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I made some mistakes.

Think nothing of the actual ones you made, it is only human. We all do it. *Dr Polevoy is reviled almost as much as Dr Barrett* The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site. I apologise, those words do appear on the Green Light site. I was a bit hasty with the Control-V. Surely Jan doesn’t disagree with these words.

Apology accepted. Thank you. **Lies and deceit in alternative medicine ** Again, the words do appear on the Green Light – as the title of another web site owned by someone else. If Jan does not like those words, she should take it up with the site owner.

Wrong Peter, wrong. Medical Fraud appears on your website, which clicks on and leads to, lies and deceit in alternative medicine. I found it on YOUR website. I am taking it up with YOU. You are performing mumbo jumbo word games. See how easy it is to admit error, Jan? No, I didn’t think so.

You thought wrong, and you should already know that as Michele and several others have falsely claimed same. I hardly think you missed the many times I have admitted my mistakes and errors and said I was mistaken. See below. Jan Latest in addition to last post to Michele. View: Complete Thread (7 articles)   Original Format Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative It’s called "sarcasm," Jan.

Ok, I apologize. There is so much of it, plus trolls called over  to help the flame wars, it is hard to tell anymore. Very sorry. Jan Re: Andrew? was Re: Migraines & Magnets Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative   Yes I admitI am too quick to react. I respect John’s for ability to remain agentleman andsay what needs to be said. This NG has become a trashing contest,rather than an alternative NG. I hope this will change Thanks for your sincere reply. Jan Yes I said that and it was wrong     I stand corrected. Rich did not ask me to post them. 1999/06/15     Yes, you are quite correct. I stand corrected. I do believe this is in a different context than Happy Dog was referring to.     I do wish to apologize, I should have stated that it was the first post that I have read from you. Not your very first post. My mistake. Sorry, I caused you all that trouble. I suspect you have already figured this out, before you read this. And I do apologize for saying that. That wasn’t fair.: Yes, you are correct and I apologize for losing my temper. From Happy Dog Jan, please tell us where this quote is from.  Revelations?  Is it in your bible?  You are supporting it so I assume you’re sure that it comes from the bible.  So tell us where.  I can’t find it.  But since you’re the devout Christian, you must be able to. erf First of all I have never said I was a devout Christian.   OK.  You aren’t a devout Christian.  Thanks for clearing that up’ You’re welcome, however you snipped, I try, but God ain’t done with me yet.

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative     In thinking that over, you are *totally* correct. I apologize. From karuna: I am sorry for my flippant reply to Rich’s post – that was thoughtless. Thank you karuna, aren’t we all guilty of that??  YES YES YES.

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative I don’t know what happend TDN. All I know is that I do indeed know how to do asearch. I searched for it over and over using every possible word. It simplywas not there. If you didn,’t nuke it then I apologize. I don’t usually accusepeople of something until I have checked and doubled checked. Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative     From Andrew: I owe you an apology. I had asked if you were AF’s bubba. I don’t remember

whatyou had said, perhaps I read it wrong? At any rate, I apologize for all the things I said. From Jan: Well, thank you. And I apologize as well. I guess I get a bit riled. I seem to

be a good punching bag, but then I have been told it is soo much fun to pick on me. I can’t imagine why? Your are welcome. I hardly know what to say. (smile-it doesn’t happen often) Iaccept and appreciate your apology. I also apologize and ask your forgiveness. This has really hit me hard.

