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What you haven’t addressed (remained silent on) is that people who are hiv + are at risk of losing their employment, their medical coverage, their housing, their right to travel to foreign countries, their family, and a host of other loses without even being homosexual – and that would make it worse.

     I have also not addressed the possibility of a giant      asteroid striking this planet and destroying most, if      not all, human life.      Pardon me–being only one person with a limited budget,      one finds oneself only able to require that a person      wanting to have sex with me, must accompany me to an      STD clinic and get tested for a broad spectrum of those      types of diseases.  My intention is then to not have sex      with that person unless the diseases they may have are      cured.  HIV is the breaking point.  Please note that I      will not require that person to be carted off to a      concentration camp or killed.  Also, I won’t be going on      national news to announce their HIV status.  I will be      suggesting that they avoid any behavior that may pass      their infection on to others. What you or anyone has failed to propose or outline is what the government or society will do to ensure that those that are confimed as hiv + in global testing will treated or assisted medically, emotionally, financially in this disease epidemic.

     My budget is limited and so the programs I might actually      propose would be a joke.  I’ll leave that to those      people and institutions with money enough to accomplish      those sorts of things.      Also, I will attempt to keep myself HIV (and other STDs)      free so as not to be a burden on society.  That’s about      all I can really do–but I CAN do that! Until that is clear, it would appear silence will prevail.

     Trust that I will not be silent–as I’ve not been on      this issue and what individuals can do on this issue. Lastly, you also appreciate, that if one doesn’t have a clue as to their HIV status, they are not at risk of jail or prosecution, but those that do know they are hiv + are at risk of jail or prosecution.

     I don’t have a problem with sending people to jail who      know their HIV status–yet continue to endanger others. You have not stated one single benefit that anyone in society has to tell someone they are hiv +.

     Ok.  Telling me they are HIV positive is a way of making      sure I will remain HIV negative. I’ll not have any kind of      sexual contact with someone who is HIV+.  That way at least      one person will not become infected–and the consequent      health benefits from having one less HIV+ individual will      accrue to society. However, you reinforced the belief that the only hope for survival is to wear a condom, and even those fail – sometimes.

     Condoms can make a difference–they reduce the possibility      of a person becoming HIV+ after having sex with another      HIV+ person.  My resolution is to not have sexual contact      with an HIV person under any circumstances.  I’ll not be      deciding to have sex with a condom.  That means there won’t      be any chance of a condom failure.      Collaborative WebLog      The strategy. Get tested together before you have sex.      http://NotB4WeKnow.EditThisPage.com      http://NotB4WeKnow.blog-city.com

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…compare that right with the rights of an uninfected person, for example the rights of a baby or the rights of another sex partner of somebody not even knowing they got infected and then sexually transmitted infections are passed on along again and again making diseases epidemic.

Your points are well taken.  Yes, mothers each day produce aids infected babies, people have sex with people whom don’t know they are infected with aids and then make this a disease epidemic.   What you haven’t addressed (remained silent on) is that people who are hiv + are at risk of losing their employment, their medical coverage, their housing, their right to travel to foreign countries, their family, and a host of other loses without even being homosexual – and that would make it worse.   What you or anyone has failed to propose or outline is what the government or society will do to ensure that those that are confimed as hiv + in global testing will treated or assisted medically, emotionally, financially in this disease epidemic.  Until that is clear, it would appear silence will prevail. Lastly, you also appreciate, that if one doesn’t have a clue as to their HIV status, they are not at risk of jail or prosecution, but those that do know they are hiv + are at risk of jail or prosecution.  You have not stated one single benefit that anyone in society has to tell someone they are hiv +.  However, you reinforced the belief that the only hope for survival is to wear a condom, and even those fail – sometimes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Collaborative WebLog The strategy. Get tested together before you have sex. http://NotB4WeKnow.EditThisPage.com http://NotB4WeKnow.blog-city.com

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People in uniform are not a random sample of the general population Mostly men. There are opposing forces. Less women. Homophobia in the military. Men who choose to be in a service with mostly men. People who get human immunodeficiency virus and know about it are not likely to enlist. Collaborative WebLog The strategy. Get tested together before you have sex http://NotB4WeKnow.EditThisPage.com http://NotB4WeKnow.blog-city.com

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…compare that right with the rights of an uninfected person, for example the rights of a baby or the rights of another sex partner of somebody not even knowing they got infected and then sexually transmitted infections are passed on along again and again making diseases epidemic. Collaborative WebLog The strategy. Get tested together before you have sex. http://NotB4WeKnow.EditThisPage.com http://NotB4WeKnow.blog-city.com

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Actually I’ve been wishing that blind tests (of whichever or preferably all of the bogus tests) would be done in all patients in a hospital, for example in South Africa where it might be allowed, or as a privately funded study. I think this could  be a major disaster for Aids Inc since I expect a huge number of sick people would turn up HIV+, eg many cancer patients. Of course there is a privacy issue in having universal testing which you are perhaps indifferent to, but a large anonymous survey of hospital patients would not have that ethical problem. Yet I’m sure it would be "politically incorrect" and I doubt has ever been done, due to the damage (I expect) it would do the Aids establishment.

Well in that most industrialized nations of the world test all new members of there military for AID’s, and several European studies have done widespread testing, and all donated blood in all most the entire world is tested you would be wrong in your stated assumptions above. Gary Stein

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Can you not get it through your thick skull that there is NO TEST, nor for that matter, any syndrome called ‘AIDS’. A test for antibodies is NOT A TEST FOR ‘AIDS’. Wise up.

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Actually I’ve been wishing that blind tests (of whichever or preferably all of the bogus tests) would be done in all patients in a hospital, for example in South Africa where it might be allowed, or as a privately funded study. I think this could  be a major disaster for Aids Inc since I expect a huge number of sick people would turn up HIV+, eg many cancer patients. Of course there is a privacy issue in having universal testing which you are perhaps indifferent to, but a large anonymous survey of hospital patients would not have that ethical problem. Yet I’m sure it would be "politically incorrect" and I doubt has ever been done, due to the damage (I expect) it would do the Aids establishment. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If it was not politically incorrect we could have universal testing. We could know for example about people who get exposed to human immunodeficiency virus and do not get infected. We could know more about the genetics of people who get exposed to hiv and do not get infected and use that information to cure people or prevent new infections. Collaborative WebLog The strategy. Get tested together before you have sex http://NotB4WeKnow.EditThisPage.com http://NotB4WeKnow.blog-city.com

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If it was not politically incorrect we could have universal testing. We could know for example about people who get exposed to human immunodeficiency virus and do not get infected. We could know more about the genetics of people who get exposed to hiv and do not get infected and use that information to cure people or prevent new infections. Collaborative WebLog The strategy. Get tested together before you have sex http://NotB4WeKnow.EditThisPage.com http://NotB4WeKnow.blog-city.com

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