can > we get custody? > KKT

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Lynne wrote: > Thanks for the invite, Kathy. I’ll pass it on to Roger. > We lived in Boston for 3 years in the late 70s. It was > wonderful, although as poor students w/2 children we couldn’t > afford to do much of anything that cost money. > And yet, as much as I hate to admit it, it just wasn’t "home". > I do miss the snow sometimes, and I have a friend who > lives in Milwaukee who assures me you have exciting winters. ;-)

What with global warming, they’re not nearly so bad as they were 30 years ago … I’m sure we’ll soon be a warm winter vacation destination … > If you ever wonder if all of those stereotypes are true, come on > down. I’ll show you some, … and more.

I’ve been to Texas several times. The second or third time I was there, some yahoo yelled for me to "get your f***ing foreign car off the road." That was the time when all small cars were thought to be foreign, but surely he might have noticed the Ford logo … :-) EVERY time I was there, I went to Galveston, which I love. I’ve been to their historic landmarks a number of times … love the Bishop’s Palace [I think that's what it's called]. There’s also a seafood place on sea wall that’s the best. Most of the rest of TX I just drove through on the way to Houston. The first time I was there — in January — it snowed. Went from 75F to 14F in 3 days. First time is had snowed in several years and the first time it stayed on the ground in 14 years. Damned decent of it to wait for me. ;-( I like your state … just not your governor [although I liked him a lot more when he WAS your governor]. Kathie

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Thanks for the invite, Kathy. I’ll pass it on to Roger. We lived in Boston for 3 years in the late 70s. It was wonderful, although as poor students w/2 children we couldn’t afford to do much of anything that cost money. And yet, as much as I hate to admit it, it just wasn’t "home". I do miss the snow sometimes, and I have a friend who lives in Milwaukee who assures me you have exciting winters. ;-) If you ever wonder if all of those stereotypes are true, come on down. I’ll show you some, … and more. – Lynne "KKT" wrote in message

news:413d3cd2$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lynne wrote: > > Please don’t generalize about people from Texas. > > There are a lot of people in Texas who don’t like Bush. > > – Lynne > It’s a little cold, but you’re welcome here in Wisconsin. I met some > great people in Texas [including a terrific woman from Houston] … > you’d be a great addition to the upper 49 [hell, to keep it at 50, > we could give DC statehood!] > Kathie

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Please don’t generalize about people from Texas. There are a lot of people in Texas who don’t like Bush. – Lynne "Chrys and sometimes Brian" wrote in message news:160-413CECC7-274@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net… Well I’m not from Texas,but I thought this was funny! Chrys, STILL in the So. CA. desert, but with God’s help, maybe only 3-4 more weeks….Yip, yip, yaaaahoooo! —————————————————— Please note that Texas is the only state with a legal right to secede from the Union (please refer to the Texas-American Annexation treaty of 1848). * We Texans love y’all, but we’ll have to take action if Kerry wins the presidency over GW. We’ll miss you too. Texas has given all those complainers plenty of time to get used to the results. * After seeing the whiners along the campaign route, the folks from Texas are considering taking matters into our own hands. * Here is our solution: * 1. Let John Kerry become President of the United States (all 49 states) * 2. George W Bush becomes the President of the republic of Texas. So what does Texas have to do to service as a Republic? * A. NASA is just south of Houston (we will control the space industry) & B. We refine over 85% of the gasoline in the United States. * 3. Defense Industry (we have over 65% of it) The term "Don’t mess with Texas," will take on a whole new meaning. * 4. Oil – we can supply all the oil that the Republic of Texas will need for the next 300 years. Yankee states? Sorry about that! * 5. Natural Gas – again we have all we need and it’s too bad about those northern states. John Kerry will figure a way to keep them warm……. * 6. Computer Industry – we currently lead the nation in producing computer chips and communications: Small places like Texas Instruments, Dell Computer, EDS, Raytheon, National Semiconductor, Motorola, Intel, AMD Atmel, Applied Materials Ball Semiconductor, Dallas Semiconductor, Delphi, Nortel, ALcatel, etc, etc. The list goes on and on. * 7. Health Centers – we have the largest research centers for Cancer research, the best burn centers and the top trauma units in the world and other large health planning centers. * 8. We have enough colleges to keep us going; UT, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Rice, SMU, University of Houston, Baylor, UNT, Texas Women’s University etc. Ivy grows better in the south anyway. * 9. We have a ready supply of workers (just open the border when we need some more) * 10. We have control of the paper industry, plastics, insurance, etc. * 11. In case of a foreign invasion we have the Texas National Guard and the Texas Air National Guard. We don’t have an army but since everybody down here has at least six guns and a pile of ammo, we can raise an army in 24 hours if we need it. It the situation really gets bad, we can always call Department of Safety and ask them to end over a couple of Texas Rangers. * 12. We are totally self sufficient in beef, poultry, hogs and several types of grain, fruit and vegetables and lets not forget seafood from the gulf. And everybody down here knows how to cook them so that they taste good. Don’t need any food. * This just names a few of the items that will keep the Republic of Texas in good shape. There isn’t a thing out there that we need and don’t have. * Now to the rest of the United States under President Kerry: * Since you won’t have the refineries to get gas for your cars, only Kerry will be able to drive around in his 9 mile per gallon SUV. * The rest of the United States will have to walk or ride bikes. You won’t have any TV as the space center in Houston will cut off your communications. You won’t have any natural gas to heat your homes but since Mr. Kerry has predicted global warming, you will not need the gas. Signed, The People in Texas

