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psychosis is a symptom of a disease. schizophrenia is a disease that may contain the symptom of psychosis. psychosis can also be a part of other diseases–mental illnesses such as depression, bipolar disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder–or organic illnesses such as brain cancer, alzheimers, aids–or chemical (drug) use or withdrawal. psychosis can include delusions and or hallucinations. delusions are beliefs that are considered false by most people and yet are still believed by the psychotic person.  for example you my think you are christ but your neighbor would disagree.  or you may think that your mom is poisoning your food but the rest of your family says that’s "crazy" hallucinations are when you perceive things that others around you do not.  for instance you may hear voices that no one else in the room hears.  or you will see, hear, smell, feel or taste things others do not. schizophrenia has specific diagnosis criteria that must be met in order for that diagnosis to be made.  i will not go into them here as i don’t know them by heart and they are not held the same world wide. schizophrenia has symptoms that are divided into two categories–positive symptoms and negative symptoms.  these are not value judgements like positive symptoms are good and negative symptoms are bad–rather positive symptoms mean something is added and negative means something is taken away. positive symptoms include psychosis (delusions and hallucinations), thought disorder,  catatonia and other symptoms. negative symptoms include avolition (not having motivation to do normal everyday things), ahedonia (inability to feel pleasure), poverty of thought and speech (meaning you don’t talk much or think much) and other symptoms. usually to obtain the diagnosis of schizophrenia you need to have both positive and negative symptoms (though not necessarily all of each) and to have symptoms for a significant length of time. there are also different categories of schizophrenia–such as paranoid schizophrenia, catatonic schizophrenia, undifferentiated schizophrenia, and schizo-affective disorder which is a combination of schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. =============================================—————————— ———————————————============================== =============== om tare tutare ture soha

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> > > Yeah… we need a book titled, "Living with Non-Schizophrenics".

 That’s brilliant, a book written for sz’s to help them understand normals.  Question is, is there anybody alive capable of such vision & objectivity? > Probably any schizophrenic who remembers how they were as "normal" would be > capable.  I remembered how I used to be before all this happened, but I’m > afraid my view probably wouldn’t be the kind of view that’s needed to write a > book — not one that covers that topic.

In regards being able to write a book for sz’s on understanding normals. My memories of times previous are so distant & distorted through idealized reconstructions that I doubt the accuracy of my reflections.   I’ve always disliked being around – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> lots of people, even as a kid.  I disliked the sense of family.  I was never > close to any of my family, even my own mother or father.  I was a little > closer to my dad, but that was probably because he wasn’t as fascistic as my > mother was.  In fact, I think my dad wanted to let me do more, but he was > caught between making me happy and making my mom happy.  I think he tried the > best he could, but my mom really wore the pants in the family.  I think > overall my dad’s a good man, but he just doesn’t understand nor agree with my > views about some things, the two main things being spirituality/religion and > cannabis.  My mom is good, too, but when she feels like she’s supposed to be > responsible for somebody, she will go to extremes to make sure things go the > way she wants them go to.  I think she had a problem raising both me and my > sister because she married my dad when he was 20 and she was 15, plus her dad > was extremely strict, I understand.  So if all the shit rolled downhill, I may > be catching some, but some other people were stained along the way. > But to compound my situation, I was adopted and I figure that perhaps that > motherly feeling was never one that I experienced.  It’s just a theory, mind > you, but I figure that a growing fetus is very much a part of the mother as > it’s growing.  When they’re physically separated, if there really is such a > thing as a spiritual bond, it certainly exists between a mother and her infant > child.  Did I have such a funky childhood because of the lack of that bond > with my adoptive mother?  Did the loss of the bonding with my natural mother > actually cause my schizophrenia?  Perhaps it did.  I remember that one of the > things I was wishing for during the climax of my schizophrenia was to be an > illegitimate child, not knowing who my mom or dad was, nor any of my > relatives.  I guess that perhaps my feeling of family was so warped that I > felt I’d be happier with no family at all.  Of course, I can say this about > family.  If I didn’t have a family, who knows what would have happened to me > after I left the state hospital.

My childhood memories contain a vision of a kid,…quiet,sensitive & introverted. You just know that the kid wasn’t gunna survive intact & I didn’t!! You remember how far your mother would go in your supposed best interests, well when I think of my mother certain Pink Floyd lyrics swirl to the surface. Mothers gunna make all your nightmares come true. Mothers gunna put all of her fears into you. Mothers gunna keep you here under her wing. Mother won’t let you fly, but she may let you sink Mothers gunna help build the wall. And the song goes on to tell of how protective she will be when you bring different girls around is she good enough is she dangerous will she tear your little boy apart will she break my heart Mother’s gunna check every thing out, Mother’s gunna wait till you get in, she’s not gunna let anyone dirty near you. SOUNDS like your adoptive mother loves you the same way that a natural mother would. It’s their version of love that leaves us removed, repressed & confused.  The saddest part is that one of the theories I also had during the highs and – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> lows of schizophrenia was that I had been abnormal all my life and finally I > was waking up and learning what others already knew because not until I began > experiencing the symptoms of schizophrenia was I able to feel emotions. It > was like spiritual puberty to me.  I had all these feelings rushing in and I > was trying to figure out what it was about my situation that was making me > feel these weird feelings.  Why did I cry when watching certain movies?  I > wanted more input so I could experience more of these feelings and understand > them better. > I used to think of myself as somewhat Vulcan like, such as Mr. Spock from Star > Trek who is half human and half Vulcan, an species which operates through > logic and not emotion.  Before schizophrenia I rarely showed any emotion > besides laughter.  I tried expressing other feelnings during schizophrenia but > that was short-lived and I’m afraid I’m back to my old self again with one > important difference.  I now say what I think instead of bottling everything > up.  I’m still calm all the time.  I don’t get angry, I don’t get sad or > really happy.  Before I used to tell people what I thought would make them > happy.  It stresses me out to do that now, so what I feel is what I express, > within reason. > Damaeus

Sz is kinda weird ain’t it, I,ve gone through transitions where I,ve felt & experienced so much on so many levels. But eventually, especially with med’s on board you return to a less pronounced flattened state. I can’t decide which is better or worse because their both SHIT!! I just want to be free of all this pain & confusion. Limbo

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leonessa_vi…@my-deja.com wrote: > I have a question.  I was recently diagnosed with bipolar disorder with > psychosis.  I had NO clue as to what psychosis is, so I did some research on > the internet, and it brought me to pages about schizophrenia.  Is psychosis > the same thing as schizophrenia?  If not…what’s the difference?

Schizophrenia is a condition of the mind that lends to hallucinations and delusions (psychosis). You can be schizophrenic and not be psychotic. Psychotic is when you lose touch with reality.  Like, you think everyone is plotting against you or everyone is some sort of alien, or that you are some sort of supreme being or something. It’s very confusing to describe. I don’t know if you have psychotic depression or what.  That’s when you get so depressed you are completely out of it.  I think. Did your shrink actually say you were psychotic?  I think being told you are psychotic can actually make you even more psychotic.  Just, logically.  That’s all you’d need to hear to push you over the edge. So, what’s it like, sometimes delusional, or what? K

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In article <3A6666C5.4A0AE…@Managerie.com.au>, Dingo Dan… <K…@Managerie.com.au> wrote: > Spiritus wrote: > > Yeah that’s true. Even that book "Living with Schizophrenia" really > > should be called "Living with Schizophrenics" > > It’s supposed to be a book for "Us" but most of it is for family or > > whoever about how to live with "us" > I find it disagreeable that the sz him/herself isn’t *educated* more about the > condition. > The focus/emphasis is disproportionately on the families.

Try and find a book that could educate us…. just try…. The emphasis on families is just another example of the dehumanization of "us". The idea seems to be that only the "real" people involved need educating. Not being "real" people, the focus always falls on someone other than "us" > > Definitely need some stuff directly aimed at and for "us". > I think we need to shout a little louder… > They don’t seem to hear our message/request…

One of us needs to write the book, I think it just comes down to that. Outsiders will always view it from their own "outside" view. > > Particularly > > stuff that doesn’t sound like it’s aimed at someone with the > > comprehension of a retarded 7 year old chimpanzee. > Take a care… > Some of my best friends are chimps.

They probably don’t like being talked down too either….. "wanna bannana?" SP

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Limbo wrote: > > Yeah… we need a book titled, "Living with Non-Schizophrenics". > > Damaeus > That’s brilliant, a book written for sz’s to help them understand normals. > Question is, is there anybody alive capable of such vision & objectivity? > Limbo

Yes… [looks down modestly] Dingo Dan…

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I have a question.  I was recently diagnosed with bipolar disorder with psychosis.  I had NO clue as to what psychosis is, so I did some research on the internet, and it brought me to pages about schizophrenia.  Is psychosis the same thing as schizophrenia?  If not…what’s the difference? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

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Agreed… We are psychotic… No point in trying to have a serious conversation with us… No point listening to what we have to say… No point telling us the "facts" …*your* "facts …since we will always laugh at the simplistic explanations we are force fed. (Well I sincerely hope so To the establishment: Fact: Knowledge of our situation will help us to cope better. "The truth will set you free"…so goes the quote. To have an informed opinion, one must first be informed…Duh! Wake up and smell the coffee, you power junkies! [duck]…[squawk]… )) > The idea seems to be that only the "real" people involved need > educating.

I have been an advocate of "education, not manipulation…" for many years… Once again, "The truth will set you free…" I have a friend who is convinced that many of us are used to educate others of the power of remote subliminal manipulation. The idea makes me sick to the stomach… Or not. > Not being "real" people, the focus always falls on someone other than > "us"

We seem to be simply dissmissed…disregarded…discouraged from hunting down the truth (which will set you free…[wink] > > > Definitely need some stuff directly aimed at and for "us". > > I think we need to shout a little louder… > > They don’t seem to hear our message/request… > One of us needs to write the book, I think it just comes down to that.

Some of us have tried here in this news group to talk the real talk… We are often simply then labelled psychotic and ignored… Or punished… The establishment is on a very good thing… They have had centuries to work on their discreditation practices. > Outsiders will always view it from their own "outside" view.

Ignorant people are ignorant people…<shrug> Often you have to experience something before you can profoundly understand it. It "amuses" me when people tell us that we are out of touch…the ones who haven’t seriously researched the subject matter. What worries me is the realisation that so many people don’t think for themselves and simply automatically default the indoctrination/propaganda created by establishment sponsored social architects. It sickens me (or not when people who know what is going on and still let it happen unopposed… > > > Particularly > > > stuff that doesn’t sound like it’s aimed at someone with the > > > comprehension of a retarded 7 year old chimpanzee. > > Take a care… > > Some of my best friends are chimps. > They probably don’t like being talked down too either….. > "wanna bannana?"

Who doesn’t? [greedily snatches banana from keeper] )) Dingo Danana…

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Whoops, this was a mistake, I didn’t want this posted as a reply to that last message.  I’m still new to this deja thing.  SOrry In article <94aeda$8m…@nnrp1.deja.com>,   leonessa_vi…@my-deja.com wrote: > I have a question.  I was recently diagnosed with bipolar disorder with > psychosis.  I had NO clue as to what psychosis is, so I did some research on > the internet, and it brought me to pages about schizophrenia.  Is psychosis > the same thing as schizophrenia?  If not…what’s the difference? > Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com/

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 Many symptoms I have because or indicating schizophrenia have been with me for years like twenty or thirty years. But I have had only one real serious psychosis lasting about six months or less and needed to be hospitalised to end that state of mind. Depressed people have psychosis too I hear that is worse than a sz psychosis although more rare in depressions. leonessa_vi…@my-deja.com wrote: > I have a question.  I was recently diagnosed with bipolar disorder with > psychosis.  I had NO clue as to what psychosis is, so I did some research on > the internet, and it brought me to pages about schizophrenia.  Is psychosis > the same thing as schizophrenia?  If not…what’s the difference? > Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com/

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Hi, My Name is Amy and I am doing a report on schizophrenia.  I was wondering if an adult could e-mail me at MENTO P…@aol.com and give me some information on what it is like living with someone who is schizophrenic.  Or in any case anyone could help my please.   Thanks for your time it is much appreciated. Amy

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I’ve never lived with a schizophrenic unless you stretch that category to include one’s self. Walt Mento P79 <mento…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20010115214127.15741.00000446@ng-bk1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > My Name is Amy and I am doing a report on schizophrenia.  I was wondering if an > adult could e-mail me at MENTO P…@aol.com and give me some information on what > it is like living with someone who is schizophrenic.  Or in any case anyone > could help my please. > Thanks for your time it is much appreciated. > Amy

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On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:08:55 -0500, "walt" <sart…@bellsouth.net> posted a message in news:alt.support.schizophrenia, which said: > I’ve never lived with a schizophrenic unless you stretch that category to > include one’s self.

