Talk Cancer

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I’m not sure drugged time is much of a gain. Zsarnok – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Humans aren’t objects.  Their lives are their own, and they can do whatever they want with it. It’s a scary state of affairs when a supposedly reputable news sources publishes an article that cites a researcher who calls someone a psychopath for being in favour of euthanasia. I mean, I agree that Tyaginator is moron and a crazy (like from Gymkata), but thinking that people should be able to end their own lives isn’t very silly.  Especially since without tips, they’ll probably end up trying and failing numerous times before getting it right. This reminds me of a documentorer called, "Doctor Death" if memory serves. The people he put out their mysery were suffering and willing to die. — S You are talking about Dr. Jack Kevorkian. And they apparently have chosen to ignore the fact that there is considerable difference between euthanasia to end suffering from a terminal illness and suicide because of depression. A terminal illness which is managed without pain is also rather different from one which isn’t. One of the arguments against the Dutch system, where euthanasia is decriminalised, is that it takes the focus away from palliative care. Jani

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Humans aren’t objects.  Their lives are their own, and they can do whatever they want with it. It’s a scary state of affairs when a supposedly reputable news sources publishes an article that cites a researcher who calls someone a psychopath for being in favour of euthanasia. I mean, I agree that Tyaginator is moron and a crazy (like from Gymkata), but thinking that people should be able to end their own lives isn’t very silly.  Especially since without tips, they’ll probably end up trying and failing numerous times before getting it right. This reminds me of a documentorer called, "Doctor Death" if memory serves. The people he put out their mysery were suffering and willing to die. — S You are talking about Dr. Jack Kevorkian. And they apparently have chosen to ignore the fact that there is considerable difference between euthanasia to end suffering from a terminal illness and suicide because of depression.

Like anything, that depends on circumstances.  Are you talking about debilitating depression which is minimally treatable, if at all, and is chronic, or situational depression, which will pass? If there is no reasonable hope to cure or effectively treat your depression, and the depression makes your life a misery, then wouldn’t suicide be reasonable?  If you’ve lost your job and your car, well it’s a stupid response.  Darwin Award stupid, which may be better for the gene pool. I’m not trying to be harsh or trying to make a joke of it.  If you can’t cope, you can’t cope.  Is there a moral justification to enforce suffering?  If not, then is enforced suffering only prohibited when the pain is physical?  Are only the intelligent to be allowed to commit suicide? Zsarnok

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Humans aren’t objects.  Their lives are their own, and they can do whatever they want with it. It’s a scary state of affairs when a supposedly reputable news sources publishes an article that cites a researcher who calls someone a psychopath for being in favour of euthanasia. I mean, I agree that Tyaginator is moron and a crazy (like from Gymkata), but thinking that people should be able to end their own lives isn’t very silly.  Especially since without tips, they’ll probably end up trying and failing numerous times before getting it right. This reminds me of a documentorer called, "Doctor Death" if memory serves. The people he put out their mysery were suffering and willing to die. — S You are talking about Dr. Jack Kevorkian. And they apparently have chosen to ignore the fact that there is considerable difference between euthanasia to end suffering from a terminal illness and suicide because of depression. Zactly. In fact, I agree with the right to choose so much that I’ve made my wishes known- if I were to suffer a severe terminal illness, I do not want to be kept artificially alive either. Since our government thinks we cannot make the decision to end our own suffering for ourselves, I’ve made the second best choice. After watching my friend Judy wither away to an empty, pain filled shell from brain cancer, I made up my mind.

Yeah….. My stepmom in law’s mother died after a several years of steadily degrading health and mental functions; she was a veggie by the end, but the ‘end’ took over a year to finally end. Not wanting to stick my kids in the position my MIL was in,  I told the family if I ever get that way, put a goddamn pillow over my face or drug me up a morphine cocktail, SOMEthing! =p – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Humans aren’t objects.  Their lives are their own, and they can do whatever they want with it. It’s a scary state of affairs when a supposedly reputable news sources publishes an article that cites a researcher who calls someone a psychopath for being in favour of euthanasia. I mean, I agree that Tyaginator is moron and a crazy (like from Gymkata), but thinking that people should be able to end their own lives isn’t very silly.  Especially since without tips, they’ll probably end up trying and failing numerous times before getting it right. This reminds me of a documentorer called, "Doctor Death" if memory serves. The people he put out their mysery were suffering and willing to die. — S You are talking about Dr. Jack Kevorkian. And they apparently have chosen to ignore the fact that there is considerable difference between euthanasia to end suffering from a terminal illness and suicide because of depression. A terminal illness which is managed without pain is also rather different from one which isn’t. One of the arguments against the Dutch system, where euthanasia is decriminalised, is that it takes the focus away from palliative care.

And I can see that happening. "Oh, Grammaw’s not gonna get any better, and she DOES have her will in order……"  O_O It’s a very slippery topic.  I still have to disagree with making criminals of and sending to jail people who were honestly trying to do a kindness. Also, in the shitty US un – healrthcare system, indigent terminally ill people are left to suffer. BUT –That’s a HUGE diff, still, from someone encouraging another to end it all because their lover left them, or their job sucks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jani

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Very simple explanation. In law (in the UK at least), suicide is classed as an unlawful death – i.e. illegal. An institution such as the BBC cannot be seen to not condemn illegal activity. Whoa!  That’s crazy.  News media is pro-marijuana all the time in Canada. Along with many other illegal activities.

The BBC is not a private company, they get their funding from government via TV license fees that everyone has to pay by law. This setup affects how and what they broadcast, which 95% of the time is excellent, but the news & current affairs programs are always under a spotlight. Also, from a moral point of view, they also tend to go with the status-quo, which is that the ‘perceived majority’ are supposed to frown upon things like suicide. So it’s a political thing. I wish I had an angry face. ;_;

Well, so long as you understand that the BBC news & current affairs stuff is only ’spun’ in that direction for the purposes of appearence, it don’t seem so bad. golwg Matthew

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | Very simple explanation. | | In law (in the UK at least), suicide is classed as an unlawful death – i.e. | illegal. | An institution such as the BBC cannot be seen to not condemn illegal | activity. | Also, from a moral point of view, they also tend to go with the status-quo, | which is that the ‘perceived majority’ are supposed to frown upon things | like suicide. | So it’s a political thing. So why do you British allow the Hemlock Society to exist?

The BBC doesn’t run the country. Even when we Brits ‘frown upon’ something, we will still tolerate it’s existence – something to do with our acceptance of freedom of choice and freedom of expression. golwg Matthew

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wish I had an angry face. ;_; :-/

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Humans aren’t objects.  Their lives are their own, and they can do whatever they want with it. It’s a scary state of affairs when a supposedly reputable news sources publishes an article that cites a researcher who calls someone a psychopath for being in favour of euthanasia. I mean, I agree that Tyaginator is moron and a crazy (like from Gymkata), but thinking that people should be able to end their own lives isn’t very silly.  Especially since without tips, they’ll probably end up trying and failing numerous times before getting it right.

This reminds me of a documentorer called, "Doctor Death" if memory serves. The people he put out their mysery were suffering and willing to die. — S — I live my life like I play games, I cheat. – Trolls are your enemies, wipe them out. http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/antitrollfaqhtm.htm –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Humans aren’t objects.  Their lives are their own, and they can do whatever they want with it. It’s a scary state of affairs when a supposedly reputable news sources publishes an article that cites a researcher who calls someone a psychopath for being in favour of euthanasia. I mean, I agree that Tyaginator is moron and a crazy (like from Gymkata), but thinking that people should be able to end their own lives isn’t very silly.  Especially since without tips, they’ll probably end up trying and failing numerous times before getting it right. This reminds me of a documentorer called, "Doctor Death" if memory serves. The people he put out their mysery were suffering and willing to die. — S

You are talking about Dr. Jack Kevorkian.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Very simple explanation. In law (in the UK at least), suicide is classed as an unlawful death – i.e. illegal. An institution such as the BBC cannot be seen to not condemn illegal activity. Whoa!  That’s crazy.  News media is pro-marijuana all the time in Canada. Along with many other illegal activities. The BBC is not a private company, they get their funding from government via TV license fees that everyone has to pay by law. This setup affects how and what they broadcast, which 95% of the time is excellent, but the news & current affairs programs are always under a spotlight.

The CBC is partially funded by the public too, but it’s not like that at all. In the UK gay marriages are illegal, aren’t they?  Does the BBC come out against gay marriages? Also, from a moral point of view, they also tend to go with the status-quo, which is that the ‘perceived majority’ are supposed to frown upon things like suicide. So it’s a political thing. I wish I had an angry face. ;_; Well, so long as you understand that the BBC news & current affairs stuff is only ’spun’ in that direction for the purposes of appearence, it don’t seem so bad.

I thought that they were supposed to be a reputable news source. Now they seem considerably less so.

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I wish I had an angry face. ;_; :-/

That’s a ‘this man has a very crooked penis’ face.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Humans aren’t objects.  Their lives are their own, and they can do whatever they want with it. It’s a scary state of affairs when a supposedly reputable news sources publishes an article that cites a researcher who calls someone a psychopath for being in favour of euthanasia. I mean, I agree that Tyaginator is moron and a crazy (like from Gymkata), but thinking that people should be able to end their own lives isn’t very silly.  Especially since without tips, they’ll probably end up trying and failing numerous times before getting it right. This reminds me of a documentorer called, "Doctor Death" if memory serves. The people he put out their mysery were suffering and willing to die. — S You are talking about Dr. Jack Kevorkian.

And they apparently have chosen to ignore the fact that there is considerable difference between euthanasia to end suffering from a terminal illness and suicide because of depression. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Humans aren’t objects.  Their lives are their own, and they can do whatever they want with it. It’s a scary state of affairs when a supposedly reputable news sources publishes an article that cites a researcher who calls someone a psychopath for being in favour of euthanasia. I mean, I agree that Tyaginator is moron and a crazy (like from Gymkata), but thinking that people should be able to end their own lives isn’t very silly.  Especially since without tips, they’ll probably end up trying and failing numerous times before getting it right. This reminds me of a documentorer called, "Doctor Death" if memory serves. The people he put out their mysery were suffering and willing to die. — S You are talking about Dr. Jack Kevorkian. And they apparently have chosen to ignore the fact that there is considerable difference between euthanasia to end suffering from a terminal illness and suicide because of depression.

A terminal illness which is managed without pain is also rather different from one which isn’t. One of the arguments against the Dutch system, where euthanasia is decriminalised, is that it takes the focus away from palliative care. Jani

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Humans aren’t objects.  Their lives are their own, and they can do whatever they want with it. It’s a scary state of affairs when a supposedly reputable news sources publishes an article that cites a researcher who calls someone a psychopath for being in favour of euthanasia. I mean, I agree that Tyaginator is moron and a crazy (like from Gymkata), but thinking that people should be able to end their own lives isn’t very silly.  Especially since without tips, they’ll probably end up trying and failing numerous times before getting it right. This reminds me of a documentorer called, "Doctor Death" if memory serves. The people he put out their mysery were suffering and willing to die. — S You are talking about Dr. Jack Kevorkian. And they apparently have chosen to ignore the fact that there is considerable difference between euthanasia to end suffering from a terminal illness and suicide because of depression.

Zactly. In fact, I agree with the right to choose so much that I’ve made my wishes known- if I were to suffer a severe terminal illness, I do not want to be kept artificially alive either. Since our government thinks we cannot make the decision to end our own suffering for ourselves, I’ve made the second best choice. After watching my friend Judy wither away to an empty, pain filled shell from brain cancer, I made up my mind.

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This reminds me of a documentorer called, "Doctor Death" if memory serves. The people he put out their mysery were suffering and willing to die. — S You are talking about Dr. Jack Kevorkian.

Could be. I forgoet his real name. I recall he finally got arrested. Pity really. BTW, Angie, I’ve made you an appointment for Tuesday at 2:00. Don’t be late

Ww he still operates in prison? good for him. — S — I live my life like I play games, I cheat. – Trolls are your enemies, wipe them out. http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/antitrollfaqhtm.htm –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Humans aren’t objects.  Their lives are their own, and they can do whatever they want with it. It’s a scary state of affairs when a supposedly reputable news sources publishes an article that cites a researcher who calls someone a psychopath for being in favour of euthanasia. I mean, I agree that Tyaginator is moron and a crazy (like from Gymkata), but thinking that people should be able to end their own lives isn’t very silly.  Especially since without tips, they’ll probably end up trying and failing numerous times before getting it right. While I agree with Euthanasia as a choice for an individual, I find what Nagasiva did, such as wandering into depression groups, and posting to children with problems that can be solved much easier without suicide, not only posting methods, but telling them they should be killing themselves, to be disgusting. He doesn’t stick to the suicidal, he actively tries to convince other people they should kill themselves. I don’t really like Nagasiva, so all’s ok.  Just so that suicide is ok if the people actually want it.

And, if they’ve already considered all the other options. If someone is in permanent pain, for example, they might well change their mind about suicide if there was effective pain management available. Jani

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Very simple explanation. In law (in the UK at least), suicide is classed as an unlawful death – i.e. illegal. An institution such as the BBC cannot be seen to not condemn illegal activity. Also, from a moral point of view, they also tend to go with the status-quo, which is that the ‘perceived majority’ are supposed to frown upon things like suicide. So it’s a political thing. golwg Matthew

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Humans aren’t objects.  Their lives are their own, and they can do whatever they want with it. It’s a scary state of affairs when a supposedly reputable news sources publishes an article that cites a researcher who calls someone a psychopath for being in favour of euthanasia. I mean, I agree that Tyaginator is moron and a crazy (like from Gymkata), but thinking that people should be able to end their own lives isn’t very silly.  Especially since without tips, they’ll probably end up trying and failing numerous times before getting it right. I agree with you almost completely except for these few things: Nagasiva Yronwode helped convince a 16 year old boy, a CHILD, to kill himself. I’m sorry, but that is just sick. I will not mention the sexual part of this regarding Siva out of respect for the boy.

I’ve never considered a 16 year old a child.  I find our whole coming of age system to be quite silly in a lot of respects, where rights are staggered for a lot of very strange reasons (apparently voting is more dangerous than sex and driving, in Canada). But we’ve had that talk before. I do believe that people should have the right when to end their life, if they are of sound mind. We do not need psychos like Siva, who are nechrophiliacs, and get sexually excited by death, encouraging people who are not of sound mind, and may be mentally unstable.

As for necrophilia, well, Nagasiva is like a smelly bean fart, so there’s that.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Humans aren’t objects.  Their lives are their own, and they can do whatever they want with it. It’s a scary state of affairs when a supposedly reputable news sources publishes an article that cites a researcher who calls someone a psychopath for being in favour of euthanasia. I mean, I agree that Tyaginator is moron and a crazy (like from Gymkata), but thinking that people should be able to end their own lives isn’t very silly.  Especially since without tips, they’ll probably end up trying and failing numerous times before getting it right. While I agree with Euthanasia as a choice for an individual, I find what Nagasiva did, such as wandering into depression groups, and posting to children with problems that can be solved much easier without suicide, not only posting methods, but telling them they should be killing themselves, to be disgusting. He doesn’t stick to the suicidal, he actively tries to convince other people they should kill themselves.

I don’t really like Nagasiva, so all’s ok.  Just so that suicide is ok if the people actually want it.

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Very simple explanation. In law (in the UK at least), suicide is classed as an unlawful death – i.e. illegal. An institution such as the BBC cannot be seen to not condemn illegal activity.

Whoa!  That’s crazy.  News media is pro-marijuana all the time in Canada. Along with many other illegal activities. Also, from a moral point of view, they also tend to go with the status-quo, which is that the ‘perceived majority’ are supposed to frown upon things like suicide. So it’s a political thing.

I wish I had an angry face. ;_;

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| | Humans aren’t objects.  Their lives are their own, and they can do | whatever they want with it. | | It’s a scary state of affairs when a supposedly reputable news sources | publishes an article that cites a researcher who calls someone a | psychopath for being in favour of euthanasia. | | I mean, I agree that Tyaginator is moron and a crazy (like from | Gymkata), but thinking that people should be able to end their own lives | isn’t very silly.  Especially since without tips, they’ll probably end | up trying and failing numerous times before getting it right. | | | I agree with you almost completely except for these few things: | | Nagasiva Yronwode helped convince a 16 year old boy, a CHILD, to kill himself. | I’m sorry, but that is just sick. I will not mention the sexual part of this | regarding Siva out of respect for the boy. | | I do believe that people should have the right when to end their life, if they | are of sound mind. We do not need psychos like Siva, who are nechrophiliacs, | and get sexually excited by death, encouraging people who are not of sound | mind, and may be mentally unstable. Make you want to jump off a bridge, doesn’t it Angela? — Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft ™ Legalize Freedom  http://home.kc.rr.com/pendragonsloft