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Heh-heh… That was pretty funny. "Lynne" wrote in message

news:2q4gvaFrinmnU1@uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Please don’t generalize about people from Texas. > There are a lot of people in Texas who don’t like Bush. > – Lynne > "Chrys and sometimes Brian" wrote in message > news:160-413CECC7-274@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net… > Well I’m not from Texas,but I thought this was funny! > Chrys, STILL in the So. CA. desert, but with God’s help, maybe only 3-4 > more weeks….Yip, yip, yaaaahoooo! > —————————————————— > Please note that Texas is the only state with a legal right to secede > from the Union (please refer to the Texas-American Annexation treaty of > 1848). > * > We Texans love y’all, but we’ll have to take action if Kerry wins the > presidency over GW. We’ll miss you too. Texas has given all those > complainers plenty of time to get used to the results. > * > After seeing the whiners along the campaign route, the folks from Texas > are considering taking matters into our own hands. > * > Here is our solution: > * > 1. Let John Kerry become President of the United States (all 49 > states) > * > 2. George W Bush becomes the President of the republic of Texas. So > what does Texas have to do to service as a Republic? > * > A. NASA is just south of Houston (we will control the space industry) > & > B. We refine over 85% of the gasoline in the United States. > * > 3. Defense Industry (we have over 65% of it) The term "Don’t mess with > Texas," will take on a whole new meaning. > * > 4. Oil – we can supply all the oil that the Republic of Texas will need > for the next 300 years. Yankee states? Sorry about that! > * > 5. Natural Gas – again we have all we need and it’s too bad about those > northern states. John Kerry will figure a way to keep them > warm……. > * > 6. Computer Industry – we currently lead the nation in producing > computer chips and communications: Small places like Texas > Instruments, Dell Computer, EDS, Raytheon, National Semiconductor, > Motorola, Intel, AMD Atmel, Applied Materials Ball Semiconductor, Dallas > Semiconductor, Delphi, Nortel, ALcatel, etc, etc. The list goes on > and on. > * > 7. Health Centers – we have the largest research centers for Cancer > research, the best burn centers and the top trauma units in the world > and other large health planning centers. > * > 8. We have enough colleges to keep us going; UT, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, > Rice, SMU, University of Houston, Baylor, UNT, Texas Women’s University > etc. Ivy grows better in the south anyway. > * > 9. We have a ready supply of workers (just open the border when we need > some more) > * > 10. We have control of the paper industry, plastics, insurance, etc. > * > 11. In case of a foreign invasion we have the Texas National Guard > and the Texas Air National Guard. We don’t have an army but since > everybody down here has at least six guns and a pile of ammo, we can > raise an army in 24 hours if we need it. It the situation really gets > bad, we can always call Department of Safety and ask them to end over a > couple of Texas Rangers. > * > 12. We are totally self sufficient in beef, poultry, hogs and several > types of grain, fruit and vegetables and lets not forget seafood from > the gulf. And everybody down here knows how to cook them so that they > taste good. Don’t need any food. > * > This just names a few of the items that will keep the Republic of Texas > in good shape. There isn’t a thing out there that we need and > don’t have. > * > Now to the rest of the United States under President Kerry: > * > Since you won’t have the refineries to get gas for your cars, only Kerry > will be able to drive around in his 9 mile per gallon SUV. > * > The rest of the United States will have to walk or ride bikes. You > won’t have any TV as the space center in Houston will cut off your > communications. You won’t have any natural gas to heat your homes but > since Mr. Kerry has predicted global warming, you will not need the gas. > Signed, > The People in Texas

