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I think this is a great idea.  I don’t think Chief meant to just have this go on for one day nor do I believe he meant it for just one person.  Might be good just to see people say nice things on a continuing basis. Bye Bye JOJO. raffa…@my-dejanews.com wrote in message

<78qbin$mi…@nnrp1.dejanews.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hi Bill, Eddie and all! >Thanks Eddie for proposing this positive thread. >A difficult choice, for there is a number of people here >that I appreciate, let aside those who have left (I’m >not considering them in this article, but I didn’t forget >them!). >I’ve three names to propose. Do you know them? >No? >I will tell you! >Hold your breath… >* >* >* >* >* >In no particular order: >Chloe, who as we know has having very bad times, and >shows an impressive courage and wit. An example for >us all. >Jim, a nice guy (opps), he didn’t forget his friends in >his present troubles. Even in the past, I’ve appreciated >his nice attitude, and smarticles (smart articles). >SueMarie/Solo, who is very dedicated, and whose sincerity >has already impressed me. I’ve just read her message to JJ, >very good advice. >Appreciatively yours >Raffaele ><http://www.angelfire.com/mi/raffaele55/>. >In article <36B042CD.C271D…@albedo.net>, >  Bill <mrb…@albedo.net> wrote: ><snip> >———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- >http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

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Elitism and exclusivity my ass Mike.  See how something so innocent can be twisted and warped by minds.  I understand what you’re saying with regards to individuals being forgotten, so you can take charge and make sure we don’t forget someone.  And by the way I appreciate you also, for reminding me how little we really can say here.  If you get off your hi horse for a second and just think what saying something nice about someone down in the dumps might do in a positive way.  That’s how I meant it.  I was hoping to continue this thing not just one day but to start a thread that was positive.  Don’t read it if you don’t like it.  I’m done here. No Hugs Eddie (Chief) Mike Brady wrote in message <78r198$2r…@remarQ.com>…

The idea of an appreciation day for an individual stinks so badly I can’t stand it.  It’s nothing short of demonstrating favoritism within the group and excluding those who are not named because they are forgotten or not thought of. Do you have any idea of what this does to a person who happens to be a little low in self-esteem? — to hear that this or that person matters but that you don’t matter enough to anyone to be thought of or remembered? This is the same issue I addressed in my post "A Plea" (10/10/98), and I mean it now as much as I did then. This has been done to me very often in real life by people who did know what they were doing and wanted it that way, and I can’t stand it. So don’t propose an appreciation day for me, thank you, because it wouldn’t be sincere; you wouldn’t have remembered me if I hadn’t reminded you.  I don’t want to be part of your elitism and exclusivity anyway. Mike Brady

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I fully understand that the concept I’m about to put forward is full of potholes, loops and other flaws. However it may be something worth working on (and if it gets totally abandoned, then so be it). In my last year of Senior High School we went on a school camp. On the last night of the camp we held an awards night. *Everyone* got an award. Either based on something they’d done over the year or a more recent event over the camp. It was one of the happier moments of my life.  When they announced they were about to start handing out awards I immediately thought "Oh great… I hate these things, I never get one". Imagine my suprise and delight when I too was called up for an award. The fact that everyone got one did not diminish my joy in the slightest. Each award was unique (mine was the "Strictly Ballroom’ award for my sterling effort on the dance floor… even the kid no one really liked got the "Mike Tyson" award for getting knocked out in a pillow fight). Already I can see one major flaw.  The school awards were set amongst a "fixed" population. Everyone knew who was there and who was not.  In the chaotic swirl of a news group, where people join and leave all the time it would take quite a tremendous undertaking to manage it all. Perhaps a "registry of regulars"? Who knows…. just some thoughts ) – credo On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:25:13 -0500, "Mike Brady" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<mikebr…@spacey.net> wrote: >Dear Eddie, >Yes, I like telling people what they mean to me, too. >But as I tried to say in my first post on the subject, I’ve been in = >situations >in real life where people expressed appreciation for each other in my >presence and deliberately left me out — oh yes, they knew what they = >were >doing and they meant it, and it *hurt*. >So what I’ve been trying to say is that this "Appreciation Day" thing = >could >very well be a means of hurting people — whether deliberately or not. >That’s what *I* reacted to.