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In reading the Green Light, another sick webasite written by Peter B. , I found some half truths, meaning the real truth was left out. For reference, here is the philosophy behind the "sick" Green Light web site:

It is posted below your name EVERYTIME you post. That’s reference. This site was launched in January 2003 as a companion to The Millenium Project site. People kept asking me to give some pointers to sites which I could recommend as an antidote to the hate, the lies and the nonsense in the sites listed at The Millenium Project. The Green Light is a

collection of sites which I believe give reliable information and which can be used as references or to find counter-arguments. I don’t necessarily agree with everything in these sites (just as I don’t necessarily disagree with the content of all sites listed in The Millenium Project), but I believe they offer a better picture of reality than the collected badness at the other place. The name of the site comes from the almost universal use of a green light to indicate that it is safe to go somewhere or to resume normal activity. The Green Light site starts at http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight *The second case is one one sense trivial compared to closing down a web site because of its content, but in a way much more threatening because there is no sort of law that can prevent it

from happening. Someone I know through the – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Internet was told by her ISP that she was in danger of having her account suspended because of her activities in Usenet newsgroups. The reason I say that this is more threatening is that it is impossible to make a law that forces a private organisation to take or keep anybody as a customer. As far as anyone can ascertain, her offence was to accuse someone who posts under a female persona of really being a man, and also to call this other person "Dilbert". I realise that not everyone will find the comic strip by Scott Adams as funny as I do, but this doesn’t strike me as a major insult. It seems that the ISP reacted to a single complaint. The most likely reason for this is that for a large ISP with many thousands of customers each paying only a small amount each month it is cheaper to discard a customer than to spend time investigating complaints, but it would make me nervous if I were a customer.* The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site.

Ok, but they do appear on one of your websites. Is that correct?? Now for the whole truth. Oh, Jan must be about to point out that she is quoting from another web site

Right here on MHA. **"She" is not female.  That’s all I know. ** I won’t allow that

misconception tocontinue unchallenged:   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -**It is causing too much harm.** No, it looks like I was wrong about Jan correcting her "mistake". Research ***You have misrepresented women as speaking in a way that is obscene, profane and degrading. And I don’t mean merely the post you directed at me. Why some male would choose to do this to women, to present females as you havedone,  I cannot comprehend.I ***tI is false.It is wrong. *** **It is harmful.** **You are truly one of the lower forms of male life.** As long as you continue to post as this persona, as the "female" who has posted as you have done,  and so long as I am able, so long will I continue to call you on it. **I do know that the person is male, and is using the "young alt female"guise ina way that degrades women.*** ***It isn’t safe to post here.** (hmmm, Peter left that out) Yes I did. I also left out discussion of the possibility of collusive price manipulation in the Chicago hog belly futures market.

OOOps, typical debunker diversion and http://www.geocities.com/cbpdoc/skeptictricks.html WHAT you left out changes the meaning and in fact makes what you wrote a *half* truth. *The proponents of quackery and medical fraud love to tell us about how many people are killed by doctors each year.* The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site.

My mistake, it was somewhere on your many websites. (No, I don’t think so, nobody *loves* it at all. They would rather it wasn’t hapening. It is posted because, it has been shown, very little , if anything is being done. When, a procedure is still being used that killed a child and the FDA states Dr. Wilson committed

 lie and cover-ups and still reamin son staff, theat is indeed disturbing to say the least). **Supporters of quackery in the United States The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site.

See above. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -There is lie. I don’t know of a single soul who supports quackery. (of course, Peter’s definition of quackery is anything *outside of organized medicine*) like to talk about the "100,000 needless deaths" caused by doctors. (In extreme moments of absurdity, they claim that doctors are the "third leading cause of death".) http://www.mercola.com/2000/jul/30/doctors_death.htm Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 250,000 Deaths Every Year       This article in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) is the best article I have ever seen written in the published literature documenting the tragedy of the traditional

medical paradigm.       This information is a followup of the Institute of Medicine report which hit the papers in December of last year, but the data was hard to reference as it was not in peer-reviewed journal. Now it is published in JAMA which is the most widely circulated medical periodical in the world.       *In an attempt to divert a conversation somewhere about something not related to real medicine,* The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site.

See above. (Real, meaning *organized*) **Editorial October 6 1999 Renowned cancer quack and unlicensed pretend medical doctor Dr Hulda Clark, who was listed here back in April 1999, was arrested in September and spent some time in the slammer where she couldn’t hurt anyone for a while***. The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site.

See above. (*Sounds like Tim Bolen*) I assume this is a complement, as Jan is so fond of posting, and reposting, and reposting, and … the words of Tim Bolen.

