Talk Cancer

Question:

You’re welcome.  I will post my review of a book by Linus Pauling and Abram Hoffer, *Vitamin C and Cancer* under a separate, new thread.  It may also be seen at http://doctoryourself.com/hoffer_vitc_can.html — Over 130 articles (indexed by topic, or keyword with an on-site search engine) plus nearly 1,400 scientific references on nutritional therapeutics are posted at http://doctoryourself.com  Links to other clinical nutrition and alternative medicine sites are provided. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The New York Times has actually used the very phrase "Linus Pauling was right." To study an example of Pauling’s method in detail, you could try a look at these: Hoffer, A. and Pauling, L. (1990)  Hardin Jones biostatistical analysis of mortality data for cohorts of cancer patients with a large fraction surviving at the termination of the study and a comparison of survival times of cancer patients receiving large regular oral doses of vitamin C and other nutrients with similar patients not receiving those doses. Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine. 5:143-154. Hoffer, A. and Pauling, L. (1993)  Hardin Jones biostatistical analysis of mortality data for a second set of cohorts of cancer patients with a large fraction surviving at the termination of the study and a comparison of survival times of cancer patients receiving large regular oral doses of vitamin C and other nutrients with similar patients not receiving those doses. Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine. 8:1547- 167. And, for the rest of us with math anxiety, Pauling’s analysis of vitamin studies in VITAMIN C, THE COMMON COLD AND THE FLU will do nicely. There have been hundreds of controlled studies demonstrating the efficacy of vitamin C against infectious illnesses. More on this at http://www.orthomed.com http://www.vitamincfoundation.org http://www.cforyourself.com http://www.orthomed.org http://doctoryourself.com/titration.html and http://doctoryourself.com/klennerpaper.html http://doctoryourself.com/vitaminc.html http://doctoryourself.com/vitaminc2.html http://doctoryourself.com/ortho_c.html http://doctoryourself.com/klenner_table.html — Over 130 articles (indexed by topic, or keyword with an on-site search engine) plus nearly 1,400 scientific references on nutritional therapeutics are posted at http://doctoryourself.com  Links to other clinical nutrition and alternative medicine sites are provided.

242.iap.bryant.webtv.net, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter Chowka relates: AUGUST 19, 2000 is the sixth anniversary of the death of Linus Pauling, PhD. Pauling was one of the greatest scientists in history and is the only person to win two unshared Nobel prizes, the most prestigious international award in science and medicine. Except that his second Nobel was the Peace Prize, which has little to do with science and medicine. True enough. But speaks volumes about how a disciplined and creative mind challenges conventional wisdom and institutional power. When I first became aware of the personal attacks he received from the medical profession and many of his scientific colleagues for his work in biochemistry and his ‘theories’ about the antioxidant properties of Vit C and its therapeutic benefits, I came to appreciate the power of economic self-interest and the lengths individuals who are economically tied to the ’system’ will go to defend their ‘property’. I remember the Pres. of the Mayo Clinic at the time, who later became President of the National Cancer Institute, saying ‘Well, we all have to die of something’. Pauling was right, and though his ’science’ may or may not have been technically flawed,  history will record his contribution to ortho molecular or nutritional medicine, which in my opinion may be far more significant to humanity in the long run than either of his deserved Nobel Prizes. I note that the medical profession as a group can barely spit out the words ‘He was right’. Many, unfortunately, still need to be convinced- the one’s that don’t read Lancet, JAMA, NEJM, etc. randy   — David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone      These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct.        "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants                   were standing on my shoulders." — Before you buy. — Many thanks for the URL’s & references.:) Randy

Before you buy.

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter Chowka relates: AUGUST 19, 2000 is the sixth anniversary of the death of Linus Pauling, PhD. Pauling was one of the greatest scientists in history and is the only person to win two unshared Nobel prizes, the most prestigious international award in science and medicine. Except that his second Nobel was the Peace Prize, which has little to do with science and medicine.   — David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone      These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct.        "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants                   were standing on my shoulders."