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Please take this in the most "gentle" of manner, for that is how it is meant.  <smile>  It’s my opinion that too much emphasis is already put on this "regulars" labeling.  I still maintain that the amount of times someone posts has no basis in establishing their importance in this group.  There are many such as Liz, who posts rarely, but always with good supportive advice.  I value her posts and she has a habit of showing up in one’s mailbox when she is most needed.     There are also those who never post here, but do not hesitate to mail someone privately to express their support or give a compliment.     I can truly see what you are saying.  <smile>  Everyone likes to be appreciate and "awards" are a way of doing that, that makes people feel good, but as has been pointed out…..there is no way to make sure everyone has an award in a newsgroup and so someone, somewhere is bound to be hurt. Hugs, Jae – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -credo wrote: > I fully understand that the concept I’m about to put forward is full > of potholes, loops and other flaws. However it may be something worth > working on (and if it gets totally abandoned, then so be it). > In my last year of Senior High School we went on a school camp. On the > last night of the camp we held an awards night. > *Everyone* got an award. Either based on something they’d done over > the year or a more recent event over the camp. It was one of the > happier moments of my life.  When they announced they were about to > start handing out awards I immediately thought "Oh great… I hate > these things, I never get one". > Imagine my suprise and delight when I too was called up for an award. > The fact that everyone got one did not diminish my joy in the > slightest. Each award was unique (mine was the "Strictly Ballroom’ > award for my sterling effort on the dance floor… even the kid no one > really liked got the "Mike Tyson" award for getting knocked out in a > pillow fight). > Already I can see one major flaw.  The school awards were set amongst > a "fixed" population. Everyone knew who was there and who was not.  In > the chaotic swirl of a news group, where people join and leave all the > time it would take quite a tremendous undertaking to manage it all. > Perhaps a "registry of regulars"? Who knows…. just some thoughts ) > – credo > On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:25:13 -0500, "Mike Brady" > <mikebr…@spacey.net> wrote: > >Dear Eddie, > >Yes, I like telling people what they mean to me, too. > >But as I tried to say in my first post on the subject, I’ve been in = > >situations > >in real life where people expressed appreciation for each other in my > >presence and deliberately left me out — oh yes, they knew what they = > >were > >doing and they meant it, and it *hurt*. > >So what I’ve been trying to say is that this "Appreciation Day" thing = > >could > >very well be a means of hurting people — whether deliberately or not. > >That’s what *I* reacted to. > <snip>

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Dear Eddie, >Yes, I like telling people what they mean to me, too. >But as I tried to say in my first post on the subject, I’ve been in = >situations >in real life where people expressed appreciation for each other in my >presence and deliberately left me out — oh yes, they knew what they = >were >doing and they meant it, and it *hurt*. >So what I’ve been trying to say is that this "Appreciation Day" thing = >could >very well be a means of hurting people — whether deliberately or not. >That’s what *I* reacted to. >Mike Brady

Hey Mike…. When I started reading this thread and saw your first response….well….I thought maybe you had been having a real bad day or something. <smile>  Now I know that this is just a very, very sore spot for you. While I like the idea of appreciation day….I’m happy to see that the others are sensitive to the fact that this bothers you, and have acknowledged it.  But…surely, you don’t think you would have been left out of being appreciated ?!!!  Don’t think for a moment that you would have been forgotten after all you have done to help others and the kind caring you have shown.  Chief’s idea of the appreciation day does in fact show how much he cares and how much he wants each person to know how special they are.  I do hope you saw that part of it, too.  Anyway…I know what it’s like when a sore spot is hit, and old wounds are re-opened.  I guess it would be safe to say that I do appreciate everyone here that is sincere in their words and feelings. Hugs and Smiles, Gina "That’s just a lot of water Underneath a bridge I burned…. ….Still I guess some things we bury Are bound to rise again For even if the whole world has forgotten The song remembers when…"           — Trisha Yearwood

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I do agree with Mike Brady, though I understood the good intentions of Eddie as well. But it hurts a lot when or if one’s left out. Not being appreciated is a hell. Many of you are a good bunch. Giving a positive answer to a line is supportive. No answer hurts sometimes. A negative reaction doesn’t do good, so ask yourself if it needs be… Often I wander why I am doing this… Frans Mike Brady writes>… >The idea of an appreciation day for an individual stinks so badly I can’t >stand it.  It’s nothing short of demonstrating favoritism within the group >and excluding those who are not named because they are forgotten or not >thought of. >Do you have any idea of what this does to a person who happens to be a >little low in self-esteem? — to hear that this or that person matters but >that you don’t matter enough to anyone to be thought of or

remembered? Jae wrote>… >You know, guys…..I truly like the both of you one hell of a lot. I can see >both sides of this issue as well.  I can see Chief’s good

intentions and I can – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->see your concerns, Mike.  I’m real sorry that the two of you are seeming to be at >each other’s throats about this.  It’s my opinion that you are both honorable, >intelligent people, who under other circumstances might very well be supportive >of each other in many ways.  I wish and I hope that you can find a way to see >each other’s point’s of view in this issue.  I’m not trying to tell you that you >have to agree……just asking you to please try to understand where each other >is coming from.  Again, I offer hugs to both of you…….Jae