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Bless you Lynne.:-) Texas also has the evil Tom Delay – what a miserable excuse for a life form. You guys also have Nancy Griffith – I just love her. Kathy K. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Lynne" wrote: > Please don’t generalize about people from Texas. > There are a lot of people in Texas who don’t like Bush. > – Lynne > "Chrys and sometimes Brian" wrote in message > news:160-413CECC7-274@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net… > Well I’m not from Texas,but I thought this was funny! > Chrys, STILL in the So. CA. desert, but with God’s help, maybe only 3-4 > more weeks….Yip, yip, yaaaahoooo! > —————————————————— > Please note that Texas is the only state with a legal right to secede > from the Union (please refer to the Texas-American Annexation treaty of > 1848). > * > We Texans love y’all, but we’ll have to take action if Kerry wins the > presidency over GW. We’ll miss you too. Texas has given all those > complainers plenty of time to get used to the results. > * > After seeing the whiners along the campaign route, the folks from Texas > are considering taking matters into our own hands. > * > Here is our solution: > * > 1. Let John Kerry become President of the United States (all 49 > states) > * > 2. George W Bush becomes the President of the republic of Texas. So > what does Texas have to do to service as a Republic? > * > A. NASA is just south of Houston (we will control the space industry) > & > B. We refine over 85% of the gasoline in the United States. > * > 3. Defense Industry (we have over 65% of it) The term "Don’t mess with > Texas," will take on a whole new meaning. > * > 4. Oil – we can supply all the oil that the Republic of Texas will need > for the next 300 years. Yankee states? Sorry about that! > * > 5. Natural Gas – again we have all we need and it’s too bad about those > northern states. John Kerry will figure a way to keep them > warm……. > * > 6. Computer Industry – we currently lead the nation in producing > computer chips and communications: Small places like Texas > Instruments, Dell Computer, EDS, Raytheon, National Semiconductor, > Motorola, Intel, AMD Atmel, Applied Materials Ball Semiconductor, Dallas > Semiconductor, Delphi, Nortel, ALcatel, etc, etc. The list goes on > and on. > * > 7. Health Centers – we have the largest research centers for Cancer > research, the best burn centers and the top trauma units in the world > and other large health planning centers. > * > 8. We have enough colleges to keep us going; UT, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, > Rice, SMU, University of Houston, Baylor, UNT, Texas Women’s University > etc. Ivy grows better in the south anyway. > * > 9. We have a ready supply of workers (just open the border when we need > some more) > * > 10. We have control of the paper industry, plastics, insurance, etc. > * > 11. In case of a foreign invasion we have the Texas National Guard > and the Texas Air National Guard. We don’t have an army but since > everybody down here has at least six guns and a pile of ammo, we can > raise an army in 24 hours if we need it. It the situation really gets > bad, we can always call Department of Safety and ask them to end over a > couple of Texas Rangers. > * > 12. We are totally self sufficient in beef, poultry, hogs and several > types of grain, fruit and vegetables and lets not forget seafood from > the gulf. And everybody down here knows how to cook them so that they > taste good. Don’t need any food. > * > This just names a few of the items that will keep the Republic of Texas > in good shape. There isn’t a thing out there that we need and > don’t have. > * > Now to the rest of the United States under President Kerry: > * > Since you won’t have the refineries to get gas for your cars, only Kerry > will be able to drive around in his 9 mile per gallon SUV. > * > The rest of the United States will have to walk or ride bikes. You > won’t have any TV as the space center in Houston will cut off your > communications. You won’t have any natural gas to heat your homes but > since Mr. Kerry has predicted global warming, you will not need the gas. > Signed, > The People in Texas

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Well I’m not from Texas,but I thought this was funny! Chrys, STILL in the So. CA. desert, but with God’s help, maybe only 3-4 more weeks….Yip, yip, yaaaahoooo! —————————————————— Please note that Texas is the only state with a legal right to secede from the Union (please refer to the Texas-American Annexation treaty of 1848).

STRAIGHT AIDS MYTH SHATTERED – New York Post

admin — Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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In article Duesberg lost his funding, his laboratory, and his students when he announced in 1987 that HIV doesn’t cause AIDS. "He lost everything," said one insider. Duesberg switched to cancer research, and is now touted to win a Nobel Prize.

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STRAIGHT AIDS MYTH SHATTERED – New York Post March 19, 2004 THE public health experts – and their amen corner in the media – owe Helen Gurley Brown an apology. The legendary Cosmopolitan editor was vilified in 1993 when she published a piece called "The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS." But she was right. Eleven years later, Details is asking: "Whatever Happened to AIDS and Straight Men?" The article states, "A disease-free man who has unprotected sex with a drug-free woman stands a one in 5 million chance of contracting HIV." The story by Kevin Gray also cites a joke that made the rounds of the New York City Department of Health as statistics came in showing that the predicted spread of AIDS to heterosexuals wasn’t happening: "What do you call a man who got HIV from his girlfriend? . . . A liar." "I feel somewhat vindicated," Brown told PAGE SIX. Michael Fumento, who wrote the original 1990 book titled "The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS," said, "I’m not waiting for an apology. It’s not going to happen." When Basic Books published Fumento’s tome, "Distributors refused to handle it," he says. "Stores refused to carry it. And at many stores that did have it, clerks left it in the basement." Celia Farber, who wrote an AIDS column in Spin magazine, was routinely attacked because she refused to rehash the propaganda put out by AmFAR and other groups. "Everybody who was wrong got journalism awards. Everybody who was right got all but driven from the profession," Farber said. Farber exposed the conspiracy between profit-hungry drug companies, researchers who wanted more funding, homosexuals who didn’t want the disease to be known as "the gay plague," and conservatives who wanted to turn back the sexual revolution. "They believed in what they were doing, not what they were saying," Fumento said. "They knew it was lies. They felt the end justified the means." At a recent editorial meeting at Seed, the new science magazine, Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter Laurie Garrett supposedly threatened to quit when a colleague suggested a story about Peter Duesberg, a leading retrovirologist. Duesberg lost his funding, his laboratory, and his students when he announced in 1987 that HIV doesn’t cause AIDS. "He lost everything," said one insider. Duesberg switched to cancer research, and is now touted to win a Nobel Prize.

