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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nice GWB, be prepared in the next ten years a rocketing number of heterosexual people having STD rates worse than what the homosexual community had at the height of the AIDs/HIV outbreak. Yet it didn’t happen 20 years ago when the gay lobby was clamoring for more spending on AIDS research (an effort which has effectively issed billions down a rathole because dissenting the party line regarding the cause and nature of AIDS is politically incorrect). What makes you think it’s going to happen now? More of that christian science no doubt. No doubt in your closed little mind. How about explaining the statements from these individuals?

You can try to cloud your bigotry under a bunch of irrelevant crapola, but the fact is the issue here in not homosexuality it is equal rights. AIDS is Disease is not a sexual orientation, a gay can marry a lesbian proving it has nothing to do with their sexual orientation. Your lot love to yell the sky is falling and Segregation Now, Segregation Forever, but it is irrelevant to equal rights issues. If a man can marry a woman the woman must have the same right as a man or her equal rights have been violated. "Many court watchers believe that within five to 10 years the U.S. Supreme Court will hold that there is a constitutional right to homosexual marriage, … The chosen instrument will be the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. After all, if state law forbids Fred to marry Henry, aren’t they denied equal protection when the law permits Tom and Jane to marry?" By Judge Robert H. Bork, US Supreme Court nominee

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nice GWB, be prepared in the next ten years a rocketing number of heterosexual people having STD rates worse than what the homosexual community had at the height of the AIDs/HIV outbreak. Yet it didn’t happen 20 years ago when the gay lobby was clamoring for more spending on AIDS research (an effort which has effectively issed billions down a rathole because dissenting the party line regarding the cause and nature of AIDS is politically incorrect). What makes you think it’s going to happen now? More of that christian science no doubt. Revisionist history. During these critical years, at the dawn of this pandemic, President Ronald Reagan remained silent. Although his supporters liked to call him "The Great Communicator," it took President Reagan seven years to publicly acknowledge the existence of the disease. AIDS, which in 1981 – the first year of Reagan’s term in office – had been diagnosed in roughly 335 people and took the lives of 158, exploded exponentially while he and his administration maintained a regime of silence in the face of the growing pandemic. Six years later, in 1987, when President Reagan finally uttered the word "AIDS" in public, over 71,000 people had been diagnosed in the United States and over 41,000 of them had died. In those shameful years of silence, the number of HIV/AIDS diagnoses had jumped 21,000 percent; the number of AIDS deaths had jumped 25,900 percent. The failure of U.S. leadership, as well as political leadership around the world, at the outset of this crisis was blatant and unforgivable. Ignorance and denial and a stark homophobia squandered our best chance to face up to the threat, and control its devastating effects on our nation. Statement of Congressman Bernie Sanders (I) on 5/2/2003 http://bernie.house.gov/statements/20030505173231.asp

Oh sure.  It’s all Reagan’s fault.  He was spending his nights in homo bars spreading the disease, wasn’t he? Perhaps you missed the newspapers of the day and didn’t read the pieces about the massive hosexual protests when the local governements in places lke San Fransisco attempted to do anything.  Rememeber the protests when they suggested closing down the "bath houses"?  I guess that’s Reagan’s fault too.  Reagan was a great genetisist who designed the HIV virus, wasn’t he? What kind of lunatic takes stupid risks and them blames the president when he get’s himself hurt? William R. James

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | | | | | Just how much did the USA piss am moan when China introduced | their birth control measures to control women’s bodies and control | their bodies in reproduction, now the USA is doing the very same | thing. There is no difference between the USA and the former | USSR and China, only the name has changed. | | If you can’t see the obvious difference between America and the USSR or | Red | China you need a course in history. | | The USSR had gulags the USSA has Guantanamo, where the | federal court orders of habeas corpus has denied, the denial a | speedy trial and representation, a gulag. | | The people currently in Gitmo were ARMED COMBATANTS who in almost all cases | are NOT US citizens. They weren’t observing Geneva Convention rules | regarding belligerents (wearing distinct uniforms, identification with the | fighting forces of a legitimate recognized nation, committing acts of | violence while held as prisoners), so they are in effect "unlawful | combatants" and are treated as such. Those in Russia’s Gulags were CIVILIANS | and CITIZENS of the Soviet Union who often wound up there for voicing | dissent of Soviet policies. In fact, if the USSR existed today, you could | have been hauled off merely for posting your opinions on Usenet. The fact | that you able to log in here everday and post your absolute nonsense with no | fear of recrimination or retailiation by the US Government is clear proof | that there’s no parallel, and that you are either seriously out of touch | with reality or spreading deliberate falsehoods to further your extreme | leftist agenda. | Nothing allows the US to ignore the Geneva convention.