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    Hi Mike, I know that feeling, like your outside looking in. That’s how I was feeling last night, Eddie was just trying to cheer me up. He knew I was having a really bad night and I was feeling very unappreciated. That’s all it was, a friend reaching out to a friend. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mike Brady wrote: > The idea of an appreciation day for an individual stinks so badly I can’t > stand it.  It’s nothing short of demonstrating favoritism within the group > and excluding those who are not named because they are forgotten or not > thought of. > Do you have any idea of what this does to a person who happens to be a > little low in self-esteem? — to hear that this or that person matters but > that you don’t matter enough to anyone to be thought of or remembered? > This is the same issue I addressed in my post "A Plea" (10/10/98), and I > mean it now as much as I did then. > This has been done to me very often in real life by people who did know > what they were doing and wanted it that way, and I can’t stand it. > So don’t propose an appreciation day for me, thank you, because it > wouldn’t be sincere; you wouldn’t have remembered me if I hadn’t reminded > you.  I don’t want to be part of your elitism and exclusivity anyway. > Mike Brady

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Dear Eddie, Yes, I like telling people what they mean to me, too. But as I tried to say in my first post on the subject, I’ve been in situations in real life where people expressed appreciation for each other in my presence and deliberately left me out — oh yes, they knew what they were doing and they meant it, and it *hurt*. So what I’ve been trying to say is that this "Appreciation Day" thing could very well be a means of hurting people — whether deliberately or not. That’s what *I* reacted to. Mike Brady I  wrote in message <78rdqu$…@remarQ.com>… Chief wrote: >Elitism and exclusivity my ass Mike.  See how something so innocent can >be twisted and warped by minds.

    That’s what many people have been doing to my words all along. >I understand what you’re saying with regards to individuals being >forgotten, so you can take charge and make sure we don’t forget >someone.

    I didn’t think you were concerned about remembering everyone.  And "you" apart from "we"? — what was that you were saying about "Elitism and exclusivity my ass"? >And by the way I appreciate you also, for reminding me how little we >really can say here.

    If I ever receive this kind of "appreciation" again, it will be too soon. Actually, *you’re* the one telling *me* how little *I* can say here — and I say an emphatic *bullshit*! >If you get off your hi horse for a second and just think what saying >something nice about someone down in the dumps might do in a positive >way.  That’s how I meant it.

    Yeah — someone down in the dumps who just happened to be in your circle of rememberable people. >I was hoping to continue this thing not just one day but to start a thread >that was positive.  Don’t read it if you don’t like it.  I’m done here.

    "And by the way I appreciate you also, for reminding me how little we really can say here."  Sound familiar?     By the way, someone who sent me an E-mail supporting my position says that this whole appreciation thing would be group suicide.  I have to agree. >No Hugs >Eddie (Chief)

Mike Brady

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After considerations I admit you are right in your concerns so maybe what I thought was a good idea wasn’t.  But I would also like you to understand that I do care for everyone here not just certain folks.  Sorry for anything offensive I said. Hugs Eddie (chief) Mike Brady wrote in message <78rdqu$…@remarQ.com>… Chief wrote: >Elitism and exclusivity my ass Mike.  See how something so innocent can >be twisted and warped by minds.

    That’s what many people have been doing to my words all along. >I understand what you’re saying with regards to individuals being >forgotten, so you can take charge and make sure we don’t forget >someone.

    I didn’t think you were concerned about remembering everyone.  And "you" apart from "we"? — what was that you were saying about "Elitism and exclusivity my ass"? >And by the way I appreciate you also, for reminding me how little we >really can say here.

    If I ever receive this kind of "appreciation" again, it will be too soon. Actually, *you’re* the one telling *me* how little *I* can say here — and I say an emphatic *bullshit*! >If you get off your hi horse for a second and just think what saying >something nice about someone down in the dumps might do in a positive >way.  That’s how I meant it.

    Yeah — someone down in the dumps who just happened to be in your circle of rememberable people. >I was hoping to continue this thing not just one day but to start a thread >that was positive.  Don’t read it if you don’t like it.  I’m done here.

