Talk Cancer

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:If Hulda’s treatments are not harmful (I don’t know if they are or not, I’d :like to hear about this one), and I had cancer, I surely would try them. *Why* would you surely try them?

I will tell you why I would do it. After you got your surgery and chemotherapy or radiotherapy doctors proclaim you cured. You go to the oncologist every six month to check if the Big C is back.  In between you do nothing but worry: is it or is it not? If you follow some reasonable kind of alternative treatment, which is not very expensive and will do no harm and possibly some good, (like vit.C or herbs) you have 2-3 possible kinds of benefits: 1/ possibility that treatment itself is working 2/ following the treatment can have a powerful placebo effect: knowing the relationship between the mind (and stress) and immunological system it is easy to understand so called faith healing 3/feeling of taking an active part in the healing process decreases your worry and elevates your mood I agree with you that the most important is to get the best possible medical care. But Steve, get real, most of us do not get it. We get overworked, tired surgeons and consultants who have more patients then time. We do not get enough tests because of costs. What do you advice people to do, sit happily with a blind faith in great medicine and wonderful doctors? May be you are right, if this faith is strong enough, it can cure you too. Eva

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: :Cures come in all shapes and sizes.  You never know which one will work for :you.  I once heard of a kid with cancer who envisioned a video game, him being :in a ship shooting at the enemy flying around.  I don’t know if he :intentionally pictured the cancer as the enemy in the ships or was just a kid :envisioning a shoot-em-up game.  But one day he went looking for the enemy and :couldn’t find any, and when tested, his cancer was gone.  I’ve heard of other :stories in this vein.  I’ve been involved in metaphysics for 14 years and I :know that the mind is very very powerful. I agree that there are many side paths that once in a while might lead to an unexpectedly good results – and it’s really very hard to impossible to tell if the path you take will work for you. There is no crystal ball. But that doesn’t mean that all paths are equal – that it doesn’t matter what you do. Surely it makes sense to follow the path that has the greatest *chance* of helping you even though you can’t know if it will actually help you! Surely it matters what you do!  : :If Hulda’s treatments are not harmful (I don’t know if they are or not, I’d :like to hear about this one), and I had cancer, I surely would try them. *Why* would you surely try them? I have decided to proclaim that peanut butter, banana and cheese all prepared into a mixture called "Peabanche" (Credit to George Allen and Nurse Billie, RN of CANCER-L) is the best cancer cure since er well… Hulda Clark. So will you surely try Peabanche if you get cancer?  After all, I say it cures 110% of all cancers including the ones that haven’t even happened yet! What? You say you wouldn’t because there is no *evidence* that my claims have any basis in fact? Aha! That means you think you should look at the *evidence*! But in this thread, no one has disputed that Hulda Clark’s cases are "ridiculous"  - no one then has disputed that the evidence for Clark’s treatment is scanty at best and more likely entirely nugatory. So now I ask again – why would you try Hulda’s treatments if you had cancer? Wouldn’t it make more sense to search for something that does have evidence?                 -Steve "It’s the data, stupid!" Dunn

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e You are right. Her cases are ridiculous. e But if you have inoperable cancer and doctors have given up on you e would you not try anything to get better? e Or after the operation, to prevent recurrence? e On the off-chance that it does something? e It is not like going to Mexico and spending thousands of $ e in a quack clinic. The cost is almost nil, there is no side-effects. e What do you have to lose when you are desperate – nothing, e in this case not even money. Why not give it a try? e Who knows what positive results (from placebo effect?) you can get? e e I hope to stir some REAL discussion. e Cheers, e Eva Cures come in all shapes and sizes.  You never know which one will work for you.  I once heard of a kid with cancer who envisioned a video game, him being in a ship shooting at the enemy flying around.  I don’t know if he intentionally pictured the cancer as the enemy in the ships or was just a kid envisioning a shoot-em-up game.  But one day he went looking for the enemy and couldn’t find any, and when tested, his cancer was gone.  I’ve heard of other stories in this vein.  I’ve been involved in metaphysics for 14 years and I know that the mind is very very powerful. Even a doctor will tell you that five patients can come in with the same problem, and require five DIFFERENT treatments.  We are not all affected the same.  For example, coffee does not keep me awake.  I can drink coffee and go immediately to bed.  Does not make me nervous either.   If Hulda’s treatments are not harmful (I don’t know if they are or not, I’d like to hear about this one), and I had cancer, I surely would try them. – sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).

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Speaking of Hulda and her parasite treatment, I keep hearing people say how you get worse before you get better.  What does that mean?  Worse in what way? -don’t read this-

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