Wrong. Protection under the Geneva Convention works both ways – if you country doesn’t accept the conditions placed on it, you are not entitled to protection from it. For example, combatants can’t be prosecuted for killing other combatants. However, if soldiers from A surrender to B, they are no longer considered combatants but are prisoners. B is responsible for their safety and well being upon their ceasing combat. If return, the soldiers from A are incarcerated and must cease hostilities.  If the soldiers from A that are incarcerated violate that provision, they can be tried as criminals under the military justice system of B. For example, all those Taliban soldiers involved in that prison revolt that killed that CIA agent in Afghanistan can be tried as murderers under the UCMJ of the US Armed Forces. No Johnny Cochran, no civilian jury, no governor commuting sentences. They could have been legally hanged the next day and there wouldn’t have been a single thing under the Geneva accords that demanded otherwise.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nice GWB, be prepared in the next ten years a rocketing number of heterosexual people having STD rates worse than what the homosexual community had at the height  of the AIDs/HIV outbreak. Yet it didn’t happen 20 years ago when the gay lobby was clamoring for  more spending on AIDS research (an effort which has effectively issed  billions down a rathole because dissenting the party line regarding the cause and nature of AIDS is politically incorrect). What makes you think it’s  going to happen now? More of that christian science no doubt. No doubt in your closed little mind. How about explaining the statements from these individuals? Most quoted references are about 10 years old or more.

Does that mean they are irrelevant or wrong? How do you come up with that? Do you doubt that 20 years ago that all the doomsayers were telling us that there was going to be huge heterosexual epidemic? WHERE IS IT? Whole populations of countries (heterosexual) face complete eradication and/or extinction in Africa.

No they don’t. Africans have been dying of the same shit (influenza, diarrhea, dysentery, wasting disease) for ages, as a result of malnutrition, poor santiation/hygeine practices, and lack of proper medical care – all the results of POVERTY, not some retruvirus that it so weak that it needs to reproduced under testing conditions thousands of times to be even detectable. Most so-called AIDS cases in Africa are NOT diagnosed by testing, due it’s cost – they are diagnosed by SYMPTOMS which are hardly unique to AIDS. Even though many Africans realize it’s a joke, their governments go along with it because they know the goo-goo gullible Americans will send money to combat AIDS more readily than they will finance more mundane (but badly needed) courses of action, such as developing fresh water supplies and sewage treatment plants. Face it – when was the last time you saw a Hollywood entertainment personality wearing a brown ribbon for Diarrhea Awareness Month?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nice GWB, be prepared in the next ten years a rocketing number of heterosexual people having STD rates worse than what the homosexual community had at the height  of the AIDs/HIV outbreak. Yet it didn’t happen 20 years ago when the gay lobby was clamoring for  more spending on AIDS research (an effort which has effectively issed  billions down a rathole because dissenting the party line regarding the cause and nature of AIDS is politically incorrect). What makes you think it’s  going to happen now? More of that christian science no doubt. No doubt in your closed little mind. How about explaining the statements from these individuals?

Most quoted references are about 10 years old or more. How do you come up with that? Do you doubt that 20 years ago that all the doomsayers were telling us that there was going to be huge heterosexual epidemic? WHERE IS IT?

Whole populations of countries (heterosexual) face complete eradication and/or extinction in Africa. Shan

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| | Just how much did the USA piss am moan when China introduced | their birth control measures to control women’s bodies and control | their bodies in reproduction, now the USA is doing the very same | thing. There is no difference between the USA and the former | USSR and China, only the name has changed. | | If you can’t see the obvious difference between America and the USSR or | Red | China you need a course in history. | | The USSR had gulags the USSA has Guantanamo, where the | federal court orders of habeas corpus has denied, the denial a | speedy trial and representation, a gulag. | | The people currently in Gitmo were ARMED COMBATANTS who in almost all cases | are NOT US citizens. They weren’t observing Geneva Convention rules | regarding belligerents (wearing distinct uniforms, identification with the | fighting forces of a legitimate recognized nation, committing acts of | violence while held as prisoners), so they are in effect "unlawful | combatants" and are treated as such. Those in Russia’s Gulags were CIVILIANS | and CITIZENS of the Soviet Union who often wound up there for voicing | dissent of Soviet policies. In fact, if the USSR existed today, you could | have been hauled off merely for posting your opinions on Usenet. The fact | that you able to log in here everday and post your absolute nonsense with no | fear of recrimination or retailiation by the US Government is clear proof | that there’s no parallel, and that you are either seriously out of touch | with reality or spreading deliberate falsehoods to further your extreme | leftist agenda. | | Nothing allows the US to ignore the Geneva convention. M