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Race help for newbie

admin — Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, In order to get myself to run (I don’t like running) I’ve signed up for a 5K race. …. Is there any rules of thumb as far as what to aim for pace-wise as related to heart rate? For example (is this the same for everyone?), at 80% of my MHR I can last forever, at 85% MHR, I will get tired, but don’t know how long I would be able to last, at 95%+ MHR, I die quick. Yep, that sounds about right. But races are different than training. It is OK to kill yourself in a race (not literally). So what do most people do? Find steady pace that will last the 5K. Start out easy and sprint the last mile? How do you find the ultimate pace? As others have said, enjoy your first race and don’t worry about pace – just get to the start and finish. Sounds like you’re using a hrm. On race day, it will likely be about 10-20 bpm high for the adrenaline factor (compare rate when standing before race with normal standing rate). Ignore hrm, unless you make appropriate adjustments. But you already know what an effort of 80% or 85% max hr feels like without looking at hrm since you’ve been training with it (you have been learning the feel, right, and not just listening to beeps?) - and that likely will still feel the same on race day – if you can sort through the excitement. What you might do is start at your 80% feel, then when about half way and you think you can hold it, gradually increase. Trying to run the 2nd half in same time as first half (maybe be a little faster) is usually a good goal. Some people run a race as an individual event, so there’s nothing left and they hurt for days afterward. Others run a race as part of an overall scheme, and like to not be hurting enough at the end that they can run the next day or so. Your choice. But for a first one, I’d probably aim to not kill myself enroute – since you will likely be putting out more than you realize. And if you don’t like running, ending in a not-quite-so-sore state might encourage more running Once you get into it, you may find you like it. Enjoy. Dot

Sounds like a good advice. Thanks.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, In order to get myself to run (I don’t like running) I’ve signed up for a 5K race. Nothing works as well as fear for me when it comes to motivation. A fear of not finishing or not showing a good time, it does not matter. Anyway, the idea worked and I am running every day. The race day is comming up and my question is about the race pace. I am very slow, so the absolute speed is irrelevant. But what I want is to do the race at the optimum speed for me: being able to finish while not going slower than I can go. I am guessing this is a universal goal for all racers. Is there any rules of thumb as far as what to aim for pace-wise as related to heart rate? For example (is this the same for everyone?), at 80% of my MHR I can last forever, at 85% MHR, I will get tired, but don’t know how long I would be able to last, at 95%+ MHR, I die quick. But races are different than training. It is OK to kill yourself in a race (not literally). So what do most people do? Find steady pace that will last the 5K. Start out easy and sprint the last mile? How do you find the ultimate pace? I understand that you can arrive at the ultimate pace with lots of trial and error, but I don’t have much time left (race is in a week). I don’t need to come up with a perfect formula here. Just something that will give me a reasonable performace that I can try to beat later. Thanks to all. you know what… this is your first race, so don’t worry about pace at all. just go out and run it comfortably and have a fun time. make it memorable – with good memories. don’t knock yourself out first time out so that you can only look back on the event in years gone by with memories of the vomiting and severe leg pain

Would never think that people go out and run that hard in the recreational races. I thought most are in for the good time and for beating their last performace. Vomiting was not in my plans. that you suffered. not the way to go. you have found that you can do the distance now, right?

yes. how long until the race? a few weeks? a few months?

5 days. if the race is creeping up soon, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – then just do what you are doing now. maybe do a faster run once per week, where you start out easy and build up the tempo so that by about the halfway point you are at a comfortably fast speed, which you feel you can sustain for the rest of the workout. obviously ease off near the end to cool down again. this simulated "race pace" run will teach your body to handle going a bit faster than you have been so far. if you have more time on your hands before race day, you could also do some intervals to build speed further. a fun and easy way to get into this sort of work is to do what’s called "fartlek", which is Swedish for "speed play". just start out easy and get warmed up for at least 10-15 min. then periodically speed up and maintain that speed for a bit, then slow down until your breathing has gotten back to normal (for running). hold that faster pace until that mailbox down the street. or that lamp post, or that dog on the leash. whatever. mix up the distances when you do this… some bursts can be short and faster, others might be longer, like the length of a street (maybe a minute or two) where you go faster but not all out. i’d say these are fun and easy ways to get into some speed work which can give you some significant and motivational speed gains. you could time yourself on your current running route NOW, then do this stuff for several (at least 4) weeks, then time yourself on a race pace run. you WILL see an improvement.

