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[...]  The rats were fed ASPARTAME.  [...]

This statement, of course, comes from the person who claimed a few months ago that no animal would eat any product containing aspartame. Way to go Betty, every word you speak makes us laugh a little bit more at you mis-information campaign. I will probably be labelled as aa pawn of the NutraSweet company [sic] now.  So do tell us Betty, why do you have a vested interest in this whole thing?  Whether you know it or not, Betty, the Saccharin Company ™ is using you as their tool.  In fact it wouldn’t surprise me if you had a brain tumor from consuming too much saccharin, that would certainly move us a step in the right direction to figuring out why you’re such an annoying snit. -bt

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Are you going to argue over quotes form the Congressional Record as well?

Why not, Betty?  You just did.  I cited the Congressional Record for the fact that Skinner was not involved in the Searle case.  You cited the Wall Street Journal to disagree with it.  Of course, as usual, you got it backwards.  The Wall Street Journal article in which Metzenbaum called for an investigation was earlier.  Metzenbaum GOT his investigation of Skinner when Skinner came up for the position of Secretary of Transportation.  The Congressional Record quote I gave contained the answer they came up with — Skinner was not involved.   Nice try.   Mike

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If you would like I can start typing in some of hte testimony before Congress and let people read just had bad it is!!!  Are you going to argue over quotes form the Congressional Record as well? Betty

 The Congressional Record has absolutely NOTHING to do with what actually goes on in Congress. Any member of congress can write an article that was never discussed on the floor and the CR will print it. It is not a minutes of the congress. It is a propaganda device for use by the members for their own purposes. You know what propaganda is, don’t you Betty ? JayWesoff

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You are not only stupid, you are rude.  This is a NEWSGROUP it should NEVER be used for private encoded messages – If you want to send your tripe to someone, use email or snailmail.

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Dear Mike:  On the Dorway web page are FDA Dr. Adrian Gross’ letters to Senator Metzenbaum.  Here he lists astrocytoma after astrocytoma after astrocytoma.  The rats were fed ASPARTAME.  Then if you want to read Informed Consent on Dorway which has quotes from the Congressional REcord including date and reference you will see where Dr. Gross tells Congress that aspartame violated the Delaney Amendment because it caused brain tumors.   So don’t try to make people think aspartame doesn’t cause cancer, because it caused brain tumors, ovarian tumors, mammary tumors, uterine tumors, etc.  And the secret trade information that became not so secret when it was discussed in Congress is also on Dorway where there is the admission that it breaks down to DKP, a brain tumor agent.   Don’t try to mislead people, Mike.  I told you, you will never win.  I would be ashamed to defend a neurotoxin.  ASPARTAME TRIGGERS CANCER, period — and its a matter of record, the Congressional Record as well! If you would like I can start typing in some of hte testimony before Congress and let people read just had bad it is!!!  Are you going to argue over quotes form the Congressional Record as well? Betty     TYPE:    sendme help        on the Subject Line                           1. Take the 60-day No Aspartame Test and   Mission Possible                send us your case history. 5950-H State Bridge Rd.   2. Tell your doctor and all of your friends!      Suite 215            3. Return Asparcidal food to the store. Anything  Duluth, GA 30155  USA       with Monsanto’s NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful                                   or Benevia or NatraTaste VISIT  http://www.dorway.com/possible.html  Get links to 29 other sites.        http://www.tiac.net/users/mgold/aspartame/  FAQs/Toxicity Reports     Disability and Death are not acceptable costs of business! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That brings us to the point why there is no warning on aspartame that it caused cancer in lab animals???????   Because in order to show that aspartame caused cancer the animals would have had to have been treated with aspartame.  The animals in this study did not receive aspartame.  Then, the incidence of cancer would have to be higher in the treated animals than in the control animals.  The tumors discussed in this audit report only deal with twenty of the 320 animals in the study and don’t show that the incidence of cancer in the treated animals was any higher than in the control animals. Mike

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How do you take a rat and list him as dead and then he reappears as alive!  

Dear Betty, Check your previous posts and emails!  You would do it the same way:         – a question posed by a US Senator turns into a statement of fact from him         – doctor Roberts, born in 1924, graduates from medical school in 1947 at the age of 21         – animals never given aspartame get tumors from it         – animals never given aspartame die from it         – a US Attorney who had nothing to do with the Searle case becomes responsible for it Mike

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That brings us to the point why there is no warning on aspartame that it caused cancer in lab animals???????  