    "And by the way I appreciate you also, for reminding me how little we really can say here."  Sound familiar?     By the way, someone who sent me an E-mail supporting my position says that this whole appreciation thing would be group suicide.  I have to agree. >No Hugs >Eddie (Chief)

Mike Brady

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Sending healing vibes to Barbara.  Hope you start feeling better young lady. Hugs Eddie (Chief) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Frans wrote in message <78pqed$a0…@news.worldonline.nl>… >I had contact with Barbara yesterday. All the different virus and >bugs in the world are attacking her, it seems and with her bad >condition even a cold can be disastrous, as Barbara suffers one now. >She needs a lot of support right now! >The idea of Eddie about the appreciation day… Shouldn’t everyday >be one? Shouldn’t we ask ourselves if there is one ore more persons >in cyberworld or real life, who could use some kind of appreciation >right now? With all respect, I do like many of you, but my concern >is more about the people I don’t see. Haven’t seen Gina yesterday >morning nor today, haven’t seen Maria, Lisa, Chloe, Solo and many >more. How’s O’Bloke doing, after being wrongly accused, because his >actions were not so negative, what they seem to have been for >others. I do wish my English was better, so I could use the words I >like to say. >I do care a lot, but ASL is more a ICQ this last week. So I careful >make a selection and answer those, I believe could use some shoulder >to take a breath. >I know Nick is in Love with the capital L. He can do without us for >a while, but still gives support now and then. But what about some >good people we lost, because of the arguments. Ric, Jan, Stimpson, >others… I’m terrible with names, and I don’t leave out on purpose, >well, maybe one or two I don’t enjoy reading. >What about that young man, calling out "Frans’s my hero…"? >Those don’t need support now? >One of the very best conversations on ASL I had in September or so, >was with Nick. How we both could divide Trinity. We came out it was >best to divide into three parts of Trinity, so Trinity remains. One >part for him, one part for me and one part for a person, later to >decide. Than I thought it would be good to pick out every day some >nice person, who was worth it or in need of the third part. And many >days I did just that, telling a person how special he/she was and >how lucky I was to read some good lines. >I skip poetry, because my brain doesn’t give the right >interpretation of the writing. I skip mostly humour, because many >jokes are either cruel to others, or make fun at others, or I’m not >a joke-able  person. >Maybe I take life to serious. Father’s day, mother’s day, >valentine’s day, and more all are created by shopkeepers who would >appreciate some more income. And when I hear the US-government spend >the same amount of money on cancer research as the cost of one-only >stealth bomber, than I often withdraw and keep silence a few days. >Politics stinks. Even organisations, meant to give support, stick >too much money on their own pocket. On those moments I do realise >ASL is also a place we selected, to feel important, even if it’s >only the moment we write or give our reaction. >Later I read the very strong misery JJ is having and I wish I was >there to wash her back and scratch an itching toe. But there is half >a world between us and here in Holland many persons suffer in the >same miserable conditions. How small my problems are, than. >I used a dice to give the answer: posting is even, not posting is >odd. >Sorry to have made so much noise in such shining water. >Love you all, every day is appreciation day. Thanks Eddie. >Frans >Bill answers and asked>… >>    Who do I appreciate? Eddie for thinking up this way cool >thread. And Jae >>for the late night talks about poetry. Barbara for being Barbara, >speaking for >>her, has anyone heard any thing from her? >>Bill >>Chief wrote: >>> Whatdya say we start our own appreciation day.  We just pick a >name and say >>> why we appreciate and care for so and so.  I’ll start.  I >appreciate many >>> here and hopefully will be able to talk or say a little about >everyone. >>> Just thought maybe I’d start with say Bill.  I appreciate Bill >cause he’s >>> Bill.  He’s always there to lend a hand when your down, gives >good advice >>> and writes some pretty dam good poetry.  He’s one that helps get >me out of >>> that dark hole I find myself in on occasion.  Thanks Bill. >>> Anyone else? >>> Hugs >>> Eddie (Chief)

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I am back Eddie.  I just couldnt stay away from you  <big grin> still on the mend, and the antibiotics are about the size of the Titanic, but, they seem to have dug in and are making an effort to make my life better. Thank you for your vibes Eddie. SWAK  – sealed with a kiss — Hucuna Mattata Barbara Chief wrote in message …

:Sending healing vibes to Barbara.  Hope you start feeling better young lady. : :Hugs :Eddie (Chief) : :Frans wrote in message <78pqed$a0…@news.worldonline.nl>…