The quotation from my article about Linus Pauling cited above is from an early e-mailed version that had an editing error. On August 15, 2000, the Web version of the article (http://naturalhealthline.com/newsletter/15aug00/pauling.htm) was corrected to read as follows: Pauling was one of the greatest scientists in history and is the only person to win two unshared Nobel prizes, the most prestigious international awards for achievement in science, medicine, and other fields. Peter Chowka Before you buy.

Response:

Peter Chowka relates: AUGUST 19, 2000 is the sixth anniversary of the death of Linus Pauling, PhD. Pauling was one of the greatest scientists in history and is the only person to win two unshared Nobel prizes, the most prestigious international award in science and medicine. He was also one of the most controversial figures in public life because he devoted much of his time during the last twenty-five years before his death to vitamin C, the antioxidants, cancer, and natural medicine. Because of his interest in nutrition and his innovative research, Pauling was often ignored or denigrated by official science and called a quack. Today, six years after his death at age 93, the evidence is piling up that Pauling was largely on the right track: He was at least several decades ahead of his time in identifying foods, individual nutrients, micronutrients, and nutritional supplements as having significant roles in the prevention and treatment of illness. On almost a weekly basis, a new scientific study is published that documents the benefits of vitamin C in a broad range of conditions. On April 21, 1999, for example, the Journal of the American Medical Association published an article on vitamin C by researchers from the National Institutes of Health. Noting that "Vitamin C is an essential micronutrient," the authors proposed that the current recommended daily allowance for vitamin C, established by the National Academy of Sciences in 1980, should be doubled or tripled, from 60 milligrams to 100 or 200. According to an April 21, 1999 Associated Press article about the study, the reason for the recommendation is "because of evidence over the past two decades of [vitamin C's] cancer-fighting ability." Pauling, of course, was a principal proponent of supplemental vitamin C and wrote several definitive books and a number of scientific articles about the vitamin. BLV:  Vitamin C is one green molecule. When it kenects to anti-oxidents in the body or availability, such as in water, it becomes an antibody, or a glandular, or hormonal fluid, depending on the kenesis. BLV

<–noembed

Nutrition

Alternative Medicine

alt.discuss.health.alternative.medicine

alt.discuss.health.toxicity Member – Allexperts.com

Make arrangements to converse with me on Instant Messenger!Advise Time Zone!

Response:

Peter Chowka relates: AUGUST 19, 2000 is the sixth anniversary of the death of Linus Pauling, PhD. Pauling was one of the greatest scientists in history and is the only person to win two unshared Nobel prizes, the most prestigious international award in science and medicine.

Except that his second Nobel was the Peace Prize, which has little to do with science and medicine.   — David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone      These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct.        "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants                   were standing on my shoulders."

Response:

One of the most interesting sections of Pauling’s book HOW TO LIVE LONGER AND FEEL BETTER is the final chapter.  Here, Pauling mentions, (and with real elegance) that without world peace, pursuing health is rather pointless. As a member of the duck-and-cover generation, I would readily agree: What could possibly be more essential for health than avoiding nuclear war? Neither of Pauling’s two Nobels (both unshared; a world record to this day, isn’t it?) are in health or medicine, as I recall.  The other is for chemistry.  Pauling’s work with vitamin C, and more especially his promotion of other researchers’ work with vitamins, offended physicians and dieticians because it was a turf invasion.  Had Pauling stayed quietly in chemistry, he’d have created less of a ruckus. I for one am glad for the 25 years or so that he spent in orthomeolecular (megavitamin) research.  It changed my life completely. Pauling’s complete nutrition bibliography is posted at http://doctoryourself.com/biblio_pauling_ortho.html and my own personal Pauling story is at http://doctoryourself.com/hoffer_vitc_can.html — Over 130 articles (indexed by topic, or keyword with an on-site search engine) plus nearly 1,400 scientific references on nutritional therapeutics are posted at http://doctoryourself.com  Links to other clinical nutrition and alternative medicine sites are provided. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter Chowka relates: AUGUST 19, 2000 is the sixth anniversary of the death of Linus Pauling, PhD. Pauling was one of the greatest scientists in history and is the only person to win two unshared Nobel prizes, the most prestigious international award in science and medicine. Except that his second Nobel was the Peace Prize, which has little to do with science and medicine.   — David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone      These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct.        "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants                   were standing on my shoulders."