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | | | | | Just how much did the USA piss am moan when China introduced | their birth control measures to control women’s bodies and control | their bodies in reproduction, now the USA is doing the very same | thing. There is no difference between the USA and the former | USSR and China, only the name has changed. | | If you can’t see the obvious difference between America and the USSR or | Red | China you need a course in history. | | The USSR had gulags the USSA has Guantanamo, where the | federal court orders of habeas corpus has denied, the denial a | speedy trial and representation, a gulag. | | The people currently in Gitmo were ARMED COMBATANTS who in almost all cases | are NOT US citizens. They weren’t observing Geneva Convention rules | regarding belligerents (wearing distinct uniforms, identification with the | fighting forces of a legitimate recognized nation, committing acts of | violence while held as prisoners), so they are in effect "unlawful | combatants" and are treated as such. Those in Russia’s Gulags were CIVILIANS | and CITIZENS of the Soviet Union who often wound up there for voicing | dissent of Soviet policies. In fact, if the USSR existed today, you could | have been hauled off merely for posting your opinions on Usenet. The fact | that you able to log in here everday and post your absolute nonsense with no | fear of recrimination or retailiation by the US Government is clear proof | that there’s no parallel, and that you are either seriously out of touch | with reality or spreading deliberate falsehoods to further your extreme | leftist agenda. | | Nothing allows the US to ignore the Geneva convention. M

You haven’t shown that the Geneva Convention is being ignored.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just how much did the USA piss am moan when China introduced their birth control measures to control women’s bodies and control their bodies in reproduction, now the USA is doing the very same thing. There is no difference between the USA and the former USSR and China, only the name has changed. If you can’t see the obvious difference between America and the USSR or Red China you need a course in history. If youu cannot see that the government FORCING women to follow it’s rules (either getting an abortion, or denying them an abortion) is the SAME – no matter what nation it is in …….you need a course in reality! Oh, great! Yet another abortion absolutist… It’s called freedom of choice!

Where does "freedom of choice" end and "murder" begin? It’s a legitimate question, whether you belive it’s at birth, conception, or somewhere in between.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just how much did the USA piss am moan when China introduced their birth control measures to control women’s bodies and control their bodies in reproduction, now the USA is doing the very same thing. There is no difference between the USA and the former USSR and China, only the name has changed. If you can’t see the obvious difference between America and the USSR or Red China you need a course in history. If youu cannot see that the government FORCING women to follow it’s rules (either getting an abortion, or denying them an abortion) is the SAME – no matter what nation it is in …….you need a course in reality!

But the government isn’t denying individuals abortions provided that they are early in the term. It IS presenting the argument that at one point it is no LONGER  a fetus but a human being, and that waiting until a point in the pregnancy where the baby could conceivably live outside the body to basically pull it out and butcher it crosses the line. Sorry you can’t make that distinction. The people currently in Gitmo were ARMED COMBATANTS who in almost all cases are NOT US citizens. Armed combatants AGAINST a rogue nation that had invaded their country

How are we a "rogue nation"? And yes, we invaded their country after they attacked our shore and declared war on us. If you believe otherwise, then you’re completely out of touch with reality. "legal limbo", where even their Geneva Convention rights arenot being allowed! They weren’t observing Geneva Convention rules Neither is George Bush!!!!!!

Proof? Show me the sections that he is violating – go ahead.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nice GWB, be prepared in the next ten years a rocketing number of heterosexual people having STD rates worse than what the homosexual community had at the height of the AIDs/HIV outbreak. Yet it didn’t happen 20 years ago when the gay lobby was clamoring for more spending on AIDS research (an effort which has effectively issed billions down a rathole because dissenting the party line regarding the cause and nature of AIDS is politically incorrect). What makes you think it’s going to happen now? More of that christian science no doubt.

No doubt in your closed little mind. How about explaining the statements from these individuals?     a.. Dr. Kary Mullis, Biochemist, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry:       "If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact, at least with a high probability. There is no such document." (Sunday Times (London) 28 nov. 1993)     a.. Dr. Heinz Ludwig S