Yes, I’ve done these before for weight loss and have seen a great speed improvement. When I started (don’t laugh) my max speed was like 6MPH and only weeks later I could run at over 9MPH. My weight has been stable for a while so I have not been doing this and I know I am slower now. i wouldn’t worry about what pace you’re doing or HRM’s at this point. you’re just starting out, and you want to keep it fun and without any undue pressure on yourself. no need to measure yourself against others (yet). best of luck and have fun! Cam

Thanks. If I don’t overdo it the first mile, I think I will.

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Good advice Dot. Jim

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I did not, but I went back and found the post. We were discussing interval training and you were suggesting that I try racing. Since I was not thinking about running a race back then, I did not remember the post in that context. I never want to run and think the pressure of upcomming race is the only thing that will get me out there. I think I was about 90% after 2 minutes, 95% after 2 and – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – indistinguishable from 100% from mile 2 onwards. The problem is that MHR depends on conditions, so it’s hard to distinguish between 95% and 97% of your true MHR. In other words, don’t use a heart rate monitor for the race unless you want to run slowly. But races are different than training. It is OK to kill yourself in a race (not literally). So what do most people do? Find steady pace that will last the 5K. Start out easy and sprint the last mile? How do you find the ultimate pace? The optimal pacing for a 5k is an even pace, with a strong final 400m or so. I understand that you can arrive at the ultimate pace with lots of trial and error, Which is, to a large extent, what you use. You need sharp racing instincts to run a really good race and these come with experience. but I don’t have much time left (race is in a week). I don’t need to come up with a perfect formula here. Just something that will give me a reasonable performace that I can try to beat later. Since you’re fairly new to this — my suggestion would be to hold back a little in the first mile. The excitement of the race is likely to push you out the door quickly and running along a lot of others tends to distort ones sense of pace. It’s very easy to start too quickly in a race setting. Starting too quickly is more costly than starting too slowly. If you start a little slowly, you can probably get back 30 seconds by running a strong last mile, maybe even 10 seconds or more on the last 400m. By the half way mark, you should be at a stage where you’re in just enough pain to be able to sense what the proper pace is, and from there, it’s a steady push to the finish line. Getting to the halfway mark at the right pace is the hard part. My suggestion would be to go easy in the first half and push hard in the last half of the race (OK, you don’t know exactly where the half way mark is but you know, it’s a few minutes after the 1 mile mark). If you finish with negative splits (that is, you increase speed as the race progresses, instead of dying halfway through), I think that’s a performance you can be proud of, and unless you start way too cautiously, it will be a decent performance. I’ve always felt good about races that I finished strongly, even the ones that were not my fastest times.

Sounds good. I’ll try that. Thanks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good luck. Cheers,

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Hi all, In order to get myself to run (I don’t like running) I’ve signed up for a 5K race. …. Is there any rules of thumb as far as what to aim for pace-wise as related to heart rate? For example (is this the same for everyone?), at 80% of my MHR I can last forever, at 85% MHR, I will get tired, but don’t know how long I would be able to last, at 95%+ MHR, I die quick.

Yep, that sounds about right. But races are different than training. It is OK to kill yourself in a race (not literally). So what do most people do? Find steady pace that will last the 5K. Start out easy and sprint the last mile? How do you find the ultimate pace?

As others have said, enjoy your first race and don’t worry about pace – just get to the start and finish. Sounds like you’re using a hrm. On race day, it will likely be about 10-20 bpm high for the adrenaline factor (compare rate when standing before race with normal standing rate). Ignore hrm, unless you make appropriate adjustments. But you already know what an effort of 80% or 85% max hr feels like without looking at hrm since you’ve been training with it (you have been learning the feel, right, and not just listening to beeps?) - and that likely will still feel the same on race day – if you can sort through the excitement. What you might do is start at your 80% feel, then when about half way and you think you can hold it, gradually increase. Trying to run the 2nd half in same time as first half (maybe be a little faster) is usually a good goal. Some people run a race as an individual event, so there’s nothing left and they hurt for days afterward. Others run a race as part of an overall scheme, and like to not be hurting enough at the end that they can run the next day or so. Your choice. But for a first one, I’d probably aim to not kill myself enroute – since you will likely be putting out more than you realize. And if you don’t like running, ending in a not-quite-so-sore state might encourage more running Once you get into it, you may find you like it. Enjoy. Dot — "Success is different things to different people" -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

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I am 48, male. I am a recreational runner but my training is for racing. For me, I train to run races. I run about 12 of them a year. I race 5K, 10K, and 12K’s. I enjoy 5Ks because they are a sprint. Never do I sprint that hard and that long during training, only when I race. You do not need to run that hard in training to benefit from your training runs. In fact, for many of us, training that hard is likely to result in injury. You can run as low as 65% of your MHR and still benefit from your run. These slower runs build lactate tollerance in your muscles which help you build your mechanism for longer runs. Training, for me, is to strengthen my bones and tendons and to increase my cardiovascular capacity while getting out and enjoying the countryside. As you may hear alot, you need to discover the type of runner you are. I enjoy racing, but more exactly, I enjoy running with a big group of fellow runners, celebrating the joy of being a runner and running faster than I did last year. Thats what a race is for me. You need to findout what it means to you. I do not expect you to feel the same way I do about the sport. It is so very personal. Enjoy your race, keep your bib number and write your finishing time on it. See if you can improve next year. If you stay with it you will find it becomes easier to tollerate and many of us even enjoy running. Took me about three months before i lost that feeling that I was gasping like a fish out of water. Also, races are associated, usually, with a cause. Enjoy the fact that your entry fee has gone to support the cause (Arthritis, Cancer Research, Sids, etc). Breathe deep, relax and enjoy the race, if you want to let it all hang out and run at 95%, go ahead. But dont feel anyone, but yourself, is pressuring you to run that hard. Keep at it, running has so many benefits. Jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, In order to get myself to run (I don’t like running) I’ve signed up for a 5K race. Nothing works as well as fear for me when it comes to motivation. A fear of not finishing or not showing a good time, it does not matter. Anyway, the idea worked and I am running every day. The race day is comming up and my question is about the race pace. I am very slow, so the absolute speed is irrelevant. But what I want is to do the race at the optimum speed for me: being able to finish while not going slower than I can go. I am guessing this is a universal goal for all racers. Is there any rules of thumb as far as what to aim for pace-wise as related to heart rate? For example (is this the same for everyone?), at 80% of my MHR I can last forever, at 85% MHR, I will get tired, but don’t know how long I would be able to last, at 95%+ MHR, I die quick. But races are different than training. It is OK to kill yourself in a race (not literally). So what do most people do? Find steady pace that will last the 5K. Start out easy and sprint the last mile? How do you find the ultimate pace? I understand that you can arrive at the ultimate pace with lots of trial and error, but I don’t have much time left (race is in a week). I don’t need to come up with a perfect formula here. Just something that will give me a reasonable performace that I can try to beat later. Thanks to all.

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Very well said, and I agree. cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people down constantly."

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But races are different than training. It is OK to kill yourself in a race (not literally). So what do most people do? Find steady pace that will last the 5K. Start out easy and sprint the last mile? How do you find the ultimate pace?

As you said, it’s trial and error. One important thing to keep in mind is that this is unlikely to be your only 5K, and few people ever get it right the very first time out. So you’ll either run a good solid race, or you’ll learn something. (You’ll learn something either way, of course, but you know what I mean.) I don’t use a HRM, and if I did I doubt I’d use it in a race to set my pace. What I’ve done is figure out what my 5K pace is and gone to the track to run intervals at that pace — I like the track because with all the markings I can check my pace every 50 to 100 meters. So if I’m running each lap in 2 minutes, I know I should pass each 100m mark in 30 seconds. So I get used to what feels right and what doesn’t, and most crucially, how fast I’m breathing, so I can use that in the race. That said … for this race, I’m with Donovan: Start conservatively without feeling slow. Check in with how you feel around halfway, and when you pass the 2-mile marker, if you’re feeling good you can pick up the pace. Good luck! — Brian P. Baresch Fort Worth, Texas, USA Professional editing and proofreading If you’re going through hell, keep going. –Winston Churchill

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you know what… this is your first race, so don’t worry about pace at all. just go out and run it comfortably and have a fun time. make it memorable – with good memories. don’t knock yourself out first time out so that you can only look back on the event in years gone by with memories of the vomiting and severe leg pain that you suffered. not the way to go. you have found that you can do the distance now, right? how long until the race? a few weeks? a few months? if the race is creeping up soon, then just do what you are doing now. maybe do a faster run once per week, where you start out easy and build up the tempo so that by about the halfway point you are at a comfortably fast speed, which you feel you can sustain for the rest of the workout. obviously ease off near the end to cool down again. this simulated "race pace" run will teach your body to handle going a bit faster than you have been so far. if you have more time on your hands before race day, you could also do some intervals to build speed further. a fun and easy way to get into this sort of work is to do what’s called "fartlek", which is Swedish for "speed play". just start out easy and get warmed up for at least 10-15 min. then periodically speed up and maintain that speed for a bit, then slow down until your breathing has gotten back to normal (for running). hold that faster pace until that mailbox down the street. or that lamp post, or that dog on the leash. whatever. mix up the distances when you do this… some bursts can be short and faster, others might be longer, like the length of a street (maybe a minute or two) where you go faster but not all out. i’d say these are fun and easy ways to get into some speed work which can give you some significant and motivational speed gains. you could time yourself on your current running route NOW, then do this stuff for several (at least 4) weeks, then time yourself on a race pace run. you WILL see an improvement. i wouldn’t worry about what pace you’re doing or HRM’s at this point. you’re just starting out, and you want to keep it fun and without any undue pressure on yourself. no need to measure yourself against others (yet). best of luck and have fun! Cam