:>I had contact with Barbara yesterday. All the different virus and :>bugs in the world are attacking her, it seems and with her bad :>condition even a cold can be disastrous, as Barbara suffers one now. :>She needs a lot of support right now! :> :>The idea of Eddie about the appreciation day… Shouldn’t everyday :>be one? Shouldn’t we ask ourselves if there is one ore more persons :>in cyberworld or real life, who could use some kind of appreciation :>right now? With all respect, I do like many of you, but my concern :>is more about the people I don’t see. Haven’t seen Gina yesterday :>morning nor today, haven’t seen Maria, Lisa, Chloe, Solo and many :>more. How’s O’Bloke doing, after being wrongly accused, because his :>actions were not so negative, what they seem to have been for :>others. I do wish my English was better, so I could use the words I :>like to say. :>I do care a lot, but ASL is more a ICQ this last week. So I careful :>make a selection and answer those, I believe could use some shoulder :>to take a breath. :>I know Nick is in Love with the capital L. He can do without us for :>a while, but still gives support now and then. But what about some :>good people we lost, because of the arguments. Ric, Jan, Stimpson, :>others… I’m terrible with names, and I don’t leave out on purpose, :>well, maybe one or two I don’t enjoy reading. :>What about that young man, calling out "Frans’s my hero…"? :>Those don’t need support now? :> :>One of the very best conversations on ASL I had in September or so, :>was with Nick. How we both could divide Trinity. We came out it was :>best to divide into three parts of Trinity, so Trinity remains. One :>part for him, one part for me and one part for a person, later to :>decide. Than I thought it would be good to pick out every day some :>nice person, who was worth it or in need of the third part. And many :>days I did just that, telling a person how special he/she was and :>how lucky I was to read some good lines. :> :>I skip poetry, because my brain doesn’t give the right :>interpretation of the writing. I skip mostly humour, because many :>jokes are either cruel to others, or make fun at others, or I’m not :>a joke-able  person. :>Maybe I take life to serious. Father’s day, mother’s day, :>valentine’s day, and more all are created by shopkeepers who would :>appreciate some more income. And when I hear the US-government spend :>the same amount of money on cancer research as the cost of one-only :>stealth bomber, than I often withdraw and keep silence a few days. :>Politics stinks. Even organisations, meant to give support, stick :>too much money on their own pocket. On those moments I do realise :>ASL is also a place we selected, to feel important, even if it’s :>only the moment we write or give our reaction. :> :>Later I read the very strong misery JJ is having and I wish I was :>there to wash her back and scratch an itching toe. But there is half :>a world between us and here in Holland many persons suffer in the :>same miserable conditions. How small my problems are, than. :> :>I used a dice to give the answer: posting is even, not posting is :>odd. :>Sorry to have made so much noise in such shining water. :> :>Love you all, every day is appreciation day. Thanks Eddie. :> :>Frans :> :>Bill answers and asked>… :>>    Who do I appreciate? Eddie for thinking up this way cool :>thread. And Jae :>>for the late night talks about poetry. Barbara for being Barbara, :>speaking for :>>her, has anyone heard any thing from her? :>>Bill :>> :>>Chief wrote:

:>> :>>> Whatdya say we start our own appreciation day.  We just pick a :>name and say :>>> why we appreciate and care for so and so.  I’ll start.  I :>appreciate many :>>> here and hopefully will be able to talk or say a little about :>everyone. :>>> Just thought maybe I’d start with say Bill.  I appreciate Bill :>cause he’s :>>> Bill.  He’s always there to lend a hand when your down, gives :>good advice :>>> and writes some pretty dam good poetry.  He’s one that helps get :>me out of :>>> that dark hole I find myself in on occasion.  Thanks Bill. :>>> :>>> Anyone else? :>>> :>>> Hugs :>>> Eddie (Chief) :>> :> :> : :

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You know, guys…..I truly like the both of you one hell of a lot.  I can see both sides of this issue as well.  I can see Chief’s good intentions and I can see your concerns, Mike.  I’m real sorry that the two of you are seeming to be at each other’s throats about this.  It’s my opinion that you are both honorable, intelligent people, who under other circumstances might very well be supportive of each other in many ways.  I wish and I hope that you can find a way to see each other’s point’s of view in this issue.  I’m not trying to tell you that you have to agree……just asking you to please try to understand where each other is coming from.  Again, I offer hugs to both of you…….Jae – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mike Brady wrote: > Chief wrote: > >Elitism and exclusivity my ass Mike.  See how something so innocent can > >be twisted and warped by minds. >     That’s what many people have been doing to my words all along. > >I understand what you’re saying with regards to individuals being > >forgotten, so you can take charge and make sure we don’t forget > >someone. >     I didn’t think you were concerned about remembering everyone.  And > "you" apart from "we"? — what was that you were saying about "Elitism > and exclusivity my ass"? > >And by the way I appreciate you also, for reminding me how little we > >really can say here. >     If I ever receive this kind of "appreciation" again, it will be too soon. > Actually, *you’re* the one telling *me* how little *I* can say here — and > I say an emphatic *bullshit*! > >If you get off your hi horse for a second and just think what saying > >something nice about someone down in the dumps might do in a positive > >way.  That’s how I meant it. >     Yeah — someone down in the dumps who just happened to be in your > circle of rememberable people. > >I was hoping to continue this thing not just one day but to start a thread > >that was positive.  Don’t read it if you don’t like it.  I’m done here. >     "And by the way I appreciate you also, for reminding me how little we > really can say here."  Sound familiar? >     By the way, someone who sent me an E-mail supporting my position > says that this whole appreciation thing would be group suicide.  I have to > agree. > >No Hugs > >Eddie (Chief) > Mike Brady