Before you buy.

Response:

Peter Chowka relates: AUGUST 19, 2000 is the sixth anniversary of the death of Linus Pauling, PhD. Pauling was one of the greatest scientists in history and is the only person to win two unshared Nobel prizes, the most prestigious international award in science and medicine. Except that his second Nobel was the Peace Prize, which has little to do with science and medicine.

True enough. But speaks volumes about how a disciplined and creative mind challenges conventional wisdom and institutional power. When I first became aware of the personal attacks he received from the medical profession and many of his scientific colleagues for his work in biochemistry and his ‘theories’ about the antioxidant properties of Vit C and its therapeutic benefits, I came to appreciate the power of economic self-interest and the lengths individuals who are economically tied to the ’system’ will go to defend their ‘property’. I remember the Pres. of the Mayo Clinic at the time, who later became President of the National Cancer Institute, saying ‘Well, we all have to die of something’. Pauling was right, and though his ’science’ may or may not have been technically flawed,  history will record his contribution to ortho molecular or nutritional medicine, which in my opinion may be far more significant to humanity in the long run than either of his deserved Nobel Prizes. I note that the medical profession as a group can barely spit out the words ‘He was right’. Many, unfortunately, still need to be convinced- the one’s that don’t read Lancet, JAMA, NEJM, etc. randy   — David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone      These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct.        "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants                   were standing on my shoulders."

–

Response:

The New York Times has actually used the very phrase "Linus Pauling was right." To study an example of Pauling’s method in detail, you could try a look at these: Hoffer, A. and Pauling, L. (1990)  Hardin Jones biostatistical analysis of mortality data for cohorts of cancer patients with a large fraction surviving at the termination of the study and a comparison of survival times of cancer patients receiving large regular oral doses of vitamin C and other nutrients with similar patients not receiving those doses. Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine. 5:143-154. Hoffer, A. and Pauling, L. (1993)  Hardin Jones biostatistical analysis of mortality data for a second set of cohorts of cancer patients with a large fraction surviving at the termination of the study and a comparison of survival times of cancer patients receiving large regular oral doses of vitamin C and other nutrients with similar patients not receiving those doses. Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine. 8:1547-167. And, for the rest of us with math anxiety, Pauling’s analysis of vitamin studies in VITAMIN C, THE COMMON COLD AND THE FLU will do nicely. There have been hundreds of controlled studies demonstrating the efficacy of vitamin C against infectious illnesses. More on this at http://www.orthomed.com http://www.vitamincfoundation.org http://www.cforyourself.com http://www.orthomed.org http://doctoryourself.com/titration.html and http://doctoryourself.com/klennerpaper.html http://doctoryourself.com/vitaminc.html http://doctoryourself.com/vitaminc2.html http://doctoryourself.com/ortho_c.html http://doctoryourself.com/klenner_table.html — Over 130 articles (indexed by topic, or keyword with an on-site search engine) plus nearly 1,400 scientific references on nutritional therapeutics are posted at http://doctoryourself.com  Links to other clinical nutrition and alternative medicine sites are provided. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter Chowka relates: AUGUST 19, 2000 is the sixth anniversary of the death of Linus Pauling, PhD. Pauling was one of the greatest scientists in history and is the only person to win two unshared Nobel prizes, the most prestigious international award in science and medicine. Except that his second Nobel was the Peace Prize, which has little to do with science and medicine. True enough. But speaks volumes about how a disciplined and creative mind challenges conventional wisdom and institutional power. When I first became aware of the personal attacks he received from the medical profession and many of his scientific colleagues for his work in biochemistry and his ‘theories’ about the antioxidant properties of Vit C and its therapeutic benefits, I came to appreciate the power of economic self-interest and the lengths individuals who are economically tied to the ’system’ will go to defend their ‘property’. I remember the Pres. of the Mayo Clinic at the time, who later became President of the National Cancer Institute, saying ‘Well, we all have to die of something’. Pauling was right, and though his ’science’ may or may not have been technically flawed,  history will record his contribution to ortho molecular or nutritional medicine, which in my opinion may be far more significant to humanity in the long run than either of his deserved Nobel Prizes. I note that the medical profession as a group can barely spit out the words ‘He was right’. Many, unfortunately, still need to be convinced- the one’s that don’t read Lancet, JAMA, NEJM, etc. randy   — David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone      These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct.        "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants                   were standing on my shoulders." —