Because in order to show that aspartame caused cancer the animals would have had to have been treated with aspartame.  The animals in this study did not receive aspartame.  Then, the incidence of cancer would have to be higher in the treated animals than in the control animals.  The tumors discussed in this audit report only deal with twenty of the 320 animals in the study and don’t show that the incidence of cancer in the treated animals was any higher than in the control animals. Mike

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There is one way to prove the facts, of course.  Read the Bressler REport!!!  REad about the pituitary adenomas, angiosarcoma, mammary tumors, resurrected rat, lymphoma, polyps – MALIGNANT NEOPLASMS.  Judge for yourself what this study showed.  

OK, Betty, let’s look at the report in more detail now:   Pituitary adenomas were found in five animals: two CONTROLS, two high dose, one low dose.  Angiosarcoma was found in only one animal, in the low dose group.  NONE in the mid or high dose animals.  A mammary tumor was found in only one animal, in the CONTROL group. Lymphoma was found in one high dose animal.  Uterine polyps were found in one additional animal not previously reported.   The word "malignant" does not appear in the report.  Three neoplasms were reported:  TWO in CONTROL animals, one in a high dose animal.   One other falsification of yours needs to be brought to light — this isn’t the Searle study, it’s an FDA audit report on a Searle study.  With that in mind, it’s difficult to evaluate the entire study of three hundred animals based on the auditor’s findings of discrepancies in a couple of dozen, but of a total of twelve tumors actually addressed by the audit report, FIVE were in CONTROL animals.  Of five malignancies, two were clearly in control animals, and one diagnosis (angiosarcoma) was a matter of opinion.  The reviewer said it was "more consistent with" angiosarcoma. At the same time, another tumor (in a control animal) reported by Searle to be carcinoma (malignant) was found by the reviewer to be cystadenoma (nonmalignant.)  So much for your evidence.   As usual, you’ve distorted the facts.  I hope people do read the report rather than taking your histrionics as a summary.   Mike