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Mike…..I have to admit that I did not think of the other side of the coin. I thought it was a fine idea when I read it and of course, I am appreciative of Bill.  I’m also appreciative of many others in this group and many people that I don’t even know that did whatever they could for the baby.  But, I can see, now that you’ve mentioned it, that if someone did not have their name mentioned for an "appreciation day", it would at the very least make them feel even more lonley.     Mike, I’m sure you know that Chief did not have "elitism and exclusivity" in his mind when he suggested it.  He has stated so many times how grateful he is to so many here, and I’m sure he just wished a sort of "continuation" of those feelings of his.     Darlin’…..if I proposed an appreciation day for you, I hope you know it would most definitely be *sincere*.  You are one of very few people that I communicated with when I finally decided to get back online.  And you "stayed with me".  It wasn’t just a "Hi, good to see you."  and never to hear from you again.  You asked questions and gave good advice and helped me to come back from a very dark place that I’d put myself.  You have both my thanks and my appreciation.  Hugs to you, darlin’…….Jae – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mike Brady wrote: > The idea of an appreciation day for an individual stinks so badly I can’t > stand it.  It’s nothing short of demonstrating favoritism within the group > and excluding those who are not named because they are forgotten or not > thought of. > Do you have any idea of what this does to a person who happens to be a > little low in self-esteem? — to hear that this or that person matters but > that you don’t matter enough to anyone to be thought of or remembered? > This is the same issue I addressed in my post "A Plea" (10/10/98), and I > mean it now as much as I did then. > This has been done to me very often in real life by people who did know > what they were doing and wanted it that way, and I can’t stand it. > So don’t propose an appreciation day for me, thank you, because it > wouldn’t be sincere; you wouldn’t have remembered me if I hadn’t reminded > you.  I don’t want to be part of your elitism and exclusivity anyway. > Mike Brady

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Chief wrote: >Elitism and exclusivity my ass Mike.  See how something so innocent can >be twisted and warped by minds.

    That’s what many people have been doing to my words all along. >I understand what you’re saying with regards to individuals being >forgotten, so you can take charge and make sure we don’t forget >someone.

    I didn’t think you were concerned about remembering everyone.  And "you" apart from "we"? — what was that you were saying about "Elitism and exclusivity my ass"? >And by the way I appreciate you also, for reminding me how little we >really can say here.

    If I ever receive this kind of "appreciation" again, it will be too soon. Actually, *you’re* the one telling *me* how little *I* can say here — and I say an emphatic *bullshit*! >If you get off your hi horse for a second and just think what saying >something nice about someone down in the dumps might do in a positive >way.  That’s how I meant it.

    Yeah — someone down in the dumps who just happened to be in your circle of rememberable people. >I was hoping to continue this thing not just one day but to start a thread >that was positive.  Don’t read it if you don’t like it.  I’m done here.

    "And by the way I appreciate you also, for reminding me how little we really can say here."  Sound familiar?     By the way, someone who sent me an E-mail supporting my position says that this whole appreciation thing would be group suicide.  I have to agree. >No Hugs >Eddie (Chief)

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The idea of an appreciation day for an individual stinks so badly I can’t stand it.  It’s nothing short of demonstrating favoritism within the group and excluding those who are not named because they are forgotten or not thought of. Do you have any idea of what this does to a person who happens to be a little low in self-esteem? — to hear that this or that person matters but that you don’t matter enough to anyone to be thought of or remembered? This is the same issue I addressed in my post "A Plea" (10/10/98), and I mean it now as much as I did then. This has been done to me very often in real life by people who did know what they were doing and wanted it that way, and I can’t stand it. So don’t propose an appreciation day for me, thank you, because it wouldn’t be sincere; you wouldn’t have remembered me if I hadn’t reminded you.  I don’t want to be part of your elitism and exclusivity anyway. Mike Brady

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Now, darlin’…..you know there’s only the two of us who are foolish enough to stay up all night long discussing poetry!  <laugh>  Thank you,  Hugs, Jae – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Bill wrote: >     Who do I appreciate? Eddie for thinking up this way cool thread. And Jae > for the late night talks about poetry. Barbara for being Barbara, speaking for > her, has anyone heard any thing from her? > Bill > Chief wrote: > > Whatdya say we start our own appreciation day.  We just pick a name and say > > why we appreciate and care for so and so.  I’ll start.  I appreciate many > > here and hopefully will be able to talk or say a little about everyone. > > Just thought maybe I’d start with say Bill.  I appreciate Bill cause he’s > > Bill.  He’s always there to lend a hand when your down, gives good advice > > and writes some pretty dam good poetry.  He’s one that helps get me out of > > that dark hole I find myself in on occasion.  Thanks Bill. > > Anyone else? > > Hugs > > Eddie (Chief)

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Since I’m one that’s owing Bill, too, I’d best not let this opportunity pass without making a thank you.     Bill, darlin’…..thank you for all the times you’ve lent me your shoulder in the wee hours of the morning.  The times my own anger made me sick to my stomache and full of tears…..the times my sadness was too great to bear alone…..the times my fear for my health or my family was such that I could not think straight…..you were there with that simple question, "You ok, Jae?"  <smile>  After the first time, you must have known you’d get totally dumped on.  <laugh>  But, you still do ask it.  Thank you, darlin’.  And thank you, Chief for this opportunity to thank him publicly for all he’s done privately.  Hugs to you both, Jae – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Chief wrote: > Whatdya say we start our own appreciation day.  We just pick a name and say > why we appreciate and care for so and so.  I’ll start.  I appreciate many > here and hopefully will be able to talk or say a little about everyone. > Just thought maybe I’d start with say Bill.  I appreciate Bill cause he’s > Bill.  He’s always there to lend a hand when your down, gives good advice > and writes some pretty dam good poetry.  He’s one that helps get me out of > that dark hole I find myself in on occasion.  Thanks Bill. > Anyone else? > Hugs > Eddie (Chief)

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Thanks, Eddie… I think you are onto something… I’m afraid we tend to get caught up in our own lives, and our own problems, and forget to tell the people around us… in this group, and in our lives… just how special they are, and what they mean to us… I have know Bill for close to a year now, and his friendship, caring, and beautiful heart, have meant a lot to me… as the first time I read one of Bill’s moving poems, I knew he was a special kind of man, and a kind, caring, sensitive person… So, here’s to you, Bill… Thank you for all you have given, to so many… from your heart…                        warm, brotherly hugs,                        Michael P.S. And here’s to you, Eddie… another very special man with a kind, giving heart… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -In article <vgUr2.962$G96.13…@news.cwix.com>, "Chief" <e…@cwix.com> wrote: >Whatdya say we start our own appreciation day.  We just pick a name and say >why we appreciate and care for so and so.  I’ll start.  I appreciate many >here and hopefully will be able to talk or say a little about everyone. >Just thought maybe I’d start with say Bill.  I appreciate Bill cause he’s >Bill.  He’s always there to lend a hand when your down, gives good advice >and writes some pretty dam good poetry.  He’s one that helps get me out of >that dark hole I find myself in on occasion.  Thanks Bill. >Anyone else? >Hugs >Eddie (Chief)

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Hi Bill, Eddie and all! Thanks Eddie for proposing this positive thread. A difficult choice, for there is a number of people here that I appreciate, let aside those who have left (I’m not considering them in this article, but I didn’t forget them!). I’ve three names to propose. Do you know them? No? I will tell you! Hold your breath… * * * * * In no particular order: Chloe, who as we know has having very bad times, and shows an impressive courage and wit. An example for us all. Jim, a nice guy (opps), he didn’t forget his friends in his present troubles. Even in the past, I’ve appreciated his nice attitude, and smarticles (smart articles). SueMarie/Solo, who is very dedicated, and whose sincerity has already impressed me. I’ve just read her message to JJ, very good advice. Appreciatively yours Raffaele <http://www.angelfire.com/mi/raffaele55/>. In article <36B042CD.C271D…@albedo.net>,   Bill <mrb…@albedo.net> wrote: <snip> ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own    

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Thanks Bill for being a good friend.

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I had contact with Barbara yesterday. All the different virus and bugs in the world are attacking her, it seems and with her bad condition even a cold can be disastrous, as Barbara suffers one now. She needs a lot of support right now! The idea of Eddie about the appreciation day… Shouldn’t everyday be one? Shouldn’t we ask ourselves if there is one ore more persons in cyberworld or real life, who could use some kind of appreciation right now? With all respect, I do like many of you, but my concern is more about the people I don’t see. Haven’t seen Gina yesterday morning nor today, haven’t seen Maria, Lisa, Chloe, Solo and many more. How’s O’Bloke doing, after being wrongly accused, because his actions were not so negative, what they seem to have been for others. I do wish my English was better, so I could use the words I like to say. I do care a lot, but ASL is more a ICQ this last week. So I careful make a selection and answer those, I believe could use some shoulder to take a breath. I know Nick is in Love with the capital L. He can do without us for a while, but still gives support now and then. But what about some good people we lost, because of the arguments. Ric, Jan, Stimpson, others… I’m terrible with names, and I don’t leave out on purpose, well, maybe one or two I don’t enjoy reading. What about that young man, calling out "Frans’s my hero…"? Those don’t need support now? One of the very best conversations on ASL I had in September or so, was with Nick. How we both could divide Trinity. We came out it was best to divide into three parts of Trinity, so Trinity remains. One part for him, one part for me and one part for a person, later to decide. Than I thought it would be good to pick out every day some nice person, who was worth it or in need of the third part. And many days I did just that, telling a person how special he/she was and how lucky I was to read some good lines. I skip poetry, because my brain doesn’t give the right interpretation of the writing. I skip mostly humour, because many jokes are either cruel to others, or make fun at others, or I’m not a joke-able  person. Maybe I take life to serious. Father’s day, mother’s day, valentine’s day, and more all are created by shopkeepers who would appreciate some more income. And when I hear the US-government spend the same amount of money on cancer research as the cost of one-only stealth bomber, than I often withdraw and keep silence a few days. Politics stinks. Even organisations, meant to give support, stick too much money on their own pocket. On those moments I do realise ASL is also a place we selected, to feel important, even if it’s only the moment we write or give our reaction. Later I read the very strong misery JJ is having and I wish I was there to wash her back and scratch an itching toe. But there is half a world between us and here in Holland many persons suffer in the same miserable conditions. How small my problems are, than. I used a dice to give the answer: posting is even, not posting is odd. Sorry to have made so much noise in such shining water. Love you all, every day is appreciation day. Thanks Eddie. Frans Bill answers and asked>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->    Who do I appreciate? Eddie for thinking up this way cool thread. And Jae >for the late night talks about poetry. Barbara for being Barbara, speaking for >her, has anyone heard any thing from her? >Bill >Chief wrote: >> Whatdya say we start our own appreciation day.  We just pick a name and say >> why we appreciate and care for so and so.  I’ll start.  I appreciate many >> here and hopefully will be able to talk or say a little about everyone. >> Just thought maybe I’d start with say Bill.  I appreciate Bill cause he’s >> Bill.  He’s always there to lend a hand when your down, gives good advice >> and writes some pretty dam good poetry.  He’s one that helps get me out of >> that dark hole I find myself in on occasion.  Thanks Bill. >> Anyone else? >> Hugs >> Eddie (Chief)

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Whatdya say we start our own appreciation day.  We just pick a name and say why we appreciate and care for so and so.  I’ll start.  I appreciate many here and hopefully will be able to talk or say a little about everyone. Just thought maybe I’d start with say Bill.  I appreciate Bill cause he’s Bill.  He’s always there to lend a hand when your down, gives good advice and writes some pretty dam good poetry.  He’s one that helps get me out of that dark hole I find myself in on occasion.  Thanks Bill. Anyone else? Hugs Eddie (Chief)

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    Thanx Eddie, really nice of you. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Chief wrote: > Whatdya say we start our own appreciation day.  We just pick a name and say > why we appreciate and care for so and so.  I’ll start.  I appreciate many > here and hopefully will be able to talk or say a little about everyone. > Just thought maybe I’d start with say Bill.  I appreciate Bill cause he’s > Bill.  He’s always there to lend a hand when your down, gives good advice > and writes some pretty dam good poetry.  He’s one that helps get me out of > that dark hole I find myself in on occasion.  Thanks Bill. > Anyone else? > Hugs > Eddie (Chief)

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You got it backwards Bill.  "Thank You" Bill for your caring and concern for everyone. Hugs Eddie (Chief) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Bill wrote in message <36B041AB.68D22…@albedo.net>… >    Thanx Eddie, really nice of you. >Bill >Chief wrote: >> Whatdya say we start our own appreciation day.  We just pick a name and say >> why we appreciate and care for so and so.  I’ll start.  I appreciate many >> here and hopefully will be able to talk or say a little about everyone. >> Just thought maybe I’d start with say Bill.  I appreciate Bill cause he’s >> Bill.  He’s always there to lend a hand when your down, gives good advice >> and writes some pretty dam good poetry.  He’s one that helps get me out of >> that dark hole I find myself in on occasion.  Thanks Bill. >> Anyone else? >> Hugs >> Eddie (Chief)

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    Who do I appreciate? Eddie for thinking up this way cool thread. And Jae for the late night talks about poetry. Barbara for being Barbara, speaking for her, has anyone heard any thing from her? Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Chief wrote: > Whatdya say we start our own appreciation day.  We just pick a name and say > why we appreciate and care for so and so.  I’ll start.  I appreciate many > here and hopefully will be able to talk or say a little about everyone. > Just thought maybe I’d start with say Bill.  I appreciate Bill cause he’s > Bill.  He’s always there to lend a hand when your down, gives good advice > and writes some pretty dam good poetry.  He’s one that helps get me out of > that dark hole I find myself in on occasion.  Thanks Bill. > Anyone else? > Hugs > Eddie (Chief)

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