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I don’t know about regs & rules but we took a Garmin 195 from Dallas Forth Worth in texas to London Gatwick, and then on a ship from Dover to St. Petersburg and Back to Dover and home. It was really cool. On zoom we could actually see our track on the taxiway to the runway and then the great circle route to london. etc. etc. Where will you be flying to?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can I use my (handheld) GPS -receiver in a commercial, airline flight? Are there any restrictions and do they vary from country to an other? In Finland, Finnair prohibits the use of GPS on any flight. And second thing, can I get any possitioning in a plane? My receiver supports speeds up to 1,600 miles. Can the receiver "see" any satellites from the small aircraft windows? Harri Laitinen Finland Do you want to give your PCs cpu something to chew on? Then check out the RC-5 project www.distributed.net

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Same – I took my Garmin GPS12 on a few flights last year – Barbados, Jamaica, Greek Islands and Spain…. Worked perfectly fine when held right near the window – Does seem to generate a lot of interest from the other passengers and cabin crew – On route to Zante I was invited to the cockpit to explain what it was – mad or what!?!? Compare it to the inflight display – speed, altitude etc… The inflight display system appears to round up to the nearest 10mph airspeed and 1000 ft alt. Then I took this data and ran it through GarTrip – very intresting I must say…! But have a look at this chaps page – http://joe.mehaffey.com/gpstravel.htm with regards to the legality. Regards, Barry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know about regs & rules but we took a Garmin 195 from Dallas Forth Worth in texas to London Gatwick, and then on a ship from Dover to St. Petersburg and Back to Dover and home. It was really cool. On zoom we could actually see our track on the taxiway to the runway and then the great circle route to london. etc. etc. Where will you be flying to? Can I use my (handheld) GPS -receiver in a commercial, airline flight? Are there any restrictions and do they vary from country to an other? In Finland, Finnair prohibits the use of GPS on any flight. And second thing, can I get any possitioning in a plane? My receiver supports speeds up to 1,600 miles. Can the receiver "see" any satellites from the small aircraft windows? Harri Laitinen Finland Do you want to give your PCs cpu something to chew on? Then check out the RC-5 project www.distributed.net

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Can I use my (handheld) GPS -receiver in a commercial, airline

flight?<< Check out this page: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -http://joe.mehaffey.com/airgps.htm<<

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As far as regulations, the FAA regulations leaves these electrical devices to the discretion of the pilot. However, no pilot in a 400-seat airplane will start checking every piece of equipment to decide, so the airlines themselves decide to prohibit all electrical devices in general. Otherwise – even cellular phones are not prohibited during flight under the FARs! Yoram.

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Can I use my (handheld) GPS -receiver in a commercial, airline flight? Are there any restrictions and do they vary from country to an other?

In the United States, it is up to the airline. Continental Airlines does not allow passengers to use them. George Patterson, N3162Q.

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I always ask the flight crew, when I’m boarding, if I can use my GPS. They’ve always said yes, but just comply with the "10 minutes after takeoff" or "wait until 10,000 feet" rules, just as personal electronic devices like PC’s or Walkmans. On one 757, the pilot said "I don’t know, let’s look in the Aircraft Handbook", which he immediately took out, looked up in the index, and found the specific page about personal electronic devices, and it called out that personal GPS’s could only be used when the a/c is above 10,000 feet! -jeff-

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Please post the last time you bought a commercial ticket to anywhere. You couldn’t say what size luggage is allowed.

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Can I use my (handheld) GPS -receiver in a commercial, airline flight? In the United States, it is up to the airline. Continental Airlines does not allow passengers to use them. George Patterson, N3162Q. Please post the last time you bought a commercial ticket to anywhere. You couldn’t say what size luggage is allowed.

I don’t know about George, but I just flew commecially yesterday (2/9/2000) form Houston to Monterrey, MX in Continental. I asked permission to use my GPS and they said NO. Will try again on my return trip. Julio Vega PP-ASEL

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Please post the last time you bought a commercial ticket to anywhere.

February 3 – Continental’s morning flight from Birmingham. You couldn’t say what size luggage is allowed.

True enough – I just know that they let me take mine. George Patterson, N3162Q.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can I use my (handheld) GPS -receiver in a commercial, airline flight? In the United States, it is up to the airline. Continental Airlines does not allow passengers to use them. George Patterson, N3162Q. Please post the last time you bought a commercial ticket to anywhere. You couldn’t say what size luggage is allowed. I don’t know about George, but I just flew commecially yesterday (2/9/2000) form Houston to Monterrey, MX in Continental. I asked permission to use my GPS and they said NO. Will try again on my return trip. Julio Vega PP-ASEL

The solution is simple. Don’t ask. The flight attendants don’t even know what it is. They know it is electronic, and they are told to say no to it. Kept in a carry on bag or pocket no one is going to see it. Sorry in advance for the attitude on this one, but the blanket ban on portable electronics is starting to look like the "cell phone brain cancer" bull of not long ago.

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Can I use my (handheld) GPS -receiver in a commercial, airline flight? Are there any restrictions and do they vary from country to an other? In Finland, Finnair prohibits the use of GPS on any flight. And second thing, can I get any possitioning in a plane? My receiver supports speeds up to 1,600 miles. Can the receiver "see" any satellites from the small aircraft windows? Harri Laitinen Finland Do you want to give your PCs cpu something to chew on? Then check out the RC-5 project www.distributed.net

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sorry if i missed it, but does american airlines allow them? I’m flying american in a few weeks and would like to take mine along….. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I feel that 99% of all airline pilots should probably care less if someone in the back is using one… That’s probably correct. Unfortunately, it’s not up to the pilot. The regs say that the operator makes the decision of what’s allowed. In your case, that’s American Airlines management. Judging from postings that are made each time this thread resurfaces, it appears that many airlines allow GPS receivers to be used and a few do not. George Patterson, N3162Q.

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I flew on American from ORD to PHX, and brought it out after takeoff. The stewardess had no clue what it was and when I attatched my external antenna to the window (suction cups), they became concerned. (They thought it was a big deal that I "attatched" something to the aircraft). When they asked what it was, I simply said a "map". (They didn’t know what GPS was) They went to the cockpit to ask, came back and said "oh, if it’s a GPS that’s OK." It was not specifically permitted or denied accoring to the "approved electronics" list. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I feel that 99% of all airline pilots should probably care less if someone in the back is using one… -Dan Before you buy.

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My GPS generates noise on certain vhf COM frequencies (and probably NAV also)… If I were the Captain I would have the passengers keep them turned off during an instrument takeoff or landing phase… Denny – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I flew on American from ORD to PHX, and brought it out after takeoff. The stewardess had no clue what it was and when I attatched my external antenna to the window (suction cups), they became concerned. (They thought it was a big deal that I "attatched" something to the aircraft). When they asked what it was, I simply said a "map". (They didn’t know what GPS was) They went to the cockpit to ask, came back and said "oh, if it’s a GPS that’s OK." It was not specifically permitted or denied accoring to the "approved electronics" list. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I feel that 99% of all airline pilots should probably care less if someone in the back is using one… -Dan Before you buy.

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Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I feel that 99% of all airline pilots should probably care less if someone in the back is using one…

That’s probably correct. Unfortunately, it’s not up to the pilot. The regs say that the operator makes the decision of what’s allowed. In your case, that’s American Airlines management. Judging from postings that are made each time this thread resurfaces, it appears that many airlines allow GPS receivers to be used and a few do not. George Patterson, N3162Q.

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Continental doesn’t have a blanket ban – they publish a list of devices which they prohibit. GPS receivers are on there, as are radio receivers, transmitters, and scanners. To a certain extent, that’s great – you don’t have to ask for permission to use something. If it isn’t on their list, it’s allowed. On the other hand, there are a few things on the list that could be left off, IMO. George Patterson, N3162Q.

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Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I feel that 99% of all airline pilots should probably care less if someone in the back is using one…

And you’d probably be right. I’d prefer it be turned off for takeoff and landing just to preclude even the chance of it screwing something up (unlikely, I’m sure), but I otherwise have no objection to its use in flight. It’s not in our company’s list of prohibited items, so it’s at the PIC’s discretion. (If it were, we couldn’t allow it, even if we wanted to — so if an airline says no, it’s probably not the pilot, but the book.) — Garner R. Miller, CFII/MEI Pilot, US Airways Express, Portland, ME Please don’t e-mail me a copy of your usenet reply.

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