And besides that, I think we have enough articles floating around on "the horrors of living with a schizophrenic".  I figure that schizophrenics should be free to tell their side of the story and the best way to do that is textually, at least for most schizophrenics.  I know I’m quite bold in writing at times, but people who meet me or talk to me can’t believe they’re talking to the same person who wrote the messages they’ve been reading. Damaeus

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Hi Amy!  I can not tell you what it is like to live with a schizophrenic, but I can tell you what it is like to be one.  I am constantly living in fear.  I feel someone is trying to kill me.  I always am hearing voices and seeing people that aren’t really there.  To me they are real but not to anyone else.  It is very frustrating because I don’t know when I am in the real world or not. I have three little girls that don’t understand why Mommy is crying or why she is hospitalized every year for a couple of weeks each year trying to stabilize Mommy’s medication. They don’t understand why I sleep all the time because of the side effects of the medicine.  It is not an easy life living with this illness that seems no one understands.  I hope I have helped you a little bit.                                                            From Tracy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Meant P79 wrote: > Hi, > My Name is Amy and I am doing a report on schizophrenia.  I was wondering if an > adult could e-mail me at MENTO P…@aol.com and give me some information on what > it is like living with someone who is schizophrenic.  Or in any case anyone > could help my please. > Thanks for your time it is much appreciated. > Amy

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In article <to196t09a5mnl3ap9ak1u1l1s5ro7eh…@4ax.com>, Damaeus – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<tribalzid…@spamarolaids.earthlink.net> wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:08:55 -0500, "walt" <sart…@bellsouth.net> posted a > message in news:alt.support.schizophrenia, which said: > > I’ve never lived with a schizophrenic unless you stretch that category to > > include one’s self. > And besides that, I think we have enough articles floating around on "the > horrors of living with a schizophrenic".  I figure that schizophrenics should > be > free to tell their side of the story and the best way to do that is textually, > at least for most schizophrenics.  I know I’m quite bold in writing at times, > but people who meet me or talk to me can’t believe they’re talking to the same > person who wrote the messages they’ve been reading. > Damaeus

Yeah that’s true. Even that book "Living with Schizophrenia" really should be called "Living with Schizophrenics" It’s supposed to be a book for "Us" but most of it is for family or whoever about how to live with "us" Definitely need some stuff directly aimed at and for "us". Particularly stuff that doesn’t sound like it’s aimed at someone with the comprehension of a retarded 7 year old chimpanzee. sp

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On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 02:30:36 -0800, Spiritus <spiri…@sanctus.org> posted a message in news:alt.support.schizophrenia, which said: > Yeah that’s true. Even that book "Living with Schizophrenia" really > should be called "Living with Schizophrenics" > It’s supposed to be a book for "Us" but most of it is for family or > whoever about how to live with "us" > Definitely need some stuff directly aimed at and for "us". Particularly > stuff that doesn’t sound like it’s aimed at someone with the > comprehension of a retarded 7 year old chimpanzee.

Yeah… we need a book titled, "Living with Non-Schizophrenics". Damaeus

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Spiritus wrote: > Yeah that’s true. Even that book "Living with Schizophrenia" really > should be called "Living with Schizophrenics" > It’s supposed to be a book for "Us" but most of it is for family or > whoever about how to live with "us"

I find it disagreeable that the sz him/herself isn’t *educated* more about the condition. The focus/emphasis is disproportionately on the families. > Definitely need some stuff directly aimed at and for "us".

I think we need to shout a little louder… They don’t seem to hear our message/request… > Particularly > stuff that doesn’t sound like it’s aimed at someone with the > comprehension of a retarded 7 year old chimpanzee.

Take a care… Some of my best friends are chimps. TC… Dingo Dan …a k9 orangoDan…

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"Damaeus" <tribalzid…@spamarolaids.earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:81oc6ts5mf6lrc1cffttdq9s7hdrcopoln@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 02:30:36 -0800, Spiritus <spiri…@sanctus.org> posted a > message in news:alt.support.schizophrenia, which said: > > Yeah that’s true. Even that book "Living with Schizophrenia" really > > should be called "Living with Schizophrenics" > > It’s supposed to be a book for "Us" but most of it is for family or > > whoever about how to live with "us" > > Definitely need some stuff directly aimed at and for "us". Particularly > > stuff that doesn’t sound like it’s aimed at someone with the > > comprehension of a retarded 7 year old chimpanzee. > Yeah… we need a book titled, "Living with Non-Schizophrenics". > Damaeus

That’s brilliant, a book written for sz’s to help them understand normals. Question is, is there anybody alive capable of such vision & objectivity? Limbo

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On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:14:03 +1100, "Limbo" <obmil2…@hotmail.com> posted a message in news:alt.support.schizophrenia, which said: > "Damaeus" <tribalzid…@spamarolaids.earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:81oc6ts5mf6lrc1cffttdq9s7hdrcopoln@4ax.com… > > Yeah… we need a book titled, "Living with Non-Schizophrenics". > That’s brilliant, a book written for sz’s to help them understand normals. > Question is, is there anybody alive capable of such vision & objectivity?

Probably any schizophrenic who remembers how they were as "normal" would be capable.  I remembered how I used to be before all this happened, but I’m afraid my view probably wouldn’t be the kind of view that’s needed to write a book — not one that covers that topic.  I’ve always disliked being around lots of people, even as a kid.  I disliked the sense of family.  I was never close to any of my family, even my own mother or father.  I was a little closer to my dad, but that was probably because he wasn’t as fascistic as my mother was.  In fact, I think my dad wanted to let me do more, but he was caught between making me happy and making my mom happy.  I think he tried the best he could, but my mom really wore the pants in the family.  I think overall my dad’s a good man, but he just doesn’t understand nor agree with my views about some things, the two main things being spirituality/religion and cannabis.  My mom is good, too, but when she feels like she’s supposed to be responsible for somebody, she will go to extremes to make sure things go the way she wants them go to.  I think she had a problem raising both me and my sister because she married my dad when he was 20 and she was 15, plus her dad was extremely strict, I understand.  So if all the shit rolled downhill, I may be catching some, but some other people were stained along the way. But to compound my situation, I was adopted and I figure that perhaps that motherly feeling was never one that I experienced.  It’s just a theory, mind you, but I figure that a growing fetus is very much a part of the mother as it’s growing.  When they’re physically separated, if there really is such a thing as a spiritual bond, it certainly exists between a mother and her infant child.  Did I have such a funky childhood because of the lack of that bond with my adoptive mother?  Did the loss of the bonding with my natural mother actually cause my schizophrenia?  Perhaps it did.  I remember that one of the things I was wishing for during the climax of my schizophrenia was to be an illegitimate child, not knowing who my mom or dad was, nor any of my relatives.  I guess that perhaps my feeling of family was so warped that I felt I’d be happier with no family at all.  Of course, I can say this about family.  If I didn’t have a family, who knows what would have happened to me after I left the state hospital. The saddest part is that one of the theories I also had during the highs and lows of schizophrenia was that I had been abnormal all my life and finally I was waking up and learning what others already knew because not until I began experiencing the symptoms of schizophrenia was I able to feel emotions.  It was like spiritual puberty to me.  I had all these feelings rushing in and I was trying to figure out what it was about my situation that was making me feel these weird feelings.  Why did I cry when watching certain movies?  I wanted more input so I could experience more of these feelings and understand them better. I used to think of myself as somewhat Vulcan like, such as Mr. Spock from Star Trek who is half human and half Vulcan, an species which operates through logic and not emotion.  Before schizophrenia I rarely showed any emotion besides laughter.  I tried expressing other feelnings during schizophrenia but that was short-lived and I’m afraid I’m back to my old self again with one important difference.  I now say what I think instead of bottling everything up.  I’m still calm all the time.  I don’t get angry, I don’t get sad or really happy.  Before I used to tell people what I thought would make them happy.  It stresses me out to do that now, so what I feel is what I express, within reason. Damaeus

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"puff" is slang for a woman’s physiolgical sexual response?

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Hello. I am a young introvert woman who came lately out of a sharp raving puff. I would like to speak to someone who is familiar with those things (a psychologist for example) to surmount this past crisis. Thank you for writing to me. My e-mail is sirius_fl…@hotmail.com

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Sirius Flame wrote: > Hello. > I am a young introvert woman who came lately out of a sharp raving > puff. I would like to speak to someone who is familiar with those > things (a psychologist for example) to surmount this past crisis. > Thank you for writing to me. My e-mail is sirius_fl…@hotmail.com

r u sirius??? <alphacat twitches>

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cute –

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