Sure you do. Not that this has anything to do with The Green Light, but nobody can know how many people that the fraud has hurt because she does no follow up (unless the victim’s cheque bounces of course) and keeps no records.

So why do you make a statement when you do not know??? (IMHO, he is guily of EXACTLY what he accuses others of, as in:) (He loves tro squawk about Hulda Clark). I would love to reach the situation where I never had to mention liars and quacks like Hulda Clark.

I would love for you to get real and see the lies within organized medicine. *Dr Polevoy is reviled almost as much as Dr Barrett* The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site.

OOOOps.. http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight/medical1.htm *Richard Dawkins, professor of the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford, notes that alternative medicine is defined as that set of practices that cannot be tested, refuse to be tested or consistently fail tests.* The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site.

OOOops. http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight/medical1.htm Right there under medical Fraud. (Three lies there) Is that me lying or Professor Dawkins lying?

Professor Dawkins, with your reference. *Magnetic Therapy:   Another alternative medicine fad that does not work, but this doesn’t stop the proponents of alternative medicines from milking the suckers of society.* The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site.

http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight/medical1.htm Right there under medical Fraud. (*Opinion from one who most like has never had a need to try magnets* He should try a dose of peripheral neuropathy. Studies show this is just another big lie). *.Does Acupuncture really work? The answer is no, unless you consider the placebo effect.* The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site.

http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight/medical1.htm Right there under medical Fraud. (Opinion only). *Alternative Medicine and religious faith claims another victim: The tragic and unnecessary death of Tyrell Dueck due to fundamentalist and alternative medicine* The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site.

http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight/medical1.htm Right there under medical Fraud. Which leads you to Lies and Deciet in alternative Medicine *The tragic death of Kim Perrot: Kim rejected conventional treatment and embraced  alternative medicine, she paid the ultimate price for her gullibility**. The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site.

http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight/medical1.htm Right there under … read more »

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I made some mistakes. *Dr Polevoy is reviled almost as much as Dr Barrett* The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site.

I apologise, those words do appear on the Green Light site. I was a bit hasty with the Control-V. Surely Jan doesn’t disagree with these words. **Lies and deceit in alternative medicine **

Again, the words do appear on the Green Light – as the title of another web site owned by someone else. If Jan does not like those words, she should take it up with the site owner. See how easy it is to admit error, Jan? No, I didn’t think so. — The Millenium Project    http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles The Green Light          http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight

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In reading the Green Light, another sick webasite written by Peter B. , I found some half truths, meaning the real truth was left out. *The second case is one one sense trivial compared to closing down a web site because of its content, but in a way much more threatening because there is no sort of law that can prevent it from happening. Someone I know through the Internet was told by her ISP that she was in danger of having her account suspended because of her activities in Usenet newsgroups. The reason I say that this is more threatening is that it is impossible to make a law that forces a private organisation to take or keep anybody as a customer. As far as anyone can ascertain, her offence was to accuse someone who posts under a female persona of really being a man, and also to call this other person "Dilbert". I realise that not everyone will find the comic strip by Scott Adams as funny as I do, but this doesn’t strike me as a major insult. It seems that the ISP reacted to a single complaint. The most likely reason for this is that for a large ISP with many thousands of customers each paying only a small amount each month it is cheaper to discard a customer than to spend time investigating complaints, but it would make me nervous if I were a customer.* Now for the whole truth. **"She" is not female.  That’s all I know. ** I won’t allow that misconception tocontinue unchallenged:   **It is causing too much harm.** ***You have misrepresented women as speaking in a way that is obscene, profane and degrading. And I don’t mean merely the post you directed at me. Why some male would choose to do this to women, to present females as you havedone,  I cannot comprehend.I ***tI is false.It is wrong. *** **It is harmful.** **You are truly one of the lower forms of male life.** As long as you continue to post as this persona, as the "female" who has posted as you have done,  and so long as I am able, so long will I continue to call you on it. **I do know that the person is male, and is using the "young alt female"guise ina way that degrades women.*** ***It isn’t safe to post here.** (hmmm, Peter left that out) *The proponents of quackery and medical fraud love to tell us about how many people are killed by doctors each year.* (No, I don’t think so, nobody *loves* it at all. They would rather it wasn’t hapening. It is posted because, it has been shown, very little , if anything is being done. When, a procedure is still being used that killed a child and the FDA states Dr. Wilson committed fraud, lie and cover-ups and still reamin son staff, theat is indeed disturbing to say the least). **Supporters of quackery in the United States There is lie. I don’t know of a single soul who supports quackery. (of course, Peter’s definition of quackery is anything *outside of organized medicine*) like to talk about the "100,000 needless deaths" caused by doctors. (In extreme moments of absurdity, they claim that doctors are the "third leading cause of death".) http://www.mercola.com/2000/jul/30/doctors_death.htm Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 250,000 Deaths Every Year       This article in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) is the best article I have ever seen written in the published literature documenting the tragedy of the traditional medical paradigm.         This information is a followup of the Institute of Medicine report which hit the papers in December of last year, but the data was hard to reference as it was not in peer-reviewed journal. Now it is published in JAMA which is the most widely circulated medical periodical in the world.       *In an attempt to divert a conversation somewhere about something not related to real medicine,* (Real, meaning *organized*) **Editorial October 6 1999 Renowned cancer quack and unlicensed pretend medical doctor Dr Hulda Clark, who was listed here back in April 1999, was arrested in September and spent some time in the slammer where she couldn’t hurt anyone for a while***. (*Sounds like Tim Bolen*) (Peter has figures of how many Hulda has hurt???) (IMHO, he is guily of EXACTLY what he accuses others of, as in:) (He loves tro squawk about Hulda Clark). *Dr Polevoy is reviled almost as much as Dr Barrett* All one needs to do is take a look at their websites and see *WHO* is doing the reviling. *Richard Dawkins, professor of the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford, notes that alternative medicine is defined as that set of practices that cannot be tested, refuse to be tested or consistently fail tests.* (Three lies there) *Magnetic Therapy:   Another alternative medicine fad that does not work, but this doesn’t stop the proponents of alternative medicines from milking the suckers of society.* (*Opinion from one who most like has never had a need to try magnets* He should try a dose of peripheral neuropathy. Studies show this is just another big lie). *.Does Acupuncture really work? The answer is no, unless you consider the placebo effect.* (Opinion only). *Alternative Medicine and religious faith claims another victim: The tragic and unnecessary death of Tyrell Dueck due to fundamentalist and alternative medicine* *The tragic death of Kim Perrot: Kim rejected conventional treatment and embraced  alternative medicine, she paid the ultimate price for her gullibility**. ****While medical science has never had more to offer,**** ( I wonder why there are so may *unanswered health problems**) (Fuuny, how I see no mention of people like Ben Kolb and Jesse Gelsinger) * many people are turning to "alternatives" such as chiropractic, homeopathy, "organic" foods, vitamin supplements, herbs, chelation therapy, and ***occult "healers." *** (ZZzz). ***Significant numbers of well-trained physicians have strayed from science into "fad diagnoses" and unproven treatments that lack a rational basis**** (Do note the word strayed) *Vitamins may interfere with cancer chemotherapy While antioxidants such as vitamins A and E can be helpful in healthy people, these vitamins may not be good for cancer patients on chemotherapy.*** (Oh my, now we wouldn’t want anything to interfere with chemo!!!!!) (Knock off those terrible vitamins so you can get some burn!!!! ) http://www.whatareweswallowing.freeserve.co.uk/chemospill.htm **More reasons not to trust Ancient Chinese "Medicines" ** ***Acupuncture may not help smokers kick the habit Acupuncture is like a placebo, it’s better than doing nothing, (but) it’s not a specific effective treatment,” said lead author Dr. Adrian R. White, a general practitioner and acupuncturist from the University of Exeter, UK.*** **By nature, Amish and Mennonites are simple, honest … and eager buyers of suspect medicine .** (Suspect meaning anything not endorsed by *organized medicine*) Those terrible Amish and Mennonites!!! *Researchers from Columbia say prayer does little to help the physical healing process. RESEARCHERS CHALLENGE CLAIMS LINKING FAITH, HEALTH : "Even in the best studies, the evidence of an association between  religion, spirituality and health is weak and inconsistent…" Faith-Medicine Connection Challenged: * ( sounds like athesists) **Lies and deceit in alternative medicine ** (But none for organized medicine). *The Quack-Files (Paul Lee) * (stricky an organized *nasty* member of organized medicine) *Quackwatch (Stephen Barrett) The granddaddy of all the anti-quackery sites. * (LOL!!! He justt happens to not mention the biggest killers of all, while claiming to protect the public) *Side Effects, Interactions and Warnings About Herbs and *new* *Side Effects, Interactions and Warnings About Vitamins and Supplements *New* (Uh huh, No mention of the side effects of prescription, which kill) http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html **The Atheism Web** B I N G O!!! I thought Peter had said he was a believe in God and Jesus?!?! What a pity lying and disgusing webiste!! Jan

Response:

In reading the Green Light, another sick webasite written by Peter B. , I found some half truths, meaning the real truth was left out.

For reference, here is the philosophy behind the "sick" Green Light web site: This site was launched in January 2003 as a companion to The Millenium Project site. People kept asking me to give some pointers to sites which I could recommend as an antidote to the hate, the lies and the nonsense in the sites listed at The Millenium Project. The Green Light is a collection of sites which I believe give reliable information and which can be used as references or to find counter-arguments. I don’t necessarily agree with everything in these sites (just as I don’t necessarily disagree with the content of all sites listed in The Millenium Project), but I believe they offer a better picture of reality than the collected badness at the other place. The name of the site comes from the almost universal use of a green light to indicate that it is safe to go somewhere or to resume normal activity. The Green Light site starts at http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight *The second case is one one sense trivial compared to closing down a web site because of its content, but in a way much more threatening because there is no sort of law that can prevent it from happening. Someone I know through the Internet was told by her ISP that she was in danger of having her account suspended because of her activities in Usenet newsgroups. The reason I say that this is more threatening is that it is impossible to make a law that forces a private organisation to take or keep anybody as a customer. As far as anyone can ascertain, her offence was to accuse someone who posts under a female persona of really being a man, and also to call this other person "Dilbert". I realise that not everyone will find the comic strip by Scott Adams as funny as I do, but this doesn’t strike me as a major insult. It seems that the ISP reacted to a single complaint. The most likely reason for this is that for a large ISP with many thousands of customers each paying only a small amount each month it is cheaper to discard a customer than to spend time investigating complaints, but it would make me nervous if I were a customer.*

The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site. Now for the whole truth.

Oh, Jan must be about to point out that she is quoting from another web site. **"She" is not female.  That’s all I know. ** I won’t allow that misconception tocontinue unchallenged:   **It is causing too much harm.**

No, it looks like I was wrong about Jan correcting her "mistake". – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ***You have misrepresented women as speaking in a way that is obscene, profane and degrading. And I don’t mean merely the post you directed at me. Why some male would choose to do this to women, to present females as you havedone,  I cannot comprehend.I ***tI is false.It is wrong. *** **It is harmful.** **You are truly one of the lower forms of male life.** As long as you continue to post as this persona, as the "female" who has posted as you have done,  and so long as I am able, so long will I continue to call you on it. **I do know that the person is male, and is using the "young alt female"guise ina way that degrades women.*** ***It isn’t safe to post here.** (hmmm, Peter left that out)

Yes I did. I also left out discussion of the possibility of collusive price manipulation in the Chicago hog belly futures market. *The proponents of quackery and medical fraud love to tell us about how many people are killed by doctors each year.*