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Hi all, In order to get myself to run (I don’t like running) I’ve signed up for a 5K race. Nothing works as well as fear for me when it comes to motivation. A fear of not finishing or not showing a good time, it does not matter. Anyway, the idea worked and I am running every day. The race day is comming up and my question is about the race pace. I am very slow, so the absolute speed is irrelevant. But what I want is to do the race at the optimum speed for me: being able to finish while not going slower than I can go. I am guessing this is a universal goal for all racers. Is there any rules of thumb as far as what to aim for pace-wise as related to heart rate? For example (is this the same for everyone?), at 80% of my MHR I can last forever, at 85% MHR, I will get tired, but don’t know how long I would be able to last, at 95%+ MHR, I die quick. But races are different than training. It is OK to kill yourself in a race (not literally). So what do most people do? Find steady pace that will last the 5K. Start out easy and sprint the last mile? How do you find the ultimate pace? I understand that you can arrive at the ultimate pace with lots of trial and error, but I don’t have much time left (race is in a week). I don’t need to come up with a perfect formula here. Just something that will give me a reasonable performace that I can try to beat later. Thanks to all.

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I don’t know if you remember this, but I posted heartrate data for you on mfw some time back. I think I was about 90% after 2 minutes, 95% after 2 and indistinguishable from 100% from mile 2 onwards. The problem is that MHR depends on conditions, so it’s hard to distinguish between 95% and 97% of your true MHR. In other words, don’t use a heart rate monitor for the race unless you want to run slowly. But races are different than training. It is OK to kill yourself in a race (not literally). So what do most people do? Find steady pace that will last the 5K. Start out easy and sprint the last mile? How do you find the ultimate pace?

The optimal pacing for a 5k is an even pace, with a strong final 400m or so. I understand that you can arrive at the ultimate pace with lots of trial and error,

Which is, to a large extent, what you use. You need sharp racing instincts to run a really good race and these come with experience. but I don’t have much time left (race is in a week). I don’t need to come up with a perfect formula here. Just something that will give me a reasonable performace that I can try to beat later.

Since you’re fairly new to this — my suggestion would be to hold back a little in the first mile. The excitement of the race is likely to push you out the door quickly and running along a lot of others tends to distort ones sense of pace. It’s very easy to start too quickly in a race setting. Starting too quickly is more costly than starting too slowly. If you start a little slowly, you can probably get back 30 seconds by running a strong last mile, maybe even 10 seconds or more on the last 400m. By the half way mark, you should be at a stage where you’re in just enough pain to be able to sense what the proper pace is, and from there, it’s a steady push to the finish line. Getting to the halfway mark at the right pace is the hard part. My suggestion would be to go easy in the first half and push hard in the last half of the race (OK, you don’t know exactly where the half way mark is but you know, it’s a few minutes after the 1 mile mark). If you finish with negative splits (that is, you increase speed as the race progresses, instead of dying halfway through), I think that’s a performance you can be proud of, and unless you start way too cautiously, it will be a decent performance. I’ve always felt good about races that I finished strongly, even the ones that were not my fastest times. Good luck. Cheers, — Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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Study links cancer to Vatican Radio

admin — Tue, 09 Mar 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Study links cancer to Vatican Radio. Science News, July 20, 2002 Vatican Radio operates a forest of 31 communications and broadcast antennas just outside Rome. Like the Vatican itself, this complex is largely immune to local Italian regulation. Measurements indicate, in fact, that the facility’s electromagnetic field (EMF) emissions exceed standards for Italian transmitters. Neighboring communities are concerned about possible health risks of long-term exposure to these EMFs. Their concerns may be well-founded. Using medical databases, Paola Michelozzi of the Local Health Authority RME in Rome and her colleagues tracked down leukemia cases over a 13-year period within a 10-kilometer radius of the transmitters–an area that’s home to 60,000 people. Typical Italian leukemia figures would have predicted 37 adult deaths, but the databases revealed 40, the scientists report in the June 15 American Journal of Epidemiology. That tiny increase would sound no alarm, except that a disproportionate share of the 21 cases in men occurred within a 6-km radius of the antennas, Michelozzi told Science News. Also, all eight cases of leukemia in children, slightly more than expected, occurred within that radius. Only leukemia in women followed a random pattern. Leukemia deaths occurred at almost triple the expected rate for men within 2 km of the 31 antennas and double within the 4-km zone. For children, leukemia incidence was almost double the expected rate within the 2-km radius and 50 percent above the expected incidence within 4 km. Absent from the study are direct measurements of EMFs at the homes of people with leukemia, notes Tony Swerdlow of the Institute of Cancer Research in Sutton, England. Still, he says "it’s a paper that I’m sure people interested in the field will want to read." Vatican Radio refuses to make public the power and direction of the transmissions from rotating antennas, making it impossible to extrapolate radiation doses from one area to an adjacent one.–J.R. COPYRIGHT 2002 Science Service, Inc. COPYRIGHT 2002 Gale Group