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Dear Mike:  You’re still at it again.  There are 76 pages full of information on this FDA audit of Searle Studies.  How come you didn’t mention everything.  How do you take a rat and list him as dead and then he reappears as alive!  How about on page 68, "Dr. Frith also considered two other discrepancies to be significant. They were: 1)  The reporting of a mass (be SEarle) as missing which was actually     present (MILF).   2)  The finding of a polyp of the uterus which was not diagnosed by SEarle     (K9MF) The second of the above two discrepancies assumes even more significance in view of hte following: The Histopathologic Summary table (table 11)  in Volume I of the submission to FDA lists the following incidence of Uterine Polyps on page 87:              Incidence of Uterine Polyps     Controls         Low           Medium          High     1 of 69        1 of 34        4 of 34         6 of 33       1%              3%           12%             18% The finding of one additional uterine polyp by Dr. Frith (in animal K9MF) increases the incidence in the mid dose to 5 of 34 (15%).   On page 82 of Volume I of the submission to FDA, is the statement: "other sporadic findings included endometrial hyperplasia, polyp, cyst, congestion and squamous metaplasia."  The term "sporadic findings" was used to characterize the incidence of uterine polyps, in spite of hte fact that SEarle had done a statistical analysis of these findings." And regarding the mamary tumor lets get it form the report: page 70:   "In addition to the discrepancies noted by Dr. Frith, some other errors were noted in the submission to FDA.  A mammary tumor found in rat F27CF was described as a papillary cystadenoma on the individual pathology sheet (page 105), Volume II of the submission to FDA) and as an adenocarcinoma on the summary table 12, page 96, Volume I of the submission to FDA.   Page 92, Volume I of the submission to FDA a summary table) reports that animal J23CM was found dead after 754 days on study, while the individual pathology sheet for htis an imal (page 56, Volume II of the submission to FDA) reportred that the animal was found dead after 620 days on study. The correct figure is 620 days, since J23 CM was placed on the study on 11/17/72 and was found dead onf 7/29/73. In several instances the histopathology technician made notes at the bottom of the gross pathology sheet to indicate that certain organs were not present in the bottle of fixative.  (and were therefore not available for sectioning).  Yet in three of these instances (animals A4CM, K23CF, and J3CM) a diagnosis appears in the submission to FDA." Okay, I typed in some of the report for the people in this newsgroup to see.  The point is there are 76 pages of this stuff.   For your information Mike an angiosarcoma is a malignant neoplasm, and a malignant neoplasm is CANCER. That brings us to the point why there is no warning on aspartame that it caused cancer in lab animals???????  Plus I have typed in before FDA toxicologist Dr. Gross’ statement before Congress that it violated the Delaney Amendment which forbids putting something in food you know will cause cancer, because it caused brain tumors.   Mike, do you know how bad the studies are on aspartame?  They were so bad that pathologists actually agreed not to comment.  Now that is the most outrageous  —- !!!!!  I will quote it from the book ASPARTAME (NUTRASWEET) IS IT SAFE?  This is on page 243 under OTHER SHORTCOMINGS: *  The failure to challenge the manufacturer’s contract with Universities Associated for Research and Education in Pathology (UAREP).  This private group was engaged to determine the fatual accuracy of prior aspartame studies — but with the stipulation that UAREP "SHALL NOT EXPRESS AN OPINION" regarding either the design or safety significance of these studies, nor make recommendations about the safety of aspartame for human use!  Dr. M. Adrian Gross also challenged the credentials of UAREP relative to its ability to assess prior aspartame studies." Now, Mike you tell me something anymore outrageous than this.  The manufacturer contracts with a pathology group to determine the accuracy of And do you wonder why we have asked Attorney General Janet Reno to do a complete investigation.  How do pharmaceutical companies get away with this? Thats how bad these studies were, Mike!!!! And then you send me this private email about there being no reason to prosecute having to do with U.S. Prosecutor Sam Skinner.  Baloney.  I put in this newsgroup before and will be glad to do it again the Wall Street Journal article where even Congress probed Skinner and Conlon who both went to work for the law firm defending the case rather than indict them. If the prosecutor goes to work for the godfather expect an acquittal!!! I’m sending a copy of this post to Attorney General General Reno.  And we will put in the forward to the Bressler Report a couple of pages from this book on the shortcomings listed appropriately in the chapter titled THE MYTH OF THE MOST THOROUGHLY TESTED ADDITIVE IN HISTORY.   And going back to investigations under Short Comings are these remarks: *  The failure of FDA administrators and attorneys to invesetigate animal    studies (particularly seizures in monkeys) before the five year statue    of limitations for prosecution expired – specifically on October 10,    l977 and Dec 8, l977. *  The failure of the FDA to act on a major concern expressed in    correspondence (dated January 10, l977) from Richard A. Merrill, its    own Chief Counsel.  He requested a grand jury investigation of the    manufacturer for its alleged "concealing material facts and making    false statements in reports that the animal studies conducted to    establish the safety of the drug Aldactone and the food additive    Aspartame."  Mr. Merrill prophetically projected       "The FDA must receive the truth, not psychological warfare.       To emphasize the importance of safety data on aspartame, we       note that if ultimately approved for marketing, this sweetening       agent can reasonable be expected to be part of the daily diet       of every American."             Page 243, ASPARTAME (NUTRASWEET) IS IT SAFE?   I told you Mike, just keep on trying to defend NutraSweet (Monsanto) and more and more information will come out.  Eventually they may just tell you not to defend them so much!   This is mass poisoning of the American public and more than 70 countries of the world (in the words of Dr. James Bowen to the FDA) (complete statement on the DORway web site, address below my signature), and will one day be considered one of the greatest scandals in U.S. History.  Case histories pour in daily from all over the world.   I have stacks and stacks of information I can type in on aspartame.  The marketing of a deadly neurotoxin for human consumption is a horror story! More and more operations are starting, warning off consumers in their countries.   The last paragraph in this book says:  "Years later, the following statement made at the initial conference still seems appropriate.        "I think it would be a tragedy if this issue is ignored since        we could be inviting disastrous medical, psychological and        neurological problems.  I hope I’m wrong.  But let’s look at        the problem NOW instead of in five or 10 years when we might        be having a medical plague on our hands." That was written in l990.  Today the plague of ASPARTAME DISEASE is here, and a new book titled ASPARTAME DISEASE; THE IGNORED EPIDEMIC about this plague is soon to be published.  This is the story of a worldwide plague, and it could have been avoided if U.S. Sam Skinner had indicted the original manufacturer instead of going to work for his law defending the case.  This poison never would have been marketed for human consumption and thousands would still be alive today who perished from the symptoms and diseases of this deadly, deadly poison!   You will not win this, Mike Roth, and frankly, I don’t think very much of anyone who would defend a poison that murders babies in their mother’s womb! Betty CC:  Attorney General Janet Reno     TYPE:    sendme help        on the Subject Line                           1. Take the 60-day No Aspartame Test and   Mission Possible                send us your case history. 5950-H State Bridge Rd.   2. Tell your doctor and all of your friends!      Suite 215            3. Return Asparcidal food to the store. Anything  Duluth, GA 30155  USA       with Monsanto’s NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful                                   or Benevia or NatraTaste VISIT  http://www.dorway.com/possible.html  Get links to 29 other sites.        http://www.tiac.net/users/mgold/aspartame/  FAQs/Toxicity Reports     Disability and Death are not acceptable costs of business!