Before you buy.

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The New York Times has actually used the very phrase "Linus Pauling was right." To study an example of Pauling’s method in detail, you could try a look at these: Hoffer, A. and Pauling, L. (1990)  Hardin Jones biostatistical analysis of mortality data for cohorts of cancer patients with a large fraction surviving at the termination of the study and a comparison of survival times of cancer patients receiving large regular oral doses of vitamin C and other nutrients with similar patients not receiving those doses. Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine. 5:143-154. Hoffer, A. and Pauling, L. (1993)  Hardin Jones biostatistical analysis of mortality data for a second set of cohorts of cancer patients with a large fraction surviving at the termination of the study and a comparison of survival times of cancer patients receiving large regular oral doses of vitamin C and other nutrients with similar patients not receiving those doses. Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine. 8:1547-167. And, for the rest of us with math anxiety, Pauling’s analysis of vitamin studies in VITAMIN C, THE COMMON COLD AND THE FLU will do nicely. There have been hundreds of controlled studies demonstrating the efficacy of vitamin C against infectious illnesses. More on this at http://www.orthomed.com http://www.vitamincfoundation.org http://www.cforyourself.com http://www.orthomed.org http://doctoryourself.com/titration.html and http://doctoryourself.com/klennerpaper.html http://doctoryourself.com/vitaminc.html http://doctoryourself.com/vitaminc2.html http://doctoryourself.com/ortho_c.html http://doctoryourself.com/klenner_table.html — Over 130 articles (indexed by topic, or keyword with an on-site search engine) plus nearly 1,400 scientific references on nutritional therapeutics are posted at http://doctoryourself.com  Links to other clinical nutrition and alternative medicine sites are provided. Peter Chowka relates: AUGUST 19, 2000 is the sixth anniversary of the death of Linus Pauling, PhD. Pauling was one of the greatest scientists in history and is the only person to win two unshared Nobel prizes, the most prestigious international award in science and medicine. Except that his second Nobel was the Peace Prize, which has little to do with science and medicine. True enough. But speaks volumes about how a disciplined and creative mind challenges conventional wisdom and institutional power. When I first became aware of the personal attacks he received from the medical profession and many of his scientific colleagues for his work in biochemistry and his ‘theories’ about the antioxidant properties of Vit C and its therapeutic benefits, I came to appreciate the power of economic self-interest and the lengths individuals who are economically tied to the ’system’ will go to defend their ‘property’. I remember the Pres. of the Mayo Clinic at the time, who later became President of the National Cancer Institute, saying ‘Well, we all have to die of something’. Pauling was right, and though his ’science’ may or may not have been technically flawed,  history will record his contribution to ortho molecular or nutritional medicine, which in my opinion may be far more significant to humanity in the long run than either of his deserved Nobel Prizes. I note that the medical profession as a group can barely spit out the words ‘He was right’. Many, unfortunately, still need to be convinced- the one’s that don’t read Lancet, JAMA, NEJM, etc. randy   — David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone      These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct.        "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants                   were standing on my shoulders." — Before you buy.

– Many thanks for the URL’s & references.:) Randy

Response: