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What has that to do with anything?

If somebody had painted a spot on Paul’s forehead while he was sleeping, would he rub the spot once he saw himself in a mirror? — David Canzi

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What has that to do with anything? I hate that UFO nonsense. It is even more insane than ‘AIDS’ and that is saying something. Seem we are entering a new Dark Age of mumbo jumbo and myths. "Pass me a leach".

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New members of DAG and AME (MSN forums) just today – Monday. Aids Myth Exposed – 8 Dissident Action Group- Main forum – 2 Dag groups (all) – 6 These are only two of hundreds of dissident groups and forums and they grew by 14 members on a single Monday alone.

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snip In addition there were 14 others who have added their signatures in July 1991. By March 1993 the following persons had added their signatories:

And by 2004? That’s the problem with these lists. They’re like you, Paulie, dearest. You need a toilet-paper wrapped Q-Tip to cleanse the ears cause you is SO full of shit….

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 it is just a list! i agree.  but fact is from amerika  till australia many respectable scientist agree there is a missing link in hiv/aids.

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Surprising how few sign up to this drivel nowadays – I guess you can’t stay in denial for ever. Why don’t you remove all those who have died from AIDS from your list of has-been scientists and journalists and denialists – (eg Michael Callen, author of "Surviving AIDS")!

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"Surprising how few sign up to this drivel nowadays" Oh really? I count an average of five a day. More than EVER.

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I fully understand how upsetting our mass support must be to you. Sorry.

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Oh really? I count an average of five a day. More than EVER.

"Mystery ‘Fireballs’ A Trail-Object Connection?" By Brenda Livingston http://tracers.8m.com 12-12-4 With more people now capable of gathering more data about the mysterious objects and strange contrails and material filling our skies, intriguing new information is now surfacing… In our atmosphere, dark/colorful objects surrounding what appears to be white spheroidal shaped material move out of some types of persistent contrails (PCs) or "chemtrails". These mysterious objects appear to glow and produce intense flashes of light (heat) at times both day and night. Polymer or "angel hair" falls also occur with some frequency –consisting of long strands of silk-like material moving through the atmosphere and descending to earth. (see http://tracers.8m.com/ahair.htm). These falls are often accompanied by the PC-related objects over the same areas. These atmospheric phenomena have found their place in the halls of the "unexplained" for decadesyet new data is shedding some light on these enigmas. Although lab analyses of some polymer falls (http://tracers.8m.com/ah.htm) have been fascinating and have provided clues to these atmospheric mysteries — one of the most fascinating and potentially revealing sky phenomena are the large and intensely bright "fireball-like" spherical objects moving horizontally across our skies. On rare occasions, these bright objects result in air or ground explosions and unusual fires and residueproviding an opportunity to test samples. Through analysis of stunning and revealing new videos, photographs and witness reports–there now may be evidence that suggests a possible link between these most unusual fireballs (non-meteoric events) and the PC-related objects. Although no conclusions can be reached at this time, there certainly appear to be some intriguing connections that require further exploration. Potential connections between unusually bright, colorful horizontal path "fireballs" and PC-related "combo" objects seen and videotaped include the following: The PC-related objects: (a) possess similar characteristics of shape and size to the unusual "fireballs" (i.e., larger variety of "combos" with multiple dark objects); (b) appear to create low altitude daytime horizontal trails which are a characteristic of daylight fireballs; ( c) have similar colors to reported "fireballs" as they appear at night (i.e., glowing "combos" at night with colors of green, orange, red, blue, purple, etc..; and (d) are likely composed of or contain chemicals and materials which could produce bright intense flashes of light similar to that witnessed with some unusual "fireballs". Excellent photographs taken during daylight may also illustrate the transition of a large "combo" (whiter material surrounded by multiple dark objects) into a ‘fiery ball. Persistent contrails and smaller dark/white "combos" have also been witnessed near rolling "fireballs" Strange "Fireballs" To examine this possibility more closely"we need to take a closer look at any available witness reports and documentation regarding unusual "fireball" events. (see http://tracers.8m.com/fireballs.htm for photographs of a variety of fireballs) Fireball events have been witnessed during both the daylight and night time hours"but are more frequently seen at night and are described as a larger and brighter version of normal meteoric events. According to the American Meteorological Society, meteors are usually split second events as a small rock collides with the atmosphere and burns up quickly high in the atmosphere appearing as a small white light in the night sky followed by a long tail of sparks (known as a ’shooting star’) lasting a split second to a second. Occasionally, this small chunk of space debris does not disintegrate completely and when it reaches approximately 50,000 feet or a bit lower, what is left (a meteorite) then falls to the ground at ambient temperature. At times, a bolide may explode high in the atmosphere splitting into several pieces"all of which fall as ambient temperature meteorites producing no fires or ground explosions. Often witnesses report hearing an explosion overhead (with a bolide hitting the atmosphere) and others may hear a hissing or whistle-like sound as the meteorite whizzes by before striking the ground. The angle of trajectory is at from 20 to 40 degrees not horizontal or following the curve of the earth. What is significant about particular "fireball-like" sightings is that these do not follow the characteristics of normal meteors. The unusual "fireballs" in question are very bright and large; traverse the skies in a horizontal pathsome reportedly stopping, hovering, or reversing course. Many move at low altitude (2,000 to 50,000 feet) without a sound"some roaring like a gas torch– and all displaying colors not seen in meteor falls (many green, red or blue-white). Most intriguing is that these "Special Fireballs" (like Spheres, "Foo-Fighters "Angel Hair" or Polymer Falls, and Ice Falls) have been reported over a span of many years the most infamous reports gathered by the military in 1948. These unusual ‘fireball-like" objects certainly appear to have been occupying our skies for decades or longer with relatively little harm or damage on the ground or to any aircraft (yet reported) with ground events being few and far between. Because current reports and studies conducted by the military or the scientific community are not readily available to the public at this time– the following reports are of interest and may provide some valuable clues to present events. Green Fireballs A plethora of very unusual fireball reports were presented in a transcript taken from a conference on "Aerial Phenomena" sponsored by the 4th Army (along with the Air Force and FBI) at the Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory (now LANL) in 1949. Reportedly in attendance were Dr. Lincoln LaPaz of the U niversity of New Mexico and Edward Teller. The discussion focused on the multiple sightings of "green fireballs" near nuclear and military facilities in the U.S. and in particular those spotted in the skies over Los Alamos. Dr. LaPaz had an opportunity to personally witness a bright green fireball on the evening of December 12 and presented his findings of this sighting and reports of similar events. He was convinced that these fireballs were not meteors and concerned that they might be artificially constructed. All were concerned that these could be a weapon system of some sort. What distinguished these fireballs were their large intense light, unusual color, long horizontal path, no long tail of sparks, low altitude, lack of sound in most cases and explosion and fragmentation without a finding of meteorites on the ground. In the discussion between LaPaz and Teller, the fact that these fireballs did follow the curvature of the earth for such a long distance convinced both that these objects were propelled forward by a type of internal energy source. Although LaPaz was most impressed with the specific color of green for these fireballs, sighting reports of a fireball that traveled from New Mexico into Texas (a 143 mile journey) mentioned that this fireball was green at one point.. then red, blue and even purple at other points along its path. And although total silence accompanied most of these fireballs"several witnesses reported hearing what sounded like a gasoline blowtorch rumbling overhead at the time. "Bright Skies" in Australia This particular roaring sound also accompanied large intensely bright fireballs sighted across Australia during the 1990’s.as reported in the findings of a geologist Harry Mason in his article "Bright Skies" (1997). Mason provides a most revealing study and survey of more current horizontal path fireball-like objects rolling across the skies of Australia. Mason was contracted to study seismic activity in the Eastern goldfields of Banjawarn in 1993 which led to multiple interviews of witnesses to extraordinary fireball events. An intense fireball was witnessed over this area at 11 pm over May 28, 1993 which was followed by a seismic activity reading of 3.9. (No seismic activity had ever been recorded in this area previously). Very unusual destruction was seen at the Alycia mine with 3 inch pipes severed underground. The fireball reported in this incident was orange-red in color with a short conical tail traveling slow on a horizontal path at about 1,000 to 2,000 feet above the ground. This fireball followed a "250 km trajectory and ended in a high energy burst of blue-white light seen from 100 km all around the site." Other reports of ‘fireball-like’ objects over Australia during the 1990’s were accompanied by a loud roar with no sound during the air explosions that followed And no meteorites were ever found on the ground during searches after these events. Mason continued to gather fireball reports and data up to 1998 and provides the following brief assessment of his findings for all Australian states. These unusual fireballs had the following characteristics: *low altitude horizontal path *small conical tails *no fragment drop off or meteorites found *velocity less than sound (no sonic booms) *sudden change in course reported *increase in speed or dead stop and hover or reverse path *some change to vertical path moving upwards toward space *intense vibration of ground and housing during a passover *explode over horizon in massive blue-white arcing light displays *sudden intense high altitude light flashes *power generator over-voltage outages and other electrical effects These characteristics hardly meet the criteria for meteor or bolide event or falling space debris but it does match some of the activities and characteristics of the PC-related objects. One important fireball report from the Tom Price area in Australia contains a most graphic … read more »

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Charles A. Thomas, Jr. Ph.D. (Mol. Biologist, Pres. Helicon Fnd., San Diego, CA) *       Harvey Bialy, Ph.D. (Editor Bio/Technology, New York, NY) *       Harry Rubin, D.V.M. (Prof. Cell Biology, Univ. Cal. Berkeley, CA) *       Richard C. Strohman, Ph.D. (Prof. Cell Biology, Univ. Cal. Berkeley, CA) *       Phillip E. Johnson (Prof. Law, Univ. Cal. Berkeley, CA) *       Gordon J. Edlin, Ph.D. (Prof. Biochem. & Physics, Univ. Hawaii, HI) *       Beverly E. Griffin, Ph.D. (Dir. Dept. Virology, Royal Postgrad. Med. School, London, UK) *       Robert S. Root-Bernstein (Prof. Physiology, Michigan State Univ., East Lansing, MI) *       Gordon Stewart, M.D. (Emeritus Prof. Public Health, Epidemiologist, Isle of Wight, UK) *       Carlos Sonnenschein, M.D. (Tufts Univ., Medicine, Boston, MA) *       Richard L. Pitter, Ph.D. (Dessert Research Inst., Univ. Nevada System, Reno NV) *       Nathaniel S. Lehrman, M.D. (Psychiatrist, Roslyn, NY) *       John Lauritsen (Author ‘Poison by Prescription’, New York, NY) *       William Holub, Ph.D. (Biochemist, Live Sciences Inst. New York, NY) *       Claudia Holub, Ph.D. (Biochemist, Live Sciences Inst. New York, NY) *       Frank R. Buianouckas Ph.D. (Prof. Mathematics, Cuny, Bronx, NY) *       Philip Rosen, Ph.D. (Prof. Physics, Univ. Mass. Amherst, MA) *       Steven Jonas, M.D. (Prof. Preventive Medicine, Suny Stony Brook, NY) *       Bernard K. Forscher, Ph.D (Ret. Editor Proc. Nat. Acad. Sci., Santa Fe, NM) *       Kary B. Mullis, Ph.D. (Biochemist, PCR inventor, Consultant, La Jolla, CA.) *       Jeffrey A. Fisher, M.D. (Pathologist, Mendham, NJ) *       Hansueli Albonico, M.D. (General Practitioner, Langnau, Switzerland) *       Robert Hoffman, Ph.D. (Prof. Dept. Pediatrics Univ. Cal. Med. School, San Diego, CA) *       Timothy H. Hand, Ph.D. (Dept. Psychology, Oglethorpe Univ. Atlanta, GA) *       Eleni Eleopulos, M.D. (Royal Perth Hospital, Perth, West Australia) *       Robert W. Maver, F.S.A., M.A.A. (Dir. Research, Mutual Benefit Life, Kansas City, MO) *       Ken N. Matsumura, M.D. (Chairman Alin Foundation & Research Inst., Berkeley, CA.) *       David T. Berner, M.D. (Condon, MT) *       Theodor Wieland, Ph.D. (Max Planck Institut, Heidelberg, Germany) *       Joan Shenton, M.A. (Meditel, London, UK) *       John Anthony Morris, Ph.D. (Biochemist, Bell of Atari College Park, MD) *       Sungchul Ji, Ph.D. (Prof. Pharmacology & Toxicology, Rutgers Univ., Piscataway, NJ) In addition there were 14 others who have added their signatures in July 1991. By March 1993 the following persons had added their signatories: *       Vahagn Agbabian, D.O. (Pontiac, MI) *       Barry R. Alexavich (Cell Biologist, Bristol, CT) *       David T. Berner, M.D. (Condon, MT) *       Shelly B. Blam, Ph.D. (Alameda, CA) *       Lawrence Bradford, Ph.D. (Benedictine College, Atchison, KS) *       Carl Bradford, J.D. (San Diego, CA) *       Michael Callen (Author ‘Surviving AIDS’, Hollywood, CA) *       Melinda Calleira (Pres. Amer. Ass. Science & Public Policy, Los Angeles, CA) *       Hiram Caton, Ph.D. (Prof. App. Ethics, Griffith Univ., Brisbane, Australia) *       Dennis Chaney, Ph.D. (Chaney Scientific Inc. Burlingame, CA) *       Michelle Cochrane (Emeryville, CA) *       Hywel Davies, M.D. (Cardiologist, Pueblo West, CO) *       Marlowe Dittlebrandt, M.D. (Portland, OR) *       Peter H. Duesberg, Ph.D. (Prof. Mol. Biology, Univ. Cal. Berkeley, CA) *       Bryan J. Ellison (Author, Berkeley, CA) *       Michael Ellner (HEAL, New York, NY) *       Fabio Franchi, M.D. (Trieste, Italy) *       Trish Fahey (New York, NY) *       Celia Farber (Writer, New York, NY) *       Lawrence A. Falk, Jr., Ph.D. (Virologist Abott Labs, Consultant NCI, Chicago, IL) *       James A. Fimea, Ph.D. (Laguna Beach, CA) *       Harry Flynn, (Author, Hollywood, CA) *       William L. Gardner, Ph.D. (Wellesley, MA) *       Arnold W. Giddens (Shingle Springs, CA) *       Robert Grabowski (Birminghan, MI) *       Martin Haas, Ph.D. (Dept. Biology Cancer Center, Univ. Cal., San Diego, CA) *       Alfred Haessig, M.D. (Emeritus Prof. Immunolgy Univ. Bern, Switzerland) *       Urs Haldimann (Editor, Swiss Ass. Science Writers, Arisdorf, Switzerland) *       Neville Hodgkinson (Science Correspondent The Sunday Times, London, UK) *       John Holmdahl, Ph.D. (Los Angeles, CA) *       Ross Horne (Montville, Queensland, Austalia) *       Heinrich Kremer, M.D. (Mueckenburg, Germany) *       Hans J. Kugler, Ph.D. (Editor Prev. Med. Update, Redondo Beach, CA) *       Robert Laarhoven (S.A.A.O., Hilversum, The Netherlands) *       Paul Lineback, M.S. (Eastern Oregon State College) *       Henk Loman, Ph.D. (Prof. Biophysics, Free Univ. Amsterdam, The Netherlands) *       Judith Lopez (San Francisco, CA) *       Maurizio Luca-Moretti, Ph.D. (InterAmerican Medical Health Ass., Boca Raton, FL) *       William H. McIlhany, I.R.F. (Beverly Hills, CA) *       Peter McKeever, L.L.B. (London, UK) *       Michael D. Mellgard (Los Angeles, CA) *       David Mertz (Dept. Philosophy, Univ. Massachusetts, Amherst) *       Richard Mitchell, Ph.D. (Assoc. Prof. Sociology, Oregon State Univ, Corvalus, OR) *       Joseph E. Morrow, Ph.D. (Cal. State Univ. Sacramento, CA) *       Cindy Orser (Ast. Prof. Bacteriology, Univ. Idaho, Moscow, ID) *       Hannes G. Pauli, M.D. (Former Director Bern Univ. Med. Faculty, Bern, Switzerland) *       Paul Rabinow, Ph.D. (Prof. Dept. Anthropology Univ. Cal., Berkeley, CA) *       Jon Rappoport (Author ‘AIDS Inc.’) *       Dennis D. Rathman (Staff Member Lincoln Labs, Lexington, MA) *       Rodney M. Richards, Ph.D. (Amgen Inc., Thousand Oaks, CA) *       Judith Riesman, Ph.D. (Author, Arlington, VA) *       Michael Ristow, Ph.D. (Bochum, Germany) *       Mel T. Roach (Avatar Research, Tuscon, AZ) *       Gary Robertson (Broadbeach Waters, Queensland, Australia) *       Frank Rothschild (Project Dir., Berkeley Project on Bioscience & Society, CA) *       David F. Salehi, Ph.D. (Lake Dallas, TX) *       Caspar Schmidt, M.D. (Psychiatrist, New York) *       Russell Schoch (Editor California Monthly, Berkeley, CA) *       Frederic I. Scott, Jr. (Editor American Clinical Laboratory, Baltimore, MD) *       Udo Schuklenk (Dept. Ethics, Monash Univ., Melbourne, Australia) *       Jeremy F. Selvey (Los Angeles, CA) *       David Shugar, Ph.D. (Prof. Biophysics, Univ. Warsaw, Editor Pharmacol. Therap., Poland) *       Sonja Silva (Los Lunas, NM) *       Ernest G. Silver, Ph.D. (Radiation Biologist, Oak Ridge, TN) *       Lockie M. Swengel (Del Mar, CA) *       Frederick Tobin, Ph.D. (Gorke, Australia) *       Jack True (Clayton, GA) *       La Trombetta (Burzynski Research Inst., Houston, TX) *       Friedrich Ulmer, Ph.D. (Prof. Math. & Stat., Bergische Univ., Wuppertal, Germany) *       Michael Verney-Elliot (Meditel, London, UK) *       Darrell G. Wells, Ph.D. (Emeritus Prof. Plant Sciences, Brookings, SD) *       Wai Yeung, M.D. (Orinda, CA) By September 1993 the following persons had added their signatories: *       Jeanette S. Abel M.D. (Portland, OR) *       Jad Adams, M.A. (Author ‘AIDS; The HIV Myth,’ London, UK) *       Patricia Akeman, R.N. (Goleta, CA) *       John B. Andelin, M.D. (Mercy Hospital, Williston, ND) *       Mark Anderson, D.C. (Orlando, FL) *       James C. Baker, Ph.D. (Santa Rosa, CA) *       Andrew A. Benson, Ph.D. (La Jolla, CA) *       Richard M.A. Berger, DDS (Berkeley, CA) *       Robert W. Birge, Ph.D. (Berkeley, CA) *       John S. Blankfort, DDS (San Francisco, CA) *       Dorothy L. Bosworth, Ph.D. (Carlsbad, CA) *       Tucker Brawner, DPM (Savannah, GA) *       Brian E. Briggs, M.D. (Minot, ND) *       Douglas W. Brown, M.D. (Portland, ME) *       John B. Burgin, DDS (Crowley, LA) *       Susan E. Caliri, DDS (Berkeley, CA) *       Ivor Catt, M.A. (St. Albans, UK) *       Asit K. Chakraborty, Ph.D. (Omaha, NE) *       Jack G. Chamberlain, Ph.D. (Berkeley, CA) *       Colleen Cook, R.N. (Wilmington, DE) *       Daniel J. Corson, MFA (Seattle, WA) *       J. Mark Cox, DDS (Midland, TX) *       Etienne De Harven, M.D. (St. Cezaire sur Siagne, France) *       Richard W. DeLisle D.C. (Leominster, MA) *       James DeMeo Ph.D. (El Cerrito, CA) *       Thomas A. Dorman, M.D. (San Luis Obispo, CA) *       Mohammad Entezampour, Ph.D. (Dept. Biology Univ. North Texas, Denton, TX) *       Rafael Escribano, Ph.D. (Dept. Span.& Port. Univ. Cal. Riverside, TX) *       Sami E. Fathalla, M.D., Ph.D. (Damman, Saudi Arabia) *       Richard A. Fisher (Inter. Acad. Oral Med. & Toxicol., Annandale, VA) *       Scott D. Flamm, M.D. (San Francisco, CA) *       Michael R. Fox Ph.D. (Richland, WA) *       Donato Fumarola, M.D. (Inst. Microbiolia Medica, Bari, Italy) *       Charles L. Geshekter, Ph.D. (Dept. History, Cal. State Univ, Chico, CA) *       Todd Gestaldo, D.C. (Sunnyvale, CA) *       Edward S. Golub, Ph.D. (Pacific Center for Ethics & App. Biol., Solana Beach, CA) *       John Hardie, BDS (Dept. Dentistry Vancouver General Hospital, British Columbia, Canada) *       Robert J. Henderson, D.C. (Locust Valley, NY) *       Charles A. Hill, M.D. (Houston, TX) *       Charles Hoff, Ph.D. (Univ. South. Alabama, AL) *       Mark E. Jarmel, D.C. (Santa Monica, CA) *       Anne Marie Jeay, Ph.D. (Univ. Nancy II, France) *       Jens Jerndal M.D. (Lanzarote, Spain) *       Donald J. Johnson, DDS (Coeur d’Alene, ID) *       William H. Jordan Jr, Ph.D. (Culver City, CA) *       Dennis G. Kinnane, DOM (Torrence, CA) *       Claus Kohnlein, M.D. (Kiel, Germany) *       Stefan T.J. Lanka, Ph.D. (Radolfzell, Germany) *       Barry A. Liebling, Ph.D. (New York, NY) *       Michel Lobrot, Ph.D. (Univ. Paris VIII, Les Lilas, France) *       Howard C. Mel, Ph.D. (Berkeley, CA) *       Th. H.L. Michiels, M.D. (Vinkeveen, The Netherlands) *       James W. Miller, M.D. (San Leandro, CA) *       R. Munck, M.D. (Ceret, France) *       Cindy Nelson, M.A. (San Francisco, CA) *       Raymond W. Novaco, M.D. (Prof. Psychology & Soc. Behavior, Univ. Cal., Irvine, CA) *       Sam Okware, M.D. (Ministry of Health, Entebbe, Uganda) *       David J. Orman, M.Sc. (San Diego, CA) *       George N. Pasto, M.D. (Portland, OR) *       M. Dennis Paul, MscM (Amherst, NH) *       Jack Perrine, Ph.D. (Pasadena, CA) *       John L. Philp, M.D., MPH (Stockton, CA) *       Peter W. Plumley, FSA (Chicago, IL) *       Ronald F. Price, Ph.D. (La Trobe Univ., Bundoora, Victoria, Australia) *       David W. Rasnick, Ph.D. (Alameda, CA) *       Richard A. Ratner, M.D. (Bethesda, MD) *       Rogers Reddings, Ph.D. (Univ. North Texas, Denton, TX) *       Stephen J. Repitor, DPM (Oak Park, MI) *       Douglas Roise, M.D. (St. Joseph’s Hospital, Dickenson, ND) *       Steven Roman, Ph.D. (San Diego, CA) *       Cristobal A.P. Sandoval, M.D. (Cuba) *       Alex Santoro, M.A. (Kansas City, MO) * … read more »

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