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Or may be supertitious nonsense. Using medical databases, Paola Michelozzi of the Local Health Authority RME in Rome and her colleagues tracked down leukemia cases over a 13-year period within a 10-kilometer radius of the transmitters–an area that’s home to 60,000 people. Typical Italian leukemia figures would have predicted 37 adult deaths, but the databases revealed 40

40 in 60,000 instead of 37 in 60000? Ooooo scary! Mark. — Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau Member of S.M.A.S.H. (Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)

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alpha-Lipoic acid

admin — Sat, 21 Feb 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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J Neuroimmunol. 2004 Mar;148(1-2):146-53. Related Articles, Links alpha-Lipoic acid is effective in prevention and treatment of experimental autoimmune encephalomyelitis. Morini M, Roccatagliata L, Dell’Eva R, Pedemonte E, Furlan R, Minghelli S, Giunti D, Pfeffer U, Marchese M, Noonan D, Mancardi G, Albini A, Uccelli A. Molecular Oncology Laboratory, National Cancer Research Institute, Genoa, Italy. alpha-Lipoic acid (alpha-LA) is a neuroprotective metabolic antioxidant that has been shown to cross the blood brain barrier. We tested whether alpha-LA is capable to prevent MOG35-55-induced experimental autoimmune encephalomyelitis (EAE), an established model of multiple sclerosis (MS). Daily oral administration of alpha-LA, starting at the time of immunization, significantly prevented EAE progression as compared to control mice. This was associated with a reduction of CNS infiltrating T cells and macrophages as well as decreased demyelination. We then tested alpha-LA in a therapeutic protocol aimed at suppressing EAE after its onset. Intraperitoneal (i.p.), but not oral, administration of alpha-LA significantly prevented disease progression when compared to vehicle-treated controls. Similarly, we observed significant reduction of demyelination and inflammatory infiltration. This clinical effect was not due to an impairment of MOG35-55 recognition by encephalitogenic T cells. In contrast, MOG-specific T cells showed a decreased production of IFNgamma and IL-4, suggesting an immunosuppressive activity on both Th1 and Th2 cytokines. In addition, alpha-LA inhibited the proteolytic activity of MMP2 and MMP9 only at very high doses. Our data indicate that alpha-LA can effectively interfere with the autoimmune reaction associated with EAE through mechanisms other than its antioxidant activity and supports further studies on the use of alpha-LA as a potential therapy for MS. PMID: 14975595 [PubMed - in process] ————————————————————————– —— Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

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disgraced peer challenged

admin — Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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WHO WAS IT, THREATENED THE PRESIDENT? WHO ADVOCATED AID TO TERRORISTS? YEP, our own BILL DAVIDSON, just one day after the 9-11 attack, while the victims were still burning. "we should bomb that pathetic excuse for a man too, or at least give his location to every terrorist group we can find, and let them take him out. Just what we need in the white house, a coked-up dopehead running the country". Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bagpipe http://groups.google.com/groups?q=pathetic+pea-brain+mrrobottow&hl=en… YO! Homeland Security dudes: KEY PHRASES! BOMB "WHITE HOUSE" "TERRORIST GROUP" THERE’S YER ANTISOCIAL NUT CASE, RIGHT THERE! COULD BE another John Hinckley. Check him out! This US citizen publicly called for AID to TERRORISTS: IS HIS NAME ON YOUR LIST? Check him out! To long-suffering RMMB contributors: DO COPY AND PASTE this message. THEN use it to REPLY anytime you have an urge to respond to the NOT-REALLY-ANNONYMOUS troll on RMMB and rec.running. (Why, YES, Bill Davidson, the source of thousands of lowlife postings under dozens of account names, is also "TheBillRodgers" and his clones. Will Bill’s own words amuse him as much as they amuse us? WILL THEY AMUSE OTHERS? Let’s find out. Let’s be sure BILL gets the attention he deserves and craves. COPY, PASTE, REPLY to our TROLL. IT’S THAT EASY

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Damn baby, you are H-O-T-T!!!! Post some naked pics of yourself (a requirement to join our NG anyway) and I’m in LUV!!!!! Wanna go running with me at the nude beach? (when the weather moderates of course…) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Be part of breaking the world record for raising funds for charity through

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Be part of breaking the world record for raising funds for charity through running a marathon When we think of the London Marathon, we think of Paula Radcliffe’s magnificent record beating triumph last year; that thrilling 5-way finish in the men’s race; the enthusiasm of vast crowds of spectators supporting both the elite runners and those that need 7 hours or more; the massive amounts of money raised for good causes. Do the British people want to include