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You know, if I felt this strongly about something, I believe I would have the reprints available to send to anyone who wanted them.  In fact I think I would put some of them on the internet. Right. Bob Wilson

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Mike: Way to go!  Keep up the good responses. Bob Wilson

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Mike Roth with Pioneer Seed (want to genetically engineer our seeds?) and who has been discussed on the gene list, is at it again. He has admitted his close ties to NutraSweet and follows me through the Internet trying to get people not to believe that it is a deadly neurotoxin.  What he now wants to do is try and get people to think that the Bressler Report really doesn’t show malignant neoplasms and all the horrors that NutraSweet causes. There is one way to prove the facts, of course.  Read the Bressler REport!!!  REad about the pituitary adenomas, angiosarcoma, mammary tumors, resurrected rat, lymphoma, polyps – MALIGNANT NEOPLASMS.  Judge for yourself what this study showed.  If anyone disagreees with commentary thats fine too, but read Dr. Jerome Bressler’s report as it was written.   This is the study, incidently, that was discussed on CBN News.  The comment was that it must give Monsanto indigestion and showed ovarian, mammary and uterine tumors for starters.  So I thuoght the whole world should see it.  You see there is no warning on aspartame that it caused brain tumors in laboratory animals or any kind of cancer for that matter. On the other hand, there is a warning that saccharin caused cancer in lab animals.   In the book CALCULATED RISKS, page 161 by Joseph Rodicks it says: "Saccharin is the least potent carcinogen ever detected in an animal study, the dose required to produce a given lifetime incidence of tumors is greater than that of any other known animal carcinogen." WE brought this to the attention of the FDA, that saccharin has a warning but aspartame doesn’t and it was aspartame that triggered so much cancer.  Now there are reports on TV that "maybe saccharin isn’t so bad after all and the warning should be removed."  The FDA would rather remove the warning on saccharin than put a warning on aspartame because of strong loyalty to Monsanto, and because they would have to admit what you will read in the In l985 Dr. Adrian Gross, late FDA Toxicologist, testified in congressional hearings that aspartame violates the Delaney Amendment forbidding cancer causing additives: "In view of all these indications that the cancer causing potential of aspartame is a matter that has been established way beyond any reasonable doubt, one can ask:  What is the reason for the apparent refusal by the FDA to invoke for this food additive the Delaney Amendment to the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act?  Is it not clear beyond any shadow of a doubt that aspartame ahd caused brain tumors or brain cancer in animals, and is this not sufficient to satisfy the provisions of that particular section of the law?  l985b pg l835-40 "…how would the FDA justify its position that it views a certain amount of aspartame (50 mg/kg body-weight) as constituting an ADI (Allowable DAily Intake) or "safe" level of setting a "tolerance" for this food additive and thus a violation of that law?  AND IF THE FDA ITSELF ELECTS TO VIOLATE THE LAW, WHO IS LEFT TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF THE PUBLIC?"  NutraSweet will tell you their tests proved safety, so I think the public has the right to see what they call safe!  I do not believe that in the case of this study all the tumors triggered by aspartame proved safety. Even the FDA had to admit that NutraSweet can kill you as they listed under symptoms (92 in all) DEATH on their report.  Mrs. Bernice Berg from Verona, Pennsylvania recently called to say that her son just died from NutraSweet.  One young lady who was a heavy user of aspartame emailed yesterday that her brain tumor has recurred, post sent to FDA.  And they keep coming in.  Two teenage sisters who were Diet Coke addicts were both operated at Johns Hopkins Hospital for brain tumors.  Kelli Motluck from Olympia Fields, Illinois was diagnosed with an astrocytoma (first stage of the deadly glioblastoma now increased in the population) just like triggered in aspartame by rats.  Its now a deadly glioblastoma.  Her last letter to me a couple of months ago ended with "Betty, I fervently hope I am here at this time next year"… These are real people, suffering the same horrors as triggered in laboratory animals, in the original studies.  FDA toxicologist Dr. Verrett who also testified before Congress discussed how bad these original studies were that approved aspartame. So now we’re putting some of the studies on web so the people can read them for themselves.  