The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site. (No, I don’t think so, nobody *loves* it at all. They would rather it wasn’t hapening. It is posted because, it has been shown, very little , if anything is being done. When, a procedure is still being used that killed a child and the FDA states Dr. Wilson committed fraud, lie and cover-ups and still reamin son staff, theat is indeed disturbing to say the least). **Supporters of quackery in the United States

The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -There is lie. I don’t know of a single soul who supports quackery. (of course, Peter’s definition of quackery is anything *outside of organized medicine*) like to talk about the "100,000 needless deaths" caused by doctors. (In extreme moments of absurdity, they claim that doctors are the "third leading cause of death".) http://www.mercola.com/2000/jul/30/doctors_death.htm Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 250,000 Deaths Every Year   This article in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) is the best article I have ever seen written in the published literature documenting the tragedy of the traditional medical paradigm.     This information is a followup of the Institute of Medicine report which hit the papers in December of last year, but the data was hard to reference as it was not in peer-reviewed journal. Now it is published in JAMA which is the most widely circulated medical periodical in the world.   *In an attempt to divert a conversation somewhere about something not related to real medicine,*

The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site. (Real, meaning *organized*) **Editorial October 6 1999 Renowned cancer quack and unlicensed pretend medical doctor Dr Hulda Clark, who was listed here back in April 1999, was arrested in September and spent some time in the slammer where she couldn’t hurt anyone for a while***.

The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site. (*Sounds like Tim Bolen*)

I assume this is a complement, as Jan is so fond of posting, and reposting, and reposting, and … the words of Tim Bolen. (Peter has figures of how many Hulda has hurt???)

Not that this has anything to do with The Green Light, but nobody can know how many people that the fraud has hurt because she does no follow up (unless the victim’s cheque bounces of course) and keeps no records. (IMHO, he is guily of EXACTLY what he accuses others of, as in:) (He loves tro squawk about Hulda Clark).

I would love to reach the situation where I never had to mention liars and quacks like Hulda Clark. *Dr Polevoy is reviled almost as much as Dr Barrett*

The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site. All one needs to do is take a look at their websites and see *WHO* is doing the reviling. *Richard Dawkins, professor of the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford, notes that alternative medicine is defined as that set of practices that cannot be tested, refuse to be tested or consistently fail tests.*

The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site. (Three lies there)

Is that me lying or Professor Dawkins lying? *Magnetic Therapy:   Another alternative medicine fad that does not work, but this doesn’t stop the proponents of alternative medicines from milking the suckers of society.*

The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site. (*Opinion from one who most like has never had a need to try magnets* He should try a dose of peripheral neuropathy. Studies show this is just another big lie). *.Does Acupuncture really work? The answer is no, unless you consider the placebo effect.*

The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site. (Opinion only). *Alternative Medicine and religious faith claims another victim: The tragic and unnecessary death of Tyrell Dueck due to fundamentalist and alternative medicine*

The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site. *The tragic death of Kim Perrot: Kim rejected conventional treatment and embraced  alternative medicine, she paid the ultimate price for her gullibility**.

The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site. ****While medical science has never had more to offer,**** ( I wonder why there are so may *unanswered health problems**) (Fuuny, how I see no mention of people like Ben Kolb and Jesse Gelsinger)

I have no reason to mention either of these unfortunate children on the Green Light site. As Jan well knows, however, I do mention Ben Kolb elsewhere, where I talk about the tactic of saying such things as "Fuuny, how I see no mention of people like Ben Kolb and Jesse Gelsinger" when the conversation is about something else, as if the tragic deaths of these children has anything to do with the faults of "alternative medicine". * many people are turning to "alternatives" such as chiropractic, homeopathy, "organic" foods, vitamin supplements, herbs, chelation therapy, and ***occult "healers." ***

The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site. (ZZzz). ***Significant numbers of well-trained physicians have strayed from science into "fad diagnoses" and unproven treatments that lack a rational basis****

The above words quoted by Jan do not appear anywhere on the Green Light site. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(Do note the word strayed) *Vitamins may interfere with cancer chemotherapy While antioxidants such as vitamins A and E can be

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