As I typed in the study for Dave Rietz to put on web I did explain certain terms as I went along.  I explained that autolysis is the self-dissolution or self-digestion that occurs in tissues or cells by enzymes in the cells themselves, such as occurs after death and in some pathological conditions. And I explained this because it was mentioned that for this reason some of the rats were not studied.  The Bressler Report is 76 pages long, and some may have been in the control group, and some fed aspartame.  His remark about some fed DKP, diketopiperazine, not aspartame should be explained.  Aspartame is a molecule composed of three components:  aspartic acid, phenylalanine and methanol.  Methanol, of course, converts to formaldehyde and formic acid (ant sting poison) and causes metabolic acidosis.  Aspartic acid and phenylalanine are two amino acids that are neurotoxic because they are isolated from the other amino acids in protein and go past the blood brain barrier and deteriorate the neurons of the brain.  DKP is a breakdown product of the phenylalanine. How serious is DKP?  On secret trade information which incidently was discussed during Congressional hearings the original manufacturer said: " we have no way of estimating maximum likely abuse and hence need to utilize data based on almost complete conversion to DKP.  If we include this ..we stand a good chance of ending up with nothing."  What did they mean?  This memo was titled CONFIDENTIAL TRADE SECRET INFORMATION, Food and Drug Sweetener Strategy.  They were trying to figure out how to get it approved and they knew if the FDA knew there was almost complete conversion to a brain tumor agent they wouldn’t get anywhere.  And what did they mean about likely abuse.  There is an ADI or Allowable Daily Intake on aspartame just like on a drug, because it is a drug.  And since in June, l996 Dr. Kessler of the FDA gave blanket approval to aspartame to be used as a general sweetener its abused all the time.  Its estimated to be in 9000 products and climbing.  This is why we are flooded with case histories from all over the world as people are sick and dying much quicker than when it was in a few products on original approval.  Even this trade information mentions there are certain applications it can’t be used for.  It can now – because of the FDA. Dr. H. J. Roberts, diabetic specialist, said in diabetics it keeps the blood sugar out of control, destroys the optic nerve and can cause them to go into convulsions.  Thats why I post in this diabetic newsgroup – diabetics are one of the groups aspartame harms the most.  Another is pregnant women because as Dr. Elsas (pediatric professor at Emory University, genetics) testified before Congress "aspartame is a neurotoxin and teratogen" – triggers birth defects.  So it can destroy the fetus or cause birth defects and mental retardation (the phenylalalnien concentrates in the placenta).  There is a PKU warning on aspartame but you don’t know if the baby is PKU until its born.  If the mother used aspartame its then too late. And this is the deadly drug that Mike Roth defends because as he told me he as good friends in the NutraSweet Company. I’m sure he would like for you not to read the Bressler Report.  Read it and judge for yourself! 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Response:

We recently bought to your attention the RAO study, a pivotal study that approved aspartame.  

<snip So now we have put an entire study, 76 pages, on the DORway web page

At the "Dorway" site, we find a page that has been edited to add a quote from Betty as follows: Animal No               Date Found Dead             Date Autopsied C21CM                      7/3/73                      1/11/74 G16CM                      9/21/73                     1/11/74 G18CM                      8/11/73                     10/4/73 G26CM                      4/2/73                      1/11/74 J2CM                       5/21/73                     1/11/74 J5CM                       10/30/72                    11/8/72 L10CM                      3/29/73                     1/11/74 L15/CM                     9/9/73                      1/11/74 L21CM                      4/13/73                     1/11/74 L11LM                      5/6/73                      1/9/74 A14MM                      5/21/73                     1/9/74 G28MM                      1/5/74                      1/7/74 J25MM                      5/24/73                     5/24/73 A3HN                       6/17/73                     1/9/74 C15HM                      1/7/74                      1/7/74 "Nobody will ever know how the 20 rats on this page died from aspartame, excluded from the study due